(edited by Archaon.6245)
So here we are...
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
I’m In It To Win It.
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
And before says my build doesn’t work, when Ele’s get nerfed it will be -Schwahrheit
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
To be fair to ANet, PvP only players contribute 0 dollars in the form of gem purchases right now. Other than the custom arena what do sPvP/tPvP only players need to use the gem store for?
and laurels?
With component t6 laurels it is quite easy to do money
10-20pa/u. 1 bag contains three component.
but some are much cheaper to hv for some day.
lorel+dyes=a lot of money
I use my Po for 1k6 gems and I was left with after 31po.
sorry for my english.
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(edited by toad.8652)
Other than the custom arena what do sPvP/tPvP only players need to use the gem store for?
Paying custom arenas with glory would be enough for me, don’t really care about fancy backpacks and stuff, but if i have to buy gems in order to get pvp content while i’m playing pvp only since release they can forget my money already..and as i said before, they stated pvp was going to have his own currency (Like pve with gold and karma)…but at the end of the day with 500k+ glory you’re still poor as kitten since you can do nothing with it and you can’t trade it for “global” currency (Gems)…something wrong here…
Just an example:
I would like to buy that minipet (Actually i wouldn’t cause it’s unuseful but let’s figure out i’m in love with this stupid thing following me)
If i play pve or wvsw only i would probably be able to afford it.
If i play pvp only (r50+, qpnts, kittenload of glory, a pile of titles and stuff) i look into my wallet, i see no money in there and then i have 3 choices…
Forget it
Go pve/wvsw
Buy gems for cash
I see a big problem here.
(edited by Archaon.6245)
I agree you should be able to pay for custom arenas through only pvp play BUT you have to realize the devs need to eat and a lot of that comes from in game purchases which sPvP players dont have to make at the moment.
I agree you should be able to pay for custom arenas through only pvp play BUT you have to realize the devs need to eat and a lot of that comes from in game purchases which sPvP players dont have to make at the moment.
People keep posting this, but I don’t think they have any idea what they’re talking about. Not a single one of you know how much money anet makes, or spends, or needs. Businesses don’t seek to make just enough money to pay their employees, they try to make as much money as possible. We have not a single clue how much these custom arenas are actually costing anet, and my somewhat-educated bet is very little in the grand scheme of things. People really need to stop drinking the anet kool-aid and actually think for a second. These are not servers like you would expect in some other game. You are paying for the privilege of playing against your friends, like any other mmorpg game would give to you as a basic feature. How can you customize your arena? Adjusting some numbers? Change the map? Kick people? All things that are trivial to alter for anet, and don’t actually cost them any resources.
I agree you should be able to pay for custom arenas through only pvp play BUT you have to realize the devs need to eat and a lot of that comes from in game purchases which sPvP players dont have to make at the moment.
People keep posting this, but I don’t think they have any idea what they’re talking about. Not a single one of you know how much money anet makes, or spends, or needs. Businesses don’t seek to make just enough money to pay their employees, they try to make as much money as possible. We have not a single clue how much these custom arenas are actually costing anet, and my somewhat-educated bet is very little in the grand scheme of things. People really need to stop drinking the anet kool-aid and actually think for a second. These are not servers like you would expect in some other game. You are paying for the privilege of playing against your friends, like any other mmorpg game would give to you as a basic feature. How can you customize your arena? Adjusting some numbers? Change the map? Kick people? All things that are trivial to alter for anet, and don’t actually cost them any resources.
“needs to eat too” is a statement that implies that a company needs to make money, not that they need the money in order to continue operating. So really, you quoted a guy saying the same thing as you and implied that he is a mindless Anet support. GG.
By the way, you can already play with and against your friends in normal servers without paying, however just like in other games if you explicitly want to play with just a select group of people then you need a custom arena, and that privilege should cost something.
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With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more money
takes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
And before says my build doesn’t work, when Ele’s get nerfed it will be -Schwahrheit
To be fair to ANet, PvP only players contribute 0 dollars in the form of gem purchases right now. Other than the custom arena what do sPvP/tPvP only players need to use the gem store for?
