Guild Wars 2

Grass said Lawnmower is OP, needs a nerf.
Lawnmower said grass draws energy from the sun, while Lawnmower has a limited supply of fuel, so balanced.
Lawnmower also pointed out tall grass has strong CC effect against Lawnmowers, particularly lower powered ones.

Both agree burning is still broken and that guard and eles are uber OP because fire cleanses all, and they have bad/no access to cleansing. Also poison worst DoT vs grass, but lawnmower passive immunity not fair.

Balance discussion game of life. D:

moral of the story is…..buy a better lawnmower/ L2Mow

Laws are very important. Their existence helps maintain order within society. I highly suggest not mowing them.

If you have the right quality mower and very resilient grass, then burning suddenly isn’t strong at all.

But hey, the majority of people are running cheap crappy overheating mowers and their grass is dry as heck and catches on fire easily… of course they’ll both agree that burns are an issue.

/thread

Saiyan.1704:

If you have the right quality mower and very resilient grass, then burning suddenly isn’t strong at all.

But hey, the majority of people are running cheap crappy overheating mowers and their grass is dry as heck and catches on fire easily… of course they’ll both agree that burns are an issue.

/thread

Actually the moral here is that the sun is OP, because it’s most likely the sun causing the grass to be dry and would have an impact on the lawnmower overheating.

Also,

If you have the right quality mower

omg p2w

Rocks are a hard counter against lawnmowers.

Liam McColgan.7689:

moral of the story is…..buy a better lawnmower/ L2Mow

There is a very very bad and slightly racist joke brewing here.

Grass and Sun need a buff, Lawnmower needs a nerf. Lawnmower can be instantly powered by adding fuel. Grass is dependent on photosynthesis for fuel, which is much slower than refueling a Lawnmower.

Sun must be buffed to deliver more power to Grass, who in turn must be buffed to accept the increased energy.

If ANet does not do this, they are clearly protecting Lawnmowers. -Sid

I agree with the L2Mow consensus.

DaShi.1368:

Rocks are a hard counter against lawnmowers.

Pretty sure rocks beat grass as well since they can just crush the grass but grass can’t do anything about it.

Belial.9350:

DaShi.1368:

Rocks are a hard counter against lawnmowers.

Pretty sure rocks beat grass as well since they can just crush the grass but grass can’t do anything about it.

Left to grow grass consumes rock- think entangle. However, this buffs rock in teamplay vs lawnmower as it grants free stealth access.

I’m surprised waterhose hasn’t been brought into the circle. It makes grass regen faster which gives them good CC against lawnmowers and, negates burning from all sources.

For final answers please watch Anets new show “Gardening with Jennifer Hale” also known as “Law(n)s of Tyria”

Guys, you do know that trees is the new elite specialization for grass, right? And paper is the elite skill for treats, and we have recently discovered that paper always beats rock so grass with trees equals an op set up. It needs to be nerfed.

Morfedel.4165:

Guys, you do know that trees is the new elite specialization for grass, right? And paper is the elite skill for treats, and we have recently discovered that paper always beats rock so grass with trees equals an op set up. It needs to be nerfed.

yes but the lawnmower’s elite specialization is chainsaw which always beats tree.

They aren’t quite as popular, but a good tsunami will wipe everything in your yard. Something to consider.

This thread. Is amazing.

ronpierce.2760:

They aren’t quite as popular, but a good tsunami will wipe everything in your yard. Something to consider.

Yeah, but it it’s too unreliable. It would be extremely rare for that to be actually useful.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Left to grow grass consumes rock- think entangle. However, this buffs rock in teamplay vs lawnmower as it grants free stealth access.

1 rock + 4 grass ESL god comp.

Crinn.7864:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Left to grow grass consumes rock- think entangle. However, this buffs rock in teamplay vs lawnmower as it grants free stealth access.

1 rock + 4 grass ESL god comp.

Wouldn’t a mobile +1-rock, a bunker lawnmower, signet tsunami and two cele grasses be better?

Starfall.6425:

Crinn.7864:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Left to grow grass consumes rock- think entangle. However, this buffs rock in teamplay vs lawnmower as it grants free stealth access.

1 rock + 4 grass ESL god comp.

Wouldn’t a mobile +1-rock, a bunker lawnmower, signet tsunami and two cele grasses be better?

Rocks have terrible mobility and are too easy to rotate around them. It’s better to use rocks as a bunker in teamfights. Lawnmowers are much better for mobility. However since grass can grow anywhere it’s usually better to take another grass rather than a mower for the decap and +1 spot.

kitten it.. well.. atleast now I know why I’m no ESL gamer. Are rocks really better at bunker than mobility? It never appeared to me as obvious.

Well I’ll take those tipps to heart and try to improve my tree-toon when HoT realeses… hope he will be meta.

Now about those lawnmowers than can mow while in stealth….

I just wish shears were a bit better. I feel like they only have one purpose, to keep bushes in check… Beyond that, they’re practically outclassed in every way by the lawnmower, basically low reward for the effort required to use them.

They’re easy to be mobile and counter one thing and somehow that keeps them a spot in the toolbox, but any slight change to the mower or weedwhacker would push shears right out of the box and you’d probably never see them again. Which makes me sad because shears were my first tool…. :/

Anyone else get this feeling?

ronpierce.2760:

I just wish shears were a bit better. I feel like they only have one purpose, to keep bushes in check… Beyond that, they’re practically outclassed in every way by the lawnmower, basically low reward for the effort required to use them.

They’re easy to be mobile and counter one thing and somehow that keeps them a spot in the toolbox, but any slight change to the mower or weedwhacker would push shears right out of the box and you’d probably never see them again. Which makes me sad because shears were my first tool…. :/

Anyone else get this feeling?

pfft, shears don’t belong in the toolbox anyways because hedge trimmers are superior. Of course both hedge trimmers and shears are both worthless if the bush is running a bunker build with the Thick Branches traitline.

