Guild Wars 2

I’ve been playing Ele for a long time now; I started a bit after they became garbage and I remember how difficult it was to play in PvP at times. I always had to focus on survival, because NOT going 30 into Water and 30 into Arcana meant death. Even now, Elementalists have to trait almost entirely into defense and sustain and the only reason we can deal damage is because we can stack Might. Back then, playing Elementalist was rough for someone who was inexperienced(me), but now they made Burning Speed a non-suicide move(as in, you wont die by charging into an attack), reverted a few harsh nerfs(mostly Cleansing Water and SoR), and gave us a new amulet and boom, we’re now a faceroll class?

It’s not that I’m really bothered by it, I’m just curious why faceroll is synonymous with powerful(Or overpowered if you want to use that). Something that is faceroll is powerful, but something powerful is not necessarily faceroll.
In many others games, something that is overpowered isn’t necessarily easy to use and I still see that in GW2. I see tons of Elementalists in all game modes just eat through all their attunements and immediately get destroyed or many of them don’t even know how to stack Might properly, or they don’t help out a team mate with low health even though they could have.
I’ve crushed many D/D Elementalists on my Staff build 1v1. Yea, it was unranked, but that’s kinda the point. If it’s so faceroll, you’d think I would have a tough time against them with a weapon set that has so much trouble in 1v1, yet I usually finish those fights at full health!
Then there are the D/D Elementalists that are just really kitten good and I get annihilated regardless of what I’m using.

I see the same thing happen to Engineers and Necromancers. Actually, Thieves get the worst of it, I think. I’ve played all these classes and I think they have some small intricacies that make them more complex that we’d like to give them credit for. Of course, there’s the brain dead moments where a Thief spams Heartseeker or an Ele goes through his routine without any variation or a Necro just drops all 5 Marks without a second thought, but overall, I don’t think there are that many faceroll classes in this game. The closest one, imo, is Warrior. I only played it for a bit, but it’s a really forgiving profession and that’s okay since every game needs something that isn’t AS demanding in every game mode.

What do you guys think? Are any classes in this game really that faceroll? They all require SOME knowledge to be used to their full potential. Faceroll builds, maybe, but not the whole profession.
I just want to end my little rant by saying that I don’t want to start a flame war or anything against any class(not even Warrior), I just wanna know what everyone else thinks of the term “faceroll” and if people are actually using it correctly or if they’re just mad.

tl;dr The top professions are not truly faceroll, just powerful in the current meta. Don’t start a flame war.

Happy New year!
I think that by Faceroll (and I kinda agree with that) is that a beginner can start an ele, learn the rotations through element (air, fire, water, earth) trait with the meta build with no idea how the class mechanic works or the small details that are supposed to make a difference and still have the ability to kill players.
They aren’t good as a player or team player but because the rotation itself is simple and the meta build is very forgiving to mistakes, it makes the whole class rather easy to get the grasp of and make yourself look good
They can’t adapt to different scenario, they can’t do a proper team play or support others they can’t decide when is the proper time to do the might rotation or which skills to use on different scenario, they probably still try to land churning earth… Yet the sustain given gives them room for such mistake while the easy might stack still provides them with decent damage.
In short gives them a Cele amu, the rotation to stack might and most players will be good to go and able to win fight. That’s what they means by a Faceroll class

Elementalists used to have to choose damage or survivability, and in turn had to work extra hard to cover their bases in what they lacked. For example, cleric elementalists did hardly any damage (and since rune of strength/hoelbrak and sigil of doom/battle/strength didn’t exist they couldn’t just maintain 25 stacks of might to make up for that), but berserker elementalist had little to no survivability.

Even celestial elementalists back then couldn’t do what they can do now because of the lack of might (and the slightly lower stats), so they played more of a support role than anything.

Now you have celestial might stacking elementalists capable of doing it all themselves without having to work very hard to accomplish it. Instead of having to carefully plan a burst and watch your enemy’s skills like before, you can just cycle through your skills with a low-risk high-reward playstyle.

The reason elementalist is faceroll now is because they can have high damage and high survivability without having to think about it or choose one or the other.

Warrior is a faceroll class ? Are you kittening kidding me ? After all our nerfs while others have been getting buffs We are a faceroll class ? what specific warr faceroller build are you even talking about ? The build im using needs Timing,anticipating and proper use of adren filling/bursting,evading,condi cleansing etc etc…Honestly what in the kitten are you talking about when you call warrior a “Faceroll” class ?

Caedmon.6798:

Warrior is a faceroll class ? Are you kittening kidding me ? After all our nerfs while others have been getting buffs We are a faceroll class ? what specific warr faceroller build are you even talking about ? The build im using needs Timing,anticipating and proper use of adren filling/bursting,evading,condi cleansing etc etc…Honestly what in the kitten are you talking about when you call warrior a “Faceroll” class ?

No offense, but the nerfs to Warrior aren’t that big. Compare them to the nerfs Elementalists received a long time ago, or hell Necromancers. They left Eles virtually useless in pvp, Necromancers got nerfs across the board with little to make up for it and even though they received a few nerfs lately(small ones at that), Warriors are still top contenders and it still remains a very forgiving profession.
Don’t get me wrong, that doesn’t mean that Warriors don’t have specs that take some skill, but the passives pick up a LOT of slack.