And there is the circular problem with the resource allocation ANet faces with Spvp. They don’t give us anything for us to purchase (real world money) on so they have such poor resources devoted to it. Seriously, I’ve spent more on this game than a subscription based game and there ISN’T anything to buy. Imagine if there were…
As for monetizing Spvp properly, there are tons of threads out there telling them what we want to buy. I’ve never run into a company more pigheaded than this one. Where do you get customers punching you in the face to spend money; yet every step of the way you turn your back on them?
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
O O O O I I I O – Spoons and Sporks [Soup] (Retired)
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
there ya go maybe they can learn from the past
WHERE MY ZAISHEN KEYS AT!
And before says my build doesn’t work, when Ele’s get nerfed it will be -Schwahrheit
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
there ya go maybe they can learn from the past
WHERE MY ZAISHEN KEYS AT!
They keep talking about making the PvP more rewarding and then act like they dont know how. I think they forgot all the good things they developed GW1 that would have translated well during their push to make a different game
O O O O I I I O – Spoons and Sporks [Soup] (Retired)
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, play with friends and stuff..do you remember guild halls and friendly gvgs? I do..
(edited by Archaon.6245)
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
which was exactly the right way to do it.
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
which was exactly the right way to do it.
And which is exactly what they didn’t…
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, play with friends and stuff..do you remember guild halls and friendly gvgs? I do..
The Guild Wars In-Game store was introduced in 2006… I dont know about you, but to me that wasnt very late in the GW1 timeline of releases…
O O O O I I I O – Spoons and Sporks [Soup] (Retired)
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
http://www.twitch.tv/parisalchuk
With such eloquence it is hard to not take your points seriously.
sometimes you got to be in it to win it!
cuz if your not first Ricky bobby…. your last!
seriously though there is nothing wrong with Anet trying to make a buck off of pvp i just think they went the wrong way about it.
keep in mind if pvp makes them more money it gives more incentive for Anet to support it. that is just how the world works it takes money to make things happen, believe it or not those people who work on making content for this game like a thing we call food and shelter
Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
times have changes and GW1 was not really an mmo, it felt more like an ARPG while mmo’s cost more to make and have more fierce competition with other mmo’s.
games these days take more people and more resources/time therefore more moneytakes money to make money
also this is not gw1 its gw2, don’t let nostalgia blind you, everything is temporary change is the only constant.
plus count your blessings, because some of the cash shops and things you can buy in other games is down right offensive (cough cough newly f2p Rift cough)
Not only that, but GW1 DID have a cash shop which proved to be very profitable.
Yeah but it was, and got implemented very late, for aesthetic stuff only…you already had every in-game content after buying the game, no need to pay more in order to get other arenas, playing with friends and stuff..
which was exactly the right way to do it.
And which is exactly what they didn’t…
gw1: “have all this stuff for box price!”
players: “yaaaay anet is great!”
gw2: “pls spend more money on basic features”
players: “wtf….?”
Having a server of your own that you don’t need to host is a basic feature now?
Having a server of your own that you don’t need to host is a basic feature now?
Yes since many games offer that for free…and don’t forget the main point of this thread:
That we must pay gems to make custom pvp arenas but we have no ways to get them if we play pvp…even spending our “money” (Glory) which is totally worth nothing outside stupid chests full of crap and unid dyes giving random money back…most ppl don’t even open tournament chests already (I have something like 250+ myself spread oven my chars)….guess why? They’re not worth the time it takes to recicle the crap inside…
Glory for Gems or Custom Arenas kits and tokens for glory (And i prefer the last so if you want to set up your pvp arena you MUST be an active pvp player like it should be)
Sorry but this is the only way to go if you want to start improving gw2 pvp to a decent level..right now you’re only putting pve heroes above pvp players even in “our” part of the game…dunno to you but it doesn’t seem really fair to me.
Private servers must cost something? Fine. But since they are pvp servers they must cost pvp money.
