Guild Wars 2

So last night a guildie and I jumped in Aspect Gaming’s (tyvmbtw) 2v2 weekly tourney. Granted he told me about it 5 minutes before it started and we just jumped in with whatever builds we were rolling.

Shoutbow Warrior
Medi Guard GS variant (me)

We both rolled Zerkers…

And we got rolled. In fact the winners of the whole thing were Cele users.

After experiencing this, I just feel like Cele is too noob friendly. It’s too much of a safety net. Running Zerkers you actually feel pressure when getting burst down, and have to quickly adjust from offense to defense to heal up. But if you have two cele builds I feel like:

A. The healing received or given is too great
B. The Toughness is too great
C. The condition boost is too great.

Honestly the whole Amulet is pure cheese and I really noticed this in a 2v2 environment where the ONLY objective was to kill and stomp 2 other players. You may not notice it during 5v5’s but it becomes very annoying in that situation.

I’m also not denying the winners the fact they were skillful or stating that we should have won, I just think that Amulet is OP and should be banned from competitive play.

Its the way Anet intended it to be eSport – everyone running the same builds on the same amulet. Then all that matter is player skill and tactics. Keep in mind that celestial was added to pvp by Anet.

Dawdler.8521:

Its the way Anet intended it to be eSport – everyone running the same builds on the same amulet. Then all that matter is player skill and tactics. Keep in mind that celestial was added to pvp by Anet.

Then remove all other amulets?

First, roll the celestial ammy yourself and they will kill you just as fast. Second, I alsowatch the tourney and I dare say zerker thief-mes duo has some success against celestial ammy. Third, celestial shines when the fight is held longer and zerker works best when you can burst opponents fast. As a matter of kill and stomp then wouldn’t it be in the zerker’s favor? Finally, I am sorry to say but it’s a player’s skill issue when it comes to winning or losing a brawl.

P.S. You can roll a turret engi with Sentinel ammy if Cele is too hard to handle.

Iris Ng.9845:

First, roll the celestial ammy yourself and they will kill you just as fast. Second, I alsowatch the tourney and I dare say zerker thief-mes duo has some success against celestial ammy. Third, celestial shines when the fight is held longer and zerker works best when you can burst opponents fast. As a matter of kill and stomp then wouldn’t it be in the zerker’s favor? Finally, I am sorry to say but it’s a player’s skill issue when it comes to winning or losing a brawl.

::yawn:::
cele engi main, put on the shelf because it’s cheese. Skill? True skill would be no amulets used and then brawl. Cele shines is ALL scenarios and there’s no risk vs. high reward. Sure you lose a bit of power and dmg output, but current meta is all about sustain and condi pressure. Again, letting AI and RNG determine dmg output.
So you sit back, survive longer, heal better, and let your conditions do the work for you.

Nathaniel.4905:

Iris Ng.9845:

First, roll the celestial ammy yourself and they will kill you just as fast. Second, I alsowatch the tourney and I dare say zerker thief-mes duo has some success against celestial ammy. Third, celestial shines when the fight is held longer and zerker works best when you can burst opponents fast. As a matter of kill and stomp then wouldn’t it be in the zerker’s favor? Finally, I am sorry to say but it’s a player’s skill issue when it comes to winning or losing a brawl.

::yawn:::
cele engi main, put on the shelf because it’s cheese. Skill? True skill would be no amulets used and then brawl. Cele shines is ALL scenarios and there’s no risk vs. high reward. Sure you lose a bit of power and dmg output, but current meta is all about sustain and condi pressure. Again, letting AI and RNG determine dmg output.
So you sit back, survive longer, heal better, and let your conditions do the work for you.

Considering the big picture, meta build means :biggest output=smallest input.

We all know the three classes currently dominating the zerker meta : thief -mesmer and med guardian. This means that three builds/classes will give the best results for the least amount of efforts from the player

Out of all 3, med guardian is the one with the “best” biggest output=smallest input relation.

In a 2vs2 scenario against a med guardian if you try to run a zerker spec that is not thief ,mesmer or another med guardian..will result in a net defeat most times than not.

And this because of the huge sustain of med guardian respect to all other zerk specs in the game

“because of the huge sustain of med guardian”

wut??

My med guard is WAY glassy compared to my cele engi…

Nathaniel.4905:

“because of the huge sustain of med guardian”

wut??

My med guard is WAY glassy compared to my cele engi…

“because of the huge sustain of med guardian respect to all other zerk specs in the game”

This is the whole sentence

Well, first of all, celestial being noob friendly is not an argument. Ranger, warrior and guardian are also noob friendly, and some builds are meant to be more difficult than others, that’s the deal. I like to play zerker builds, and I know that sometimes, my opponents will have to put in less effort to win. If you don’t feel you’re good enough to play zerker, play celestial or condi, it’s as simple as that.

