Guild Wars 2

Here is the thing A-Net, either make solo q a measure of actual pvp skill of individual players or take down the leader board that represents literally nothing.

Because there is a higher item reward intensive than non-rated everyone is flocking to it. There is a high reward for losing so why not.

The game does not measure how good you are or how well you can play with a pick up team, it measures how lucky you are to be with veteran pvpers vs newbies/bad comp/quitters.

There is absolutely no separation based on ranking so once again it all comes down to how lucky you are with a team roll.

I’ve been a guildwars pvp fan since Prophecy and have argued that pvp is what makes GW better that other mmos but this is just pathetic and disappointing.

Here are some ideas for making this better:
1. Take away any reward for losing… make people not want to lose and try harder.

2. If you feel like allowing people in to rated games regardless of their skill at leas separate them by the existing rank structure ( don’t put rank 50 in against rank 3) or at least create a system where the teams are balanced as far as rank separation.

3. Punish people that leave the game.

4. Don’t count an unfair loss against the players that stuck around to the end: (if its 3v5 the 3 people still get a big fat L added to their rank).

5. And for the love of god create a system where there is a limit to how may players of the same class are on one team (I dont care how good you or the class is I have never seed a 4 Mesmer team win).

All those things are nice, but lets wait and see what Anet is cooking because supposedly they are cooking a new system that will make a lot of the things you listed a thing of the past.

If you’re a GW1 fan, then you may have noticed soloQ is pretty much GW2’s RA, except the mmr system tries to soften the level gap between players.

In GW1 you had nothing like this and could land with wammos or x/R with level 8 pets in your team 24/24.

It’s not perfect but it certainly soften the issue.

muscarine.5136:

If you’re a GW1 fan, then you may have noticed soloQ is pretty much GW2’s RA, except the mmr system tries to soften the level gap between players.

In GW1 you had nothing like this and could land with wammos or x/R with level 8 pets in your team 24/24.

It’s not perfect but it certainly soften the issue.

Agreed, this system would have been amazing in Random Arenas.

silvermember.8941:

All those things are nice, but lets wait and see what Anet is cooking because supposedly they are cooking a new system that will make a lot of the things you listed a thing of the past.

Where did you hear this?

Because I really can’t trust their “wait and see what we’re working on!” lines. 8 months down the road, nothing to show for it most of the time.

ceol.9175:

silvermember.8941:

All those things are nice, but lets wait and see what Anet is cooking because supposedly they are cooking a new system that will make a lot of the things you listed a thing of the past.

Where did you hear this?

Because I really can’t trust their “wait and see what we’re working on!” lines. 8 months down the road, nothing to show for it most of the time.

I love how you are act like you have a choice in the matter. Also it pays to use dev tracker.

silvermember.8941:

I love how you are act like you have a choice in the matter. Also it pays to use dev tracker.

Did I strike a nerve? Are you sensitive to people pointing out bad timeline projections and development habits?

I didn’t see anything in the dev tracker. What post, specifically?

silvermember.8941:

ceol.9175:

silvermember.8941:

All those things are nice, but lets wait and see what Anet is cooking because supposedly they are cooking a new system that will make a lot of the things you listed a thing of the past.

Where did you hear this?

Because I really can’t trust their “wait and see what we’re working on!” lines. 8 months down the road, nothing to show for it most of the time.

I love how you are act like you have a choice in the matter.

Really? Grow up. He just asked where you got your information.

Solo queue is full of new players who don’t know how to play, and kitten-talking scrubs who think they’re good when you clearly downed them before their team came and killed you. There should be bans for people who talk kitten and a skill requirement for solo queue so that people who know what they’re doing can actually have a chance at winning -_-

I’ll let you in on a secret OP

Lopez.7369:

It does measure skill in the aggregate. Good players gravitate toward the top of the ladder, while bad players gravitate toward the bottom. It’s basic statistics.

The real problem is human brains are really bad at looking at the aggregate. There are a lot of posts in this forum, for example, that focus on single matches and losses as if they’re statistically significant.

If you ever played a MOBA you know this is false, there is a threshold you will almost never surpass solo queing, you need a team period. Everytime you PUG you are playing the lottery.

I don’t understand all the frustration though, Anet killed any kind of atmosphere of competition in GW2. TPvP is just a mini game, leaderboards don’t mean jack, there is no leagues, no community/official run tourneys (outside of “MLG” events a couple times a year for a handful of people), the MMR system is kept a secret most likely because how messed it up is…. NO GvG + ladder.

WvWvW is DAoC RvR watered down to scoring points and zerging musical objectives, no realm pride, no campaign, no endgame, no beating other realms into submission.

ceol.9175:

silvermember.8941:

I love how you are act like you have a choice in the matter. Also it pays to use dev tracker.

Did I strike a nerve? Are you sensitive to people pointing out bad timeline projections and development habits?

I didn’t see anything in the dev tracker. What post, specifically?

Apparently, directing someone to a where you can find any information about the game is striking a nerve. If you think I am angry about that or something you might be projecting.

in my experience as a new player, winning a few games in a row improved the quality of players of teammates and opponents greatly. My first few matches nobody communicated at all, but after a few wins i suddenly had teammates that typed in chat which node they were going for. the last game i played one teammate actually switched to an alt after he had scouted the enemy team.

I do agree with most of your points, but i do believe changing the leaderboard system would fix everything :

Leaderboard should reward experience : There are too many people that do not really deserve their ranking. You shouldn’t be placed directly in the top10 having 9 wins and 4 loses. Thus, you’re having matchs with very low ranked players and very experienced ones together ( since they’re on the same MMR..).
It should be like +2/5 points and -1/4 for loses ( according to opponents). That way, 4v5 loses wouldn’t hurt much ( unlike right now, where 2 or 3 4v5 can ruin all what you worked for in a week).That way, decay wouldn’t be really needed neither..

You won’t change anything based on luck anyway( such as 3 eles vs 4 warriors matchs), but less hurting loses would quite fix it. Today, it happens a lot that you get -50 ranks for a lose, while wins are giving +4 or +5 ranks..

silvermember.8941:

Apparently, directing someone to a where you can find any information about the game is striking a nerve. If you think I am angry about that or something you might be projecting.

You have yet to actually tell me where I can find what this mysterious developer said about changes to PVP. So I suppose I can just assume you were lying? That’s pretty embarrassing for you. I mean, it’s not like it’s hard to look through the dev tracker and find that one post you were talking about, if it actually existed.

And yes OP, solo queue is a joke. You end up in a winning streak, then a losing streak, then a winning streak, repeat ad nauseum.

ceol.9175:

silvermember.8941:

Apparently, directing someone to a where you can find any information about the game is striking a nerve. If you think I am angry about that or something you might be projecting.

You have yet to actually tell me where I can find what this mysterious developer said about changes to PVP. So I suppose I can just assume you were lying? That’s pretty embarrassing for you. I mean, it’s not like it’s hard to look through the dev tracker and find that one post you were talking about, if it actually existed.

And yes OP, solo queue is a joke. You end up in a winning streak, then a losing streak, then a winning streak, repeat ad nauseum.

Yeah, you are right I’m still waiting for any of them to respond to at least 1 of the 20 threads referring to the same problem. I’m starting to think that Guild Wars is becoming PvE Wars with a litle bit of pvp aspect…
They had a good thing going for them, could have been very popular e-sport and they some how completely kittened it up.