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It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Azreell – Mesmer
Loyalty To None
Loyalty To None
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
It’s like asking for glory if you want to buy siege blueprints…makes sense to you? This is the same…
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
Azreell – Mesmer
Loyalty To None
Loyalty To None
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
I EXPECT that major game features are not behind a paywall.
I EXPECT that the game’s core pvp functionality not be reserved for pvers.
I EXPECT a viable alternative that allows pvpers the ability to have access to CA WITHOUT spending money or waste time in pve.
I expect a game not to try so hard to make me dislike it but kitten is it doing a good job.
Gem store should be for cosmetics. There are SO MANY better ways to offer customers interesting products that don’t make pvp community feel left out.
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It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
Judgmental a bit aren’t we? You have no idea who I am or what I do in game. Just because I have found severe flaws in your argument there is no need to be so bitter.
I will explain a bit more – You paid for the game. You got the game.
I do not recall anywhere when I purchased GW2 that I was entitled to get any new features – be it cash shop items or new content for free.
Matter of fact i was smart enough to realize at the time of purchase that I would be investing more money in this game for such items.
So instead of acting like a child and demanding things because “you” want them. How about we act grown up and realize if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game. So instead of spending 14-16 dollars a month on a sub I see no issue with spending some money on a arena rental to support this game IF you want your own server.
Crazy concept I know.
Azreell – Mesmer
Loyalty To None
Loyalty To None
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
Judgmental a bit aren’t we? You have no idea who I am or what I do in game. Just because I have found severe flaws in your argument there is no need to be so bitter.
I will explain a bit more – You paid for the game. You got the game.
I do not recall anywhere when I purchased GW2 that I was entitled to get any new features – be it cash shop items or new content for free.
Matter of fact i was smart enough to realize at the time of purchase that I would be investing more money in this game for such items.
So instead of acting like a child and demanding things because “you” want them. How about we act grown up and realize if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game. So instead of spending 14-16 dollars a month on a sub I see no issue with spending some money on a arena rental to support this game IF you want your own server.
Crazy concept I know.
I think you didn’t get the point. Read again…i asked to use pvp currency for buying pvp stuff, does it sound so insane to you? This would bring more ppl to pvp too instead of farming mobs and then being able to get stuff while the ones who are in pvp since release can’t afford it cause our currency is worth nothing…again if you are coming from pve and don’t want to put an effort to get something that doesn’t belong to you and just buy it with farmed golds just don’t reply…this topic is not for you (You’re already in the wrong forum’s section). If you actually have a proper brain i think you can easily understand the problem here..
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I’ll be honest, I’m not sure Anet is who collects on gem store sales – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3F_ZcvR-pg – hints that NCSoft pulls it in? I’d be more than fine with supporting the gem store and buying a custom arena of my own if the money was reinvested to make it worth my while.
Birch Bruiser, Crystal Desert’s #1 Albino Sylvari Warrior.
It’s amazing the sense of entitlement people have these days.
A new feature was added – it cost’s money to use.
So – now you have 2 choices:
A) Support this feature and game and pay for the service
B) Don’t
To expect everything for free from a company is ridiculous. At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Again…i expect to pay pvp features with the pvp currency they gave us…paying pvp stuff with golds (Since golds = gems) while glory is still worthless is totally nonsense..and should be reworked asap
There is that word “expect” again.
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
It’s a nice feature that cost’s money. Now while “I” may think the pricing structure is a bit high – it’s still not bad.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
If i paid for something, and since at game release and during betas they said glory was going to be a currency in s-tpvp world just like golds and karma in pve/wvsw, yes i EXPECT this game to be, at least, as they said it was going to be. If this is a problem for you or for any pve hero around who wants to get everything just because he farms dungeons all day like a mindless chicken, no offence, but i really don’t give a single kitten.
Judgmental a bit aren’t we? You have no idea who I am or what I do in game. Just because I have found severe flaws in your argument there is no need to be so bitter.
I will explain a bit more – You paid for the game. You got the game.
I do not recall anywhere when I purchased GW2 that I was entitled to get any new features – be it cash shop items or new content for free.