Secondly, I’m not sure the berserker amulet is the best choice in a 2v2 situation. Unless you’re a thief/mesmer team with an amazing opening burst, you’ll loose because your survivability is not good in long fights. Berzerker builds shine in conquest, where you can take your opponents by surprise and burst them down, in 1v1, because your target will be forced to use his own defensive abilities instead of being healed by his team mate, or in WvW, because you can kill people in 0.5s there. Bring the right builds at the right fights.

Supreme.3164:

We all know the three classes currently dominating the zerker meta : thief -mesmer and med guardian. This means that three builds/classes will give the best results for the least amount of efforts from the player

Out of all 3, med guardian is the one with the “best” biggest output=smallest input relation.

In a 2vs2 scenario against a med guardian if you try to run a zerker spec that is not thief ,mesmer or another med guardian..will result in a net defeat most times than not.

Well, let’s just add that if your zerker spec is a thief, you’ll die. And zerker eles have every tools they need to kill a media guard.

I’m not sure I understood correctly what you said about effectiveness. Because in terms of effort, thief and mesmer takes a lot more than for example zerker ranger or necro. So I would say that outside of the top teams, power rangers and power necros can bring nearly as much as thief and mesmer, because the weaknesses of these builds, that make them nearly unplayed in major tournaments, are compensated by the fact that they are easier to play. Of course, the advantage switches from ranger/necro to thief/mesmer the higher you go on the MMR scale.

Medi guard, naturally, being relatively easy to play and effective, shines at every level of play.

Nathaniel.4905:

So last night a guildie and I jumped in Aspect Gaming’s (tyvmbtw) 2v2 weekly tourney.

In ESL weekly tourney cele amulet is banned in 2v2.

Sorel.4870:

Bring the right builds at the right fights.

I think I stipulated that in my opening, but yes, prior to last night I had never done any sort of 2v2. I just took whatever build I was running, which happened to be the med, GS variant guard ( I even suggested at least rolling hammer/sf but guildie said just roll with it).

But I wanted to see how zerker stacked up against Cele in a concentrated environment, and hands down Cele beat Zerker.

Ehm, OP played shoutbow with zerker ammy and complained about getting rolled by Cele classes. It says a lot about his perception on skills. Surely, cele is noob friendly but it doesn’t necessarily carry bad players. Meanwhile, wearing zerker doesn’t mean you automatically become that cool hipster. In a 1v1 or 2v2, you miss your burst/dodge/block, then you get outplayed.

Hachiman.2470:

Nathaniel.4905:

So last night a guildie and I jumped in Aspect Gaming’s (tyvmbtw) 2v2 weekly tourney.

In ESL weekly tourney cele amulet is banned in 2v2.

interesting. Do you know what caused them to make this call?

Nathaniel.4905:

But I wanted to see how zerker stacked up against Cele in a concentrated environment, and hands down Cele beat Zerker.

In 2v2 strictly. In 1v1, it depends.

1vs1 zerker thief > all cele builds

If you think you got beat because of someone’s amulet, then you’ve got a lot to learn about PvP.

How bout that zerker shoutbow though? Medi Guard+Shoutbow is a really strong 2v2, sounds like a player skill issue.

Kousetsu.1627:

1vs1 zerker thief > all cele builds

You can’t win against an engineer of similar skill on a thief.

why didnt you go 1 zerk with 1 bunker support? Like guardian with staff for might and zerk warrior with stances?

Or power necro with d/d ele, you ran in there with 5 vs 5 builds and calling the ammy easy proof when really by your own admission you didnt do your homework for 2 vs 2

Dawdler.8521:

Keep in mind that celestial was added to pvp by Anet.

It wasn’t added, it was buffed.

kdaddy.5431:

why didnt you go 1 zerk with 1 bunker support? Like guardian with staff for might and zerk warrior with stances?

Or power necro with d/d ele, you ran in there with 5 vs 5 builds and calling the ammy easy proof when really by your own admission you didnt do your homework for 2 vs 2

Because the cele users weren’t using meta conquest builds? /derp

Nathaniel.4905:

Shoutbow Warrior
Medi Guard GS variant (me)

We both rolled Zerkers…

You don’t think it is even slightly ironic that you are complaining about celestial being “noob friendly cheese” when the two builds you were playing are “noob friendly cheese”?

zinkz.7045:

Nathaniel.4905:

Shoutbow Warrior
Medi Guard GS variant (me)

We both rolled Zerkers…

You don’t think it is even slightly ironic that you are complaining about celestial being “noob friendly cheese” when the two builds you were playing are “noob friendly cheese”?

Lolwut

Mediguard isn’t a celestial build.

SobeSoul.6910:

zinkz.7045:

Nathaniel.4905:

Shoutbow Warrior
Medi Guard GS variant (me)

We both rolled Zerkers…

You don’t think it is even slightly ironic that you are complaining about celestial being “noob friendly cheese” when the two builds you were playing are “noob friendly cheese”?

Lolwut

Mediguard isn’t a celestial build.

Erm I didn’t say it was, maybe try reading it again.

Ah, ya, I see where I misread.

Though I honestly don’t think mediguard is “noob friendly cheese”. It is easy for people to pick up. But you see huge gaps in skill from the very good guardians to people who are just picking it up.