I think when everyone says op its because of the elite players. Of course your gonna beat people who are just kind of going threw the motions. I also use a staff ele and i know in about 10 sec if the opossing d/d ele is good. Also i lose to 90% of the time to good d/d eles. The problem for many is d/d is alot better then staff and scepter and focus so to be competitive there is truly only 1-2 builds that can be effective in a solo que.

Also your warrior comment i completely disagree, they have better survivability but there suppose to without invisibility and 2nd regen skills like guardian. To me the only op class engineer, when you got the best players against one another the only class you starting seeing multiples of are engineers. The nerfing of these other classes came because the newer players were getting thrashed and no matter what anet does that will happen unless they go turrent engineer which anyone can use but i dont think the class should get nerfed.

most range classes are faceroll. A ‘new’ warrior will get rolled very easily nowadays with the current balance. A complete newbie can log in on a ranger, use nothing by pbs and RF with an occasion hide shot, and get wins very easily, assuming they stay at 1200+ range.

Thats why you see many of the ‘elite’ warriors using bow + whatever. Range is king in this game now. But the bow isnt exactly newbie friendly on the warrior..

Malchior.5732:

Caedmon.6798:

Warrior is a faceroll class ? Are you kittening kidding me ? After all our nerfs while others have been getting buffs We are a faceroll class ? what specific warr faceroller build are you even talking about ? The build im using needs Timing,anticipating and proper use of adren filling/bursting,evading,condi cleansing etc etc…Honestly what in the kitten are you talking about when you call warrior a “Faceroll” class ?

No offense, but the nerfs to Warrior aren’t that big. Compare them to the nerfs Elementalists received a long time ago, or hell Necromancers. They left Eles virtually useless in pvp, Necromancers got nerfs across the board with little to make up for it and even though they received a few nerfs lately(small ones at that), Warriors are still top contenders and it still remains a very forgiving profession.
Don’t get me wrong, that doesn’t mean that Warriors don’t have specs that take some skill, but the passives pick up a LOT of slack.

The nerfs aren’t that big ? Just wow… With the recent adren nerfs we had lots of properly working builds evolving around adren that have been completely wrecked.We’re a class with multiple traits relying on adren,that don’t work as good as they used to do,building up is too slow,the adren out of combat loss happens far to fast,and the adren loss on miss is a pain aswell ( random blinds/blocks happens all the time) when building up is already slow.

Cleansing isn’t nearly as good as it used to be due to these changes,and the best cleansing weap is a bow atm… These changes only made them being pushed in the same direction,running the same traitlines and even more people picking up bow.Warrior is anything but a forgiving class.. again depending on the build you’re talking about,which you still havn’t said.If you want to talk about a faceroll class you should have put med guard up there just for the kitten of making sense.

Caedmon.6798:

Malchior.5732:

Caedmon.6798:

Warrior is a faceroll class ? Are you kittening kidding me ? After all our nerfs while others have been getting buffs We are a faceroll class ? what specific warr faceroller build are you even talking about ? The build im using needs Timing,anticipating and proper use of adren filling/bursting,evading,condi cleansing etc etc…Honestly what in the kitten are you talking about when you call warrior a “Faceroll” class ?

No offense, but the nerfs to Warrior aren’t that big. Compare them to the nerfs Elementalists received a long time ago, or hell Necromancers. They left Eles virtually useless in pvp, Necromancers got nerfs across the board with little to make up for it and even though they received a few nerfs lately(small ones at that), Warriors are still top contenders and it still remains a very forgiving profession.
Don’t get me wrong, that doesn’t mean that Warriors don’t have specs that take some skill, but the passives pick up a LOT of slack.

The nerfs aren’t that big ? Just wow… With the recent adren nerfs we had lots of properly working builds evolving around adren that have been completely wrecked.We’re a class with multiple traits relying on adren,that don’t work as good as they used to do,building up is too slow,the adren out of combat loss happens far to fast,and the adren loss on miss is a pain aswell ( random blinds/blocks happens all the time) when building up is already slow.

Cleansing isn’t nearly as good as it used to be due to these changes,and the best cleansing weap is a bow atm… These changes only made them being pushed in the same direction,running the same traitlines and even more people picking up bow.Warrior is anything but a forgiving class.. again depending on the build you’re talking about,which you still havn’t said.If you want to talk about a faceroll class you should have put med guard up there just for the kitten of making sense.

They’re really not. Consider how Warriors went from being at the top to still being at the top even after the nerfs. Did they kill off a few builds? Sure, but it’s not like the Warrior is lacking in viable builds even now and Warrior IS a very forgiving class. Think about it, you have constant healing from two sources: Healing Signet and Adrenaline.
At the very least, Elementalists need to be attacking to keep up their Signet heals, but not the Warrior, he can be mauling me with multiple CCs and continue healing or he could be mauled by CC and still be healing and although the Stances aren’t the “meta” now, they allow the Warrior to just eat attacks that they shouldn’t be while keeping their own pressure up.
Fact is, Warrior has high health, heavy armor, a lot of passive healing and they still have a good amount of cleansing. Any newbie can pick up a Warrior, go with the classic HamBow and do okay. There just isn’t a lot of drawback to the Warrior builds.
You feel forced to using Longbow? Elementalists feel forced to play D/D with 6 Water/6 Arcana, Necros use Staff in almost every build, etc.

Anet did the right thing with those nerfs. The Warrior needed to be brought down a little bit and they’re still at the top!
Now, before you respond, I want you to know that I never said Warrior was faceroll, I said it was the closest thing to it. I just personally think that most of the other professions require a bit more finesse while a Warrior can screw up several times and still have a chance.