Matter of fact i was smart enough to realize at the time of purchase that I would be investing more money in this game for such items.
So instead of acting like a child and demanding things because “you” want them. How about we act grown up and realize if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game. So instead of spending 14-16 dollars a month on a sub I see no issue with spending some money on a arena rental to support this game IF you want your own server.
Crazy concept I know.
I think you didn’t get the point. Read again…i asked to use pvp currency for buying pvp stuff, does it sound so insane to you? This would bring more ppl to pvp too instead of farming mobs and then being able to get stuff while the ones who are in pvp since release can’t afford it cause our currency is worth nothing…again if you are coming from pve and don’t want to put an effort to get something that doesn’t belong to you just don’t reply…this topic is not for you. If you actually have a proper brain i think you can easily understand the problem here..
Once again you do not understand the simple point.
Anet is here to make money.
Anet is not entitled to give you anything because “you” qualify yourself as a pvper.
Just because you play one particular aspect of the game and only one is no ones fault but your own.
There are options to not use RL money to get a server. If you choose to not explore those options then that fault lies with you.
Because you want to sit in heart of the mists all day and not support gw2 what so ever is your issue.
I myself have no issue spending a little real life money for this feature because I find value in it.
You spent money for the box price of this game. You got your moneys worth out of it and then some – to expect more for free or without putting in some effort is ridiculous.
Azreell – Mesmer
Loyalty To None
Loyalty To None
There is an IMMENSE disparity between pve and pvp.
PvE get huge updates with new content all the time for free.
PvP has been neglected and even had stuff removed!
Now there is new feature custom arena… and you buy it with gems, and you have to pay monthly with gems, and gems are great for people who can get them for in game gold… OH WAIT A SECOND PVPERS CAN’T MAKE GOLD
So this is a PVP FEATURE that is FREE FOR PVERS and pvpers have to PAY IRL MONEY to use it…
And ppl go on and on about how it’s ok to pay money for features and pvers can’t hear any of us over the sound of all their gold → gems conversion for new character slots.
Because you want to sit in heart of the mists all day and not support gw2 what so ever is your issue.
And if you sit all day into a pve dungeon and you never went ONCE into heart of the mist you’re still able to get your own PVP (Read carefully again PVP) arena without paying rl money just getting gems from gold while ppl who only play pvp can’t…sounds legit right?
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and laurels?
With component t6 laurels it is quite easy to do money10-20pa/u. 1 bag contains three component.
but some are much cheaper to hv for some day.
lorel+dyes=a lot of moneyI use my Po for 1k6 gems and I was left with after 31po.
sorry for my english.
Quite right with this. If all you do is pvp then you have no need for laurels, unless you want to go for the minis or tonic. So simply spend your laurels on heavy crafting bags, and sell the t6 mats.
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I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
Jumzi (Ranger), Tarnished Coast
There are other basic features (Like build saving like gw1) that aren’t still implemented in the game…and it doesn’t mean they’re not basic features, it just means that gw2 pvp is still in beta not even completed, maybe they are going to let you save/load builds for gems too…who knows…we are ready for anything at this point..
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for money
you should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
Answer to a new player: “How can I vs my friend?” and you have to reply “Well, first you got to get 1600 gems… or maybe find some generous guild that will allow you to have some short amount of time on their server. But you can’t really keep doing that because then that guild can’t use their server for their guild purposes!”
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
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I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
I’ve enjoyed months and months of GW2 PvP without having it, I can continue to do so.
Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
Jumzi (Ranger), Tarnished Coast
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!
New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone! No wonder why pve heroes are so excited..
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Jumzi (Ranger), Tarnished Coast
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!I’ve enjoyed months and months of GW2 PvP without having it, I can continue to do so.
Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
I will use fewer words so you understand better:
There is no option to play vs a team of your choosing without spending gems.
Instead, anet put a basic feature into a larger package with no alternative but to pay gems.