Crinn.7864:

ronpierce.2760:

I just wish shears were a bit better. I feel like they only have one purpose, to keep bushes in check… Beyond that, they’re practically outclassed in every way by the lawnmower, basically low reward for the effort required to use them.

They’re easy to be mobile and counter one thing and somehow that keeps them a spot in the toolbox, but any slight change to the mower or weedwhacker would push shears right out of the box and you’d probably never see them again. Which makes me sad because shears were my first tool…. :/

Anyone else get this feeling?

pfft, shears don’t belong in the toolbox anyways because hedge trimmers are superior. Of course both hedge trimmers and shears are both worthless if the bush is running a bunker build with the Thick Branches traitline.

Whatever. I don’t particularly enjoy being talked down to elitist landscapers, this is why interior designers never mess with the landscape scene. Well whatever. I’ll just wait until The next tool innovation pass, and if the tool shed doesn’t see some significant changes, I’ll probably just let the weeds overrun and stick to decorating my house, or just move entirely.

ronpierce.2760:

Crinn.7864:

ronpierce.2760:

I just wish shears were a bit better. I feel like they only have one purpose, to keep bushes in check… Beyond that, they’re practically outclassed in every way by the lawnmower, basically low reward for the effort required to use them.

They’re easy to be mobile and counter one thing and somehow that keeps them a spot in the toolbox, but any slight change to the mower or weedwhacker would push shears right out of the box and you’d probably never see them again. Which makes me sad because shears were my first tool…. :/

Anyone else get this feeling?

pfft, shears don’t belong in the toolbox anyways because hedge trimmers are superior. Of course both hedge trimmers and shears are both worthless if the bush is running a bunker build with the Thick Branches traitline.

Whatever. I don’t particularly enjoy being talked down to elitist landscapers, this is why interior designers never mess with the landscape scene. Well whatever. I’ll just wait until The next tool innovation pass, and if the tool shed doesn’t see some significant changes, I’ll probably just let the weeds overrun and stick to decorating my house, or just move entirely.

Wow, Ron, as was to be expected you’ve offered some piercing insights into game balance that other forumgoers have been unable to capture and articulate.

However I would like to draw attention to the effects of salt as seen by much of the QQ posts that’ve hit these discussions. Traditionally salt has had a huge impact on grass, and as such grass has taken a lot of damage over its existence. Grass simply cannot live with the ongoing effects of salt corroding its viability on earth. If the QQ over grass doesnt stop, I’m afraid salt will be wiped entirely out of the game.

Though tears aren’t an actual mechanic within the game, they’ve always had a profound impact on dev balance decisions :(

uhohhotdog.3598:

Now about those lawnmowers than can mow while in stealth….

The fact that you said this leads me to believe you’ve never played lawnmower. Your forum history says so too. Classic argument on lawnmower being op without anybody actually putting in the time to play it. Ya, let’s just nerf lawnmover again and again like we always do. I mean, it already makes A TON of sound even while in stealth, but let’s just ignore that I guess.

Lawnmower’s hardcounter grass, but fire both burns grass and ignites Lawnmower’s fuel so it goes boom. The problem is that there is too much oxygen in the atmosphere. For most of earth’s history, spontaneous wild fires did not occur. However, only in the last 600 million years of earths 4.5 billion year history, the oxygen levels went up to the point where forest fires became common. I think the moral of the lesson is they should decrease the amount of atmospheric oxygen and insure the grass and lawnmowers all have adequate fire extinguishers. That, and guns. Lawnmowers would be much happier if they all had rifles and MH pistols.

Xstein.2187:

Lawnmower’s hardcounter grass, but fire both burns grass and ignites Lawnmower’s fuel so it goes boom. The problem is that there is too much oxygen in the atmosphere. For most of earth’s history, spontaneous wild fires did not occur. However, only in the last 600 million years of earths 4.5 billion year history, the oxygen levels went up to the point where forest fires became common. I think the moral of the lesson is they should decrease the amount of atmospheric oxygen and insure the grass and lawnmowers all have adequate fire extinguishers. That, and guns. Lawnmowers would be much happier if they all had rifles and MH pistols.

Trees produce oxygen and oxygen is responsible for the burning. This is classic counterplay and if you don’t think so you need to get more experience before you come back here. Decreasing the oxygen wouldn’t solve any of the real problems between grass and lawnmowers.

Why are you mowing the lawn in the middle of october? It shouldn’t be growing too quickly anymore.

Maybe in another meta but not right now.

kolompi.1287:

Why are you mowing the lawn in the middle of october? It shouldn’t be growing too quickly anymore.

Maybe in another meta but not right now.

I agree, Grass was much more of an issue last season. This season they seem fine, but I’m sure this thread will get grass nerfed ever further next season. Typical.

kolompi.1287:

Why are you mowing the lawn in the middle of october? It shouldn’t be growing too quickly anymore.

Maybe in another meta but not right now.

This is exactly the sort of thing I’d expect from the NA and EU playerbase.

Now that the Oceanic and SEA hemispheres are able to represent without prejudice you better expect to see more grass based strategies that you’ll not expect, or be prepared for.

GSiege.3076:

uhohhotdog.3598:

Now about those lawnmowers than can mow while in stealth….

The fact that you said this leads me to believe you’ve never played lawnmower. Your forum history says so too. Classic argument on lawnmower being op without anybody actually putting in the time to play it. Ya, let’s just nerf lawnmover again and again like we always do. I mean, it already makes A TON of sound even while in stealth, but let’s just ignore that I guess.

My forum history says very little about what I play. Lawnmower or not.