Guild Wars 2

Since the patch the match making became worse than ever. It is completly luck based. You get either vetrans with meta spec rank 50+ or total noobs signet P/P thieves and signet riffle warriors.

It needs a fix as soon as possible because I dont wanna win or lose because of luck I wanna have an equal match up. We won this match it was 4v5 the entiere time and I was like semi- afk because I was looking something on youtube. So they basicly won a 3v5.

This is a reality in every single game that has solo que. And the fix for this has existed since the dawn of time.

Solo que TPvP is no different than hotjoins, don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

Zepidel.5349:

This is a reality in every single game that has solo que. And the fix for this has existed since the dawn of time.

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Solo que TPvP is no different than hotjoins, don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I can never find 5 people for team Q . And no actually, the match making was way better pre-patch.

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Zepidel.5349:

This is a reality in every single game that has solo que. And the fix for this has existed since the dawn of time.

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Solo que TPvP is no different than hotjoins, don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I can never find 5 people for team Q . And no actually, the match making was way better pre-patch.

Whether matchmaking was better or not pre-patch is partly debatable, but anyone that has been in the top 100 bracket knows that it has always been a dice roll (luck) who you got on your team, eventually even the top 20 matches result in a total blowout during peak times when you have consistent top 20 players on 1 team vs 1 top 20 player and 4 no lb rank players on the other team.

There almost no communication in solo que, theres no team comp. You get what you get and you hope you have the roles you need. Its not competitive in the slightest, and shouldn’t be taken seriously.]

I’m no GW2 MLG pro but this is hows its been from games like WoW to Dota DAoC etc…

Zepidel.5349:

There almost no communication in solo que, theres no team comp. You get what you get and you hope you have the roles you need. Its not competitive in the slightest, and shouldn’t be taken seriously.]

I’m no GW2 MLG pro but this is hows its been from games like WoW to Dota DAoC etc…

+1 to this and also knowing that even if you play a flawless game, there is no such thing as carrying a team and people shouldn’t take soloq seriously

You dont need a 5 man team for a game mode to become competitive. I’ve played an FPS game before where hotjoin was more competitive than clan vs clan. And yes even if solo Q is not as important as team Q in gw2 , they should fix their broken system.

a t s e.9614:

You dont need a 5 man team for a game mode to become competitive. I’ve played an FPS game before where hotjoin was more competitive than clan vs clan. And yes even if solo Q is not as important as team Q in gw2 , they should fix their broken system.

Solo que anything is not competitive.

Competitive is a full team vs a full team, with team comps and strats, communication, and everyone playing their best. When you lose, its not because some idiot on your team or the other team got bunkers and you didn’t, but because you lost playing at your best.

I’m not saying you have to be MLG, you just need 5 friends, a mic, and take a little time before hand to come up with a plan. If you cant even do that you have no right to complain.

There is no perfect MMR system, its a lottery plan and simple, no amount of wizardry will change that. This type of stuff has been around for at least a decade now, if there was some magic system we would be using it.

The only problem with solo que is games starting 4v5.

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Zepidel.5349:

a t s e.9614:

You dont need a 5 man team for a game mode to become competitive. I’ve played an FPS game before where hotjoin was more competitive than clan vs clan. And yes even if solo Q is not as important as team Q in gw2 , they should fix their broken system.

Solo que anything is not competitive.

Competitive is a full team vs a full team, with team comps and strats, communication, and everyone playing their best. When you lose, its not because some idiot on your team or the other team got bunkers and you didn’t, but because you lost playing at your best.

I’m not saying you have to be MLG, you just need 5 friends, a mic, and take a little time before hand to come up with a plan. If you cant even do that you have no right to complain.

There is no perfect MMR system, its a lottery plan and simple, no amount of wizardry will change that. This type of stuff has been around for at least a decade now, if there was some magic system we would be using it.

The only problem with solo que is games starting 4v5.

If the matchmaking was correct there woud be no ’’idiots’’ . I wouldn’t call them idiots anyway but new players. Whats the difference between solo and team? Conquest is very simple you dont need that much communication.

You go to a point and you bunk it, as simple as that . You dont need to be a genius to play gw2 PvP.

There’s… a lot more involved than just that lol. You can play it like that if you want, but you wont get very far, not that there anywhere to “go” in SPvP.

Read through this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Does-arena-have-a-MMR/first#post3797418

Its a complex GLICKO algorithm with several variables that determine MMR. If they are using a good system (I think they are based upon my knowledge of statistics and reading their information, and experience), then it will get more accurate as the player population gets larger.

