Guild Wars 2

Liewec.2896:

because a nerf to zerkers like power rangers, wars and thieves is exactly what is needed in this condi meta with invisible mesmers and unkillable eles.

yeah, they got your memo guys, just several metas too late.

i guess if i wanna deal damage this patch i’ll log on my burn guard like everyone else…

Condi meta? LMAO? It is a burst meta / cele meta right now and nothing has changed with this sigil nerf…. Everybody isn’t going suddenly go bunker down because 25% dmg was nerfed from 2 sigils.

lol the dps is so high after patch that I didn’t even note this.

Liewec.2896:

because a nerf to zerkers like power rangers, wars and thieves is exactly what is needed in this condi meta with invisible mesmers and unkillable eles.

yeah, they got your memo guys, just several metas too late.

i guess if i wanna deal damage this patch i’ll log on my burn guard like everyone else…

There is no condition meta it’s all burst,cele and bunker even on necro,ele or guard.

Elementalist reached another SSS god level after this nerf.

It’s good nerf but u really need to do something with ele.

philheat.3956:

Elementalist reached another SSS god level after this nerf.

It’s good nerf but u really need to do something with ele.

those who complain about d/d godmode must be the biggest scrubs. i see d/d ele go down in teamfights all the time, ah but maybe that’s because I’m an awful person who queues on TS and focuses targets. sure it’s pretty wild in a 1v1 if the ele is skilled, but ro- ro- rotate into a 2v1 and splat him down.

the nerf is good. these sigils were hitting for far too much.

Great change. can we get the same to geomancy?

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Yup. Mesmer burst nerfed (greatsword mirrorblade 4→3 bounces) + sigils nerf. Welcome to sumo fights again?

Is sigil of blood still the same?

blitzkrieg.2451:

Liewec.2896:

because a nerf to zerkers like power rangers, wars and thieves is exactly what is needed in this condi meta with invisible mesmers and unkillable eles.

yeah, they got your memo guys, just several metas too late.

i guess if i wanna deal damage this patch i’ll log on my burn guard like everyone else…

Condi meta? LMAO? It is a burst meta / cele meta right now and nothing has changed with this sigil nerf…. Everybody isn’t going suddenly go bunker down because 25% dmg was nerfed from 2 sigils.

25%x2=?!

also lmao all you want … if a burn guard sets you up nicely (and they always do when you try to defend a cap) you are GG because burn does insane amount of damage. And guardians stack burning without even having a target on you. They just walk around like huge fireballs …. speaking of passive play, lol.

Based off what I’m seeing, I’m pretty convinced they have a program that rng changes something at random with every patch, but what’s ironic is that the change ends up being better than what’s intended. Give it a few weeks like the bugged mantra change, they’ll rip out any hope you had in them prior, if you had any to begin with.

Countless

sinject.4607:

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The justification is that it was unavoidable damage with no counter-play. If the damage of a profession is too weak with these changes, then buff that profession in a way that there’s still counter-play.

Exedore.6320:

sinject.4607:

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The justification is that it was unavoidable damage with no counter-play. If the damage of a profession is too weak with these changes, then buff that profession in a way that there’s still counter-play.

The thing is that, all the classes which used it in PvP were not OP with it. Now some of their burst is lacking.

“Hey that has no counterplay nerf it!” nobody who used it was op though…

“Nerf it anyway!”

Jasher.6580:

Exedore.6320:

sinject.4607:

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The justification is that it was unavoidable damage with no counter-play. If the damage of a profession is too weak with these changes, then buff that profession in a way that there’s still counter-play.

The thing is that, all the classes which used it in PvP were not OP with it. Now some of their burst is lacking.

“Hey that has no counterplay nerf it!” nobody who used it was op though…

“Nerf it anyway!”

Other point is, damage across the board is too high and this is the #1 best way to globally nerf glass dps as most glass dps uses it and it is passive/not fun AND it doesn’t affect pve builds. More damage coming from the source is great.

However, yes, there are other fish to fry. Why they didn’t touch PU, confounding suggestions or Ele yet is beyond me, but regardless, this still was something that needed to be done for a long time.

sinject.4607:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Have to agree with this, several of those classes recently lost damage modifiers with the trait changes. I don’t mind fire/air taking a hit but anet needs to put their HoT work on hold and start working on a balance patch. I for one won’t be buying an expansion while the current game is in such a sorry state.

Ravenmoon.5318:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Liewec.2896:

because a nerf to zerkers like power rangers, wars and thieves is exactly what is needed in this condi meta with invisible mesmers and unkillable eles.

yeah, they got your memo guys, just several metas too late.

i guess if i wanna deal damage this patch i’ll log on my burn guard like everyone else…

Condi meta? LMAO? It is a burst meta / cele meta right now and nothing has changed with this sigil nerf…. Everybody isn’t going suddenly go bunker down because 25% dmg was nerfed from 2 sigils.