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Anet is asking too much for pvp arenas, but it’s not my point…my point is about anet asking for something pvp players can’t get without paying real money while pve farmers can, even if they never went pvp in their whole life…seriously can you get it or not? It’s like the third time i explain this…
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Anet is asking too much for pvp arenas, but it’s not my point…my point is about anet asking for something pvp players can’t get without paying real money while pve farmers can, even if they never went pvp in their whole life…seriously can you get it or not? It’s like the third time i explain this…
Oh, we all get your point. It’s just an annoying way to go about making it.
Jumzi (Ranger), Tarnished Coast
guys, sorry to bother this funny conversation about how gw1 >>> gw2… but
Azreell.1568 is right. nothing more to argue to him. you expected too much.
i expect now everyone of you accept that truth and quit the game. or installa gw1, or find one of 9000 f2p games that have good pvp for free.
I do think the price is a little steep, and that glory should be able to be used to help negate Arena costs, rather than gold, since PvPers have no steady access to gold.
That said, many of you here are insane. You’re already complaining about having to pay for a feature that hasn’t even existed for ten months, now suddenly it’s a basic feature you’re entitled to… Spoiled. Rotten. Kids.
basic feature: choose who you play against
anet idea: add extra crap & sell for moneyyou should be able to play a standard game on a map of your choosing, against whomever you choose, and it should never cost you a single dime (or gem)
I really don’t give a rat’s kitten about all the other features, and I don’t care to have an “always-on” arena that anyone can join. To me, this feels like they just trying to get us to pay for hotjoin. hahahahaha They want us to fund RANDOM ARENAS xD
what a joke idea
and all of you suckers even defending it!New meta paid hotjoin. Let’s zergfest everyone!
Hotjoin is still free. You’re being incredibly shallow and childish, and overreacting… much like a child does.
Let’s debate price-point and features, fine… because Anet IS asking to much, I can agree. But your approach to debate and your arguments are just plain childish and annoying.
Anet is asking too much for pvp arenas, but it’s not my point…my point is about anet asking for something pvp players can’t get without paying real money while pve farmers can, even if they never went pvp in their whole life…seriously can you get it or not? It’s like the third time i explain this…
Oh, we all get your point. It’s just an annoying way to go about making it.
I know that saying “Well it’s not fair and totally nonsense but i’ll pay anyway” would be much less annoying and for sure it’s the answer anet wants from pvp community…but sorry…no. The day they would finally give pvp the same care they already give to pve and wvsw we would talk about paying money for something…but for now…no way.
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It’s funny that people complain about expectations. Let me tell you a secret about good marketing. If you want your product to build loyalty, whether your product is a grocery store, starbucks, resturaunt, or a game.. it’s always the same, you need to build expectations. Your job is to make it so that the people paying your check have very high expectations in the pure hope that your competitors cannot meet the expectations you have set up.
So yes, people do expect a lot. But that is because it is coming from a company that trained its first audience to have high expectations and led future audiences on with how great their game would be increasing their expectations. When they cannot fulfill their own promises, you do the opposite of what you looked to start off with, you lose people.
It is absurd to provide something to a community where people who aren’t part of that community can obtain that product for free. It’s almost a cruel joke at that point.
And btw, there is not a single other f2p or even p2p game with good pvp out there that is also in the style of an RPG. None that aren’t dead at least.
At the end of the day Anet has to make money to continue to support this game. They require a profit to keep going. How is this difficult to understand?
I think it will more likely be supporting NCsoft and/or their mansion/yacht/shares purchases, but hey, to each their own.
I just don’t understand you people anymore….. To date GW2 has probably done the best job at it’s cash shop then any other game on the market so there really isn’t much to complain about.
Your use of ‘the best’ is rather relative in this regard, for it merely means it hasn’t (yet) implemented purchasable items which are significantly better than those obtainable from pvp/pve. I dare say the main reason why they haven’t yet done so is the community (and we’re talking large pve/wvw mob here) would be in uproar if they did so…probably.
Anyhow, to finish what the OP started…
“So here we are…ESPORTZ!”
You should not “expect” anything nor are you entitled to it.