The MMR system is likely pairing people to make teams of a similar average MMR based on all of the players on each team. It may be randomly placing new players into games, or assumes they have a certain MMR for their first game. A higher MMR player will boost their team’s average to make up for players with lower, or have an assumed MMR by the system.

So if there are numerous new players, then it is more likely for you to get paired with them. The odds are not in your favor for being paired with non-new players until the system settles.

The good Old ELO-Hell^^

People think they are better than they are and look for excuses like elo-hell, luck based, bad mmr, team always bad ….. whatever

soloQ is fine and the only constant player in your games is you – same as it is for everyone and there are players in soloQ leaderboard which have no problem to be in top 25 or 50 forever with win lose 60+ or even 70% – so yeah it is possible to carry in this game

but ye its easier to call something “ELO-Hell” when you think you deserve more than you get^^

Solo Q is only similar to the 5v5 hot joins, once you get more it becomes more zerg less tactics. As well since patch, they are more toxic due to the players finding out you do not get punished for AFKing in solo q if you want your rewards and don’t want to play.

You can only carry in trench tier games, were there are complete noobies you can feed and exploit off of. Once you get higher on the MMR ladder you cant carry. The problem in the middle and high solo que brackets isn’t bad players. Its the meta, you need a solid team comp, you need a strat, you need communication.

Now solo que you get 4 randoms, one team will undoubtedly get a better comp, better communication, etc…. having a worse team comp isn’t a death sentence, if the other team has 0 communication then you are likely to win. But it IS all luck of the draw. I’ve seen games lost over little things like one team having a dedicated trebber, or orb runner when the others did not, this 1 person simply switching sides would of won it for either team. I’ve played games with no bunkers and lost because we rarely had home or far, I’ve lost games were no one assists off targets and choose to beat on the hambow war instead of the 12k hp zerker thief…

There is a certain wall you cannot pass without luck, or a team.

All this of course solved by simply queuing as a team.

I love you Zepidel, but can’t wait till all the afkers MMR drop so I can play solo q again…

Klocknov.8219:

I love you Zepidel, but can’t wait till all the afkers MMR drop so I can play solo q again…

I play tons of solo que, but I don’t take it seriously. I usually change my build every 2-3 matches and use it to test stuff out. If you realize solo que is actually just the dumpster que, and play to have fun/learn/theory craft a bit you will have a lot better time.

If you “tryhard” in solo que all that is going to come to you is frustration, I learned my lesson years ago in dota1. And this is why the communities for mobas and GW2 solo que are so terrible, people want to be MLG Pr0 tryhards, but cant be asked to get 5 measly people together.

And considering how much anet puts into the game non cash shop wise (nothing) we can expect to see afk detection, pause, and full roster checks before the game starts around… never. those are honestly my only complaints with solo que.

Zepidel.5349:

Klocknov.8219:

I love you Zepidel, but can’t wait till all the afkers MMR drop so I can play solo q again…

I play tons of solo que, but I don’t take it seriously. I usually change my build every 2-3 matches and use it to test stuff out. If you realize solo que is actually just the dumpster que, and play to have fun/learn/theory craft a bit you will have a lot better time.

If you “tryhard” in solo que all that is going to come to you is frustration, I learned my lesson years ago in dota1. And this is why the communities for mobas and GW2 solo que are so terrible, people want to be MLG Pr0 tryhards, but cant be asked to get 5 measly people together.

And considering how much anet puts into the game non cash shop wise (nothing) we can expect to see afk detection, pause, and full roster checks before the game starts around… never. those are honestly my only complaints with solo que.

I dont really ‘’try hard’’ in Solo Q. I change my build like every week except for my thief. Most people are not try hards they just wanna have fun with an equal match up. Winning or losing 500-0 is basicly the same thing. Winning with a decent team against scrubs its just as frustrating as losing with a scrub team against decent players.

Totally agree

Which team get lucky have less nubs than another team
WIN!!!!

Or

Which team get lucky have 3-4heavies while the other team dont
WIN!!

This is how pvp in Gamble war2 work

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Zepidel.5349:

Klocknov.8219:

I love you Zepidel, but can’t wait till all the afkers MMR drop so I can play solo q again…

I play tons of solo que, but I don’t take it seriously. I usually change my build every 2-3 matches and use it to test stuff out. If you realize solo que is actually just the dumpster que, and play to have fun/learn/theory craft a bit you will have a lot better time.