25%x2=?!

also lmao all you want … if a burn guard sets you up nicely (and they always do when you try to defend a cap) you are GG because burn does insane amount of damage. And guardians stack burning without even having a target on you. They just walk around like huge fireballs …. speaking of passive play, lol.

First of all, 25% x2 = 12.5%.
Second of all, what does this calculation have to do with anything?
Also, you’re acting as if fire and air sigils are a massive part of the dps, they account for under 20% (combined dps) of the dps output from the meta zerk classes. 33% x 20% = 6.6%.

Fir/Air sigils and Mirror Blade are actually what makes mesmer GS viable. With both nerfed, its damage has been heavily reduced (by ~25%, i’d say) and it now suffers even more from offering no defense.

Iavra.8510:

Fir/Air sigils and Mirror Blade are actually what makes mesmer GS viable. With both nerfed, its damage has been heavily reduced (by ~25%, i’d say) and it now suffers even more from offering no defense.

Yes – blind spam, as many stealths as a thief, 2 second invuln on a 12 second cd equates to no defense, protection uptime from the first two chaos minor traits and PU (thieves have no prot) equates to no defense.

And what exactly has all that to do with GS as a weapon?

This seems like something that should have gone in the patch notes.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it is huge buffs to eles…?

A lot of Sigils need to be nerfed. Don’t understand why they only changed Air/Fire and left things like Geomancy/Doom/Leeching/Intelligence untouched…

ronpierce.2760:

Jasher.6580:

Exedore.6320:

sinject.4607:

it’s a nerf to power-based builds/professions that never needed to happen. people are quick to applaud this as they see it as a nerf to mesmer but it affects guardian, thief, ranger, and engineer in ways that are completely unnecessary.

if you can honestly say there is any justification in nerfing any of those profession’s damage output you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The justification is that it was unavoidable damage with no counter-play. If the damage of a profession is too weak with these changes, then buff that profession in a way that there’s still counter-play.

The thing is that, all the classes which used it in PvP were not OP with it. Now some of their burst is lacking.

“Hey that has no counterplay nerf it!” nobody who used it was op though…

“Nerf it anyway!”

Other point is, damage across the board is too high and this is the #1 best way to globally nerf glass dps as most glass dps uses it and it is passive/not fun AND it doesn’t affect pve builds. More damage coming from the source is great.

However, yes, there are other fish to fry. Why they didn’t touch PU, confounding suggestions or Ele yet is beyond me, but regardless, this still was something that needed to be done for a long time.

its fine to nerf damage across all classes, but dont single out Mesmer’s burst (mirror blade) in addition to the stealth nerf to the fire and air sigils. D/D Ele needs a big nerf.

Cynz.9437:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it is huge buffs to eles…?

Because Eles are obviously carried by fire and air sigils instead of their huge sustains and mobility?
Or Fire and Air sigils some how do best against Eles?

I’m not seeing the relation….

All I can say to this topic is
“Good riddance. Now fix Ele.”

Those two sigils were the undisputed best DPS option for burst and sustained damage, and offered zero counterplay as it wasn’t based on out-going would-be crits but only successful ones. With power-heavy builds, these two combined could hit for 4-5k easily. Really dumb to take an auto for 7k out of nowhere. This is coming from someone who plays a crit build. Simply, the sigils are/were dumb.

Now if only they’d revert the change that prevented fire/air from working together, or bumped the cooldown up again to 10s/6s.

Saiyan.1704:

Cynz.9437:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it is huge buffs to eles…?

Because Eles are obviously carried by fire and air sigils instead of their huge sustains and mobility?
Or Fire and Air sigils some how do best against Eles?

I’m not seeing the relation….

Eles don’t use them, so they are unaffected by the nerf. The nerf means less pressure on them, so it’s even harder to kill them than before.

It’s not a direct buff, but an indirect one.

Saiyan.1704:

Cynz.9437:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

sinject.4607:

anet can’t do anything right anymore its seems, it’s laughable at this point how incompetent they’ve been lately

What on earth is wrong with this change?

it is huge buffs to eles…?

Because Eles are obviously carried by fire and air sigils instead of their huge sustains and mobility?
Or Fire and Air sigils some how do best against Eles?

I’m not seeing the relation….

oh hi Saiyan
If I were to guess, she meant that it’s a buff to eles because the damage reduction would make them harder to take down. I think that’s what she meant but I’m not sure, I suck at understanding women.