Well, in GW1, guild halls served as the default test, spar, scrimming and whatnot arena. They were, and still are, purchasable with ig money. So yea you’d expect Anet to keep a working model intact, but for some reason, Anet don’t seem to have specced enough into Logic, or are suffering from permanent Blackout. kitten those echo bo spammers.
If you don’t like what they have done with this option – Don’t buy it. It’s truly as simple as that.
Better than not liking it, one simply shouldn’t give a kitten (why would one care to start with? the pvp has nothing going for anyone).
But, in the future I suggest you stop “expecting” anything from anyone.
Read above.
So instead of acting like a child and demanding things because “you” want them. How about we act grown up and realize if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game.
The real question is, why would one want something as useless as that.
Crazy, inorite.
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if Anet continues to make money they can continue to support and make GW2 a great game.
Dunno if trolling…this just totally confirmed you never spent more than 1 hour in pvp, otherwise you wouldn’t say bs like “continue to support”….
Support? What? When? They’re just ruining pvp even more with every single patch…wtf are you talking about?
I am always surprised by the incompetence of development strategy in this game. To elaborate a bit:
So you had your pvp and pve split, to give people a geargrind free pvp – great, now only build and skill shows who wins, not time spent grinding. You also made it so that player while pvping cannot obtain currency used in pve (gold) – ok it makes sense, because then there might be an increase in currency thus creating an hyperinflation ingame, since pvp has no sinkholes like repairs to take the gold away. To compensate pvp players you created the currency used only in pvp (glory).
Now you start pushing updates, but keep ignoring pvp playerbase – very few things were added there. PvE players get all attention: new maps, new instances, new items, etc. Then you figure out that it would be a good time to allow people to train with their friends so you release custom arenas for that purpose. The only way to get one is by using gems – a currency that you CAN buy by using PVE (!!!) currency, but not PvP. So you developed a product that cannot be baught by the target audience, while it can be easily accessible by people who are not using it. Its like making running shoes free for people without legs. And don’t give me this RNG crap about creating dyes and selling them for gold – I only once got a dye worth more than 1 gold from all that I crafted (I played this game from BW1), the funny thing is I could not put it in trading post because I had NO GOLD.
There are people like Azreel that say: well just use real money, because then you support the development for this game. I have some issue with this statement:
1. There is no development in pvp, so in your opinion is it fair for pvp players to support pve development?
2. Why the playerbase that gets all the attention (thats the PvE crowd if you are blind, deaf and have not noticed that) gets all the new things for free? How about they pay gems to go to dungeons with your friends – it would be very interesting to see the reaction.
3. Money that is earned from gemstore probably does not go directly into development, since anet and ncsoft really is not the same company.
4. I actually think there were as many thing removed from pvp as added, so again, why support the pve development?
Now about the argument of “Well you should not expect something, because if you expect something from the developers that means you are spoiled”. I do not want to go into marketing and creating loyal customers, since Diage did it already. But I will remind you the messages anet & ncsoft send to us before the release – Gw2 is the first AAA pvp mmorpg, will be the first esport mmorpg, etc. After 10 (!!!) months they released a very basic platform, obtained only with real $ nonetheless, for a normal team vs team (note that not a random, but a set team vs team) game that should have been there if not from beta then at launch at least, since it IS one of the core elements on which you can build a comp player vs player game. And now there are c*nts in forum that are saying that our expectations were too high. Me and my 5 friends got tricked by this “marketing strategy”* of a competitive AAA pvp mmorpg. We played from the beginning but after a while more and more people left since there was nothing but a boring one mode 3 map game with the same professions on the other side using the same strategy and while mechanics were great there was no infrastructure to help and support the tediousness. So the expectations that pvp players were (some still are) having are not too high, they are too low, since the current product they already took our money for is not what was promised.
*basically a lie
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Believe me gw1 devs were not homeless guys…and they still didn’t ask for a single dollar outside game’s price…and dear god pvp was 10 times better than here…
You have some bizarre memory. For one, you didn’t have custom arenas. At best you had the guild halls which had zero customization. For two, the unlock packs. They asked for more than a single dollar, just because you don’t seem to remember that doesn’t make it not the case.
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