If you “tryhard” in solo que all that is going to come to you is frustration, I learned my lesson years ago in dota1. And this is why the communities for mobas and GW2 solo que are so terrible, people want to be MLG Pr0 tryhards, but cant be asked to get 5 measly people together.

And considering how much anet puts into the game non cash shop wise (nothing) we can expect to see afk detection, pause, and full roster checks before the game starts around… never. those are honestly my only complaints with solo que.

I dont really ‘’try hard’’ in Solo Q. I change my build like every week except for my thief. Most people are not try hards they just wanna have fun with an equal match up. Winning or losing 500-0 is basicly the same thing. Winning with a decent team against scrubs its just as frustrating as losing with a scrub team against decent players.

The only thing I can reply to this statement is just play more and more games to the point where you don’t care if you win or lose, you will (in a sad way) enjoy this game more.

So if I solo queue and afk all game the outcome is 100% luck?

Ryan.9387:

So if I solo queue and afk all game the outcome is 100% luck?

yes if you look correctly at the screen shot, my team won a 4v5 with me being afk hallf of the game. To win a 4v5 the opposite team has to be really bad and its not a normal win, we won by 400 points. If you dont call that luck then I dont know it is. We were lucky that the opposite team was composed of new players only or we would have lost that 4v5.

Big Problem is the 4vs5.
Next big thing is the awesome Skyhammer map.
But if you wanna say becoming top100 player is only luck based, i have to denie.

Amazing how you complaint about who you get teamed with wile admiring you were afk most of the match watching youtube videos wile your team had only 4 members, great attitude there!

communication is too hard in this fast paced game, without macros to quickly convey messages

creature.5120:

But if you wanna say becoming top100 player is only luck based, i have to denie.

It is, I was R17 3 days ago with my Elementalist,

And its just frustrating if you loose games with unfair matchups/ 4v5 or something like that

Duran.3196:

creature.5120:

But if you wanna say becoming top100 player is only luck based, i have to denie.

It is, I was R17 3 days ago with my Elementalist,

And its just frustrating if you loose games with unfair matchups/ 4v5 or something like that

hitting it once doesnt matter you should be able to hold it too…

creature.5120:

But if you wanna say becoming top100 player is only luck based, i have to denie.

Former rank 2:

You can get in the top 10 solo q ladder with like10 games. Here’s a screen shot from when this was posted.

Just because some people end up there randomly does not mean that everybody did.

I had to get 24-2 to get from Rank 140 to Rank 8ish on my second account – Not easy to do. Both losses were 4v5’s and none of my wins were 5v4. I think this pretty much proves that not everybody gets there through luck only.

You had 24 wins and 2 loses. Assuming it’s soloq ( so team and opponents change over and over), it should be in theory 50% wins 50% loses( with some variations). You had luck somewhere if you ended up with a ratio above than 75% i guess..

Actually, solo queue is about getting 5 random players against 5 other random players, so obviously luck matters somewhere.. The only issue is about low experienced people being teamed with high ranked, because of the MMR..

Locuz.2651:

creature.5120:

But if you wanna say becoming top100 player is only luck based, i have to denie.

Former rank 2:

I R Former Rank 1 here.

I have proof it’s 100% luck base cuz I don’t even know how to play and made it there.

so every player which isnt in leaderboard atm only has bad luck?
guys stop trolling me pls …

creature.5120:

so every player which isnt in leaderboard atm only has bad luck?
guys stop trolling me pls …

You need to look it from a different angle.

The system skyrockets new players way beyond where they belong after 2-3 won games. Look at this dude for example: Who whent from top 500 to top 25 in 2 wins. While going from 6-12 to 8-12. I guess his MMR was high allready his initial 6-12 start?

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Ferdinandos4127

After about 50 games the MMR starts to settle and ppl end up where they belong at that moment.

Problem is that there are so many new players playing atm. Since the system matches everyone with everyone its all or nothing in a lot of games. The difference in skilllevel is absurd at times.

The other way around as you mentioned is a bit about luck aswell. But good players will end up in the top 1000 eventually no matter what.

you have something against rifle warrior?!

I have a question. Why total summary of players points less then it shows at the end of the match? As you could see on the screenshot of topicstarter red team gained 108 poinsts, but if we summarise players results we have 10+45+65+85+85=290.

QQ
the points in red or blue are the points from stomping and the nodes etc.
the points of the players are individual and to be honset dont matter anyways