The current conquest mode is bad for people who like to soloq. Different gamemodes like GW 1 (Random Arena, Hall of Hero’s and GvG) would increase the pvp community a lot.
But I guess that is just my opinion (or noone knows how good PvP in GW 1 was/is)
if you want to not soloqueue and instead queue up as a 5man team why don’t you just queue up as a 5man team
Time q for 5 team premade team is 20-40 mins that why !
And you really think that it would improve noticeably if full teams were forced? It’s not like most people would start teaming suddenly – rather, they’d simply stop playing (or go unranked). And then Anet would, as always, draw their own hasty conclusions, and would remove teaming from ranked completely.
People cant understand me . Well of course it will improve noticeably , as teaming up will the only way to ranked and divisions ! I strongly believe that maybe the community will get a bit smaller but it will be a healthier community ! Atm the division system … the hunt for ascension of people that were late or absent in season 1 and
the afk illness ruins the PvP community , even the most patient people you see them rage cause they went out of their clothes !!!! (greek quote)
I don’t understand how solo q is better when half the matches you curse your luck …. if you want a strong PvP community then the only way is teams ! I really don’t have the patience to have pugs in my team that ruin a game via afk/desertion/feeding and Anet just watch them do it … I repeat that we all know of users , very famous users that afk matches in purpose…. they should be perma banned ! Its a pitty 4 teammates give their best and one pug cause he feels like it afk or leave !
In a perfect world 5 diamond pugs vs 5 diamond pugs would be a nice match BUT not all people should be diamond ….. diamond is too easy to reach .I ve fought with a 3-team party (me ruby 1 legend and 1 emerald) plus 2 diamonds play against 5 legendary pugs and win them 500-50 …. teaming up is the way to play the game ! Of course there are pugs winning teams but a bad team is a bad team and will never go up in the division system to play with strong teams !
I don’t understand how solo q is better when half the matches you curse your luck ….
You do remember, that your “solution” would kill all the duos and trios as well?
Also, yeah, if you reduce this community any further (and this recuction wouldn’t be small), it won;t get healthier, because any chance of it being healthy will evaporate. You do need a certain number of players for a sustainable mode. You also need a source of fresh blood. One that brings in more players than you will lose.
The problem of pvp mode currently is not that there are players leaving. It’s that there are not enough new ones coming in. And what you want to do would cut that number even further.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
I don’t understand how solo q is better when half the matches you curse your luck ….
You do remember, that your “solution” would kill all the duos and trios as well?
Also, yeah, if you reduce this community any further (and this recuction wouldn’t be small), it won;t get healthier, because any chance of it being healthy will evaporate. You do need a certain number of players for a sustainable mode. You also need a source of fresh blood. One that brings in more players than you will lose.
The problem of pvp mode currently is not that there are players leaving. It’s that there are not enough new ones coming in. And what you want to do would cut that number even further.
I disagree with that … people are leaving , this is a fact ! People are coming in also is a fact … but you cant keep them in cause once they get in solo q they are targets of multiple rages ! They cant get in fresh blood knowing everything ! Training with a team makes new players want to compete !
Anet made 2 mistakes in HoT :
1) WvW Desert Borderlands —-- it killed WvW
2) Stronghold failure (cause you bring in a map and there is no competition / ladder or any support to promote it ) + division solo q (copy from LoL etc ) which made the pvp community growing in rage more n more from season 1 till now !
Those 2 mistakes made the PvP community poorer than before HoT to start with !!! The game is growing old and what it holds it in market now is the PvE Raid/Fractals section ! Anet is trying to get whatever she can from TP bringing in all the time items to buy ! You want a game to be epic ? You need a game to hold in time ? You make a strong pvp section ! Anet went back 3 years re-establishing the alpine borderlands ! Anet also is 3 years back failing to promote a MOBA map and failing to balance the game (meta braindead warrior build).
I strongly suggest Anet to make sth fast otherwise its true that the PvP section will be deserted soon regardless the solo q removal !
More hyperbole… Once again people are not leaving due to solo queuing.
Your inability to look behind this idea and not taking any criticism is a huge downfall for you in trying to prove a point.
Simply put, your idea is garbage, people have made remarks as to why this is bad (and you haven’t made one valid point as to why it’s good), and you can’t clearly articulate how this will help.
I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.
I have made more than enough valid points NOT point !!!!! But make phokus.8934 you are also unable to understand basic things , saying my point of view is garbage ! Of course I read the criticism but you have never pointed out a point ! just saying MY idea is not good !!! Shortbrained you are , sorry !
And you know what , let an admin pvp from Anet say I am wrong …. We know they read what we write and THEY have the statistics and all data required to prove me wrong … until you or I have statistical facts then you cant say my idea is garbage … I have at least 20 friends that quited pvp due to soloq!
SoloQ can be so frustrating. I just have no idea how people post these winning streaks in soloQ. One guy said he won 60 of 62, one guy 30 of 32. I can’t do it. You just have no control over your team or the opposing team. I’ve won up to 10 in a row in soloQ but that’s it.
I don’t care how good you are, you can not overcome some things. I’m still in sapphire. Last tier, but its not been fun getting there this season. I have lost maybe 1 or 2 matches where I felt like the other team was clearly better. The rest have been matches where my team just gets out rotated. Which I can understand if you’re in a low division like amber or emerald and learning the game, but you’d think that in sapphire people would at least understand the common strategies on the map. It’s not they are bad players at pvp – they often win the fights on point, but it’s that they are so often off of points, wandering around, or getting outnumbered in fights. Any crappy team can win if they +1 or +2 you consistently in every fight.
Any pvp guilds around looking for players? I’d just like some decent players to queue with.
I have made more than enough valid points NOT point !!!!! But make phokus.8934 you are also unable to understand basic things , saying my point of view is garbage ! Of course I read the criticism but you have never pointed out a point ! just saying MY idea is not good !!! Shortbrained you are , sorry !
And you know what , let an admin pvp from Anet say I am wrong …. We know they read what we write and THEY have the statistics and all data required to prove me wrong … until you or I have statistical facts then you cant say my idea is garbage … I have at least 20 friends that quited pvp due to soloq!
No PvP admin is going to respond to this. Their answer will be clear enough in the total disregarding of this crazy suggestion.
I disagree with that … people are leaving , this is a fact ! People are coming in also is a fact … but you cant keep them in cause once they get in solo q they are targets of multiple rages !
Sure, if you get new people and match them against pro teams, so they’ll get wiped, they will likely leave. In your suggestion this is much more likely to happen.
What you should want to happen is something opposite – to make them less likely to end up against an organized group.
They cant get in fresh blood knowing everything ! Training with a team makes new players want to compete !
Yes, you can’t get fresh people and expect them to posess certain level of experience and knowledge right off the bat. Yet somehow you expect them to have enough knowledge and experience to form a team and train in it. That’s not something new players do.
In short, the mode you promote would be only for veteran PvPers.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
I guess we all know that if we can only queue with 5 man in the current mode (conquest) the PvP community will decline very fast.
Other players idea (including me) is to get different game modes like GW 1.
Random Arena = soloQ (team death match)
Hall of Hero’s = 5 man
GvG = 5 man
I dont list the other casual “PvP” modes because they were not competetive.
So except RA, you were forced to get not 5 but 8 people together to play. And it worked super perfect (ask every GW 1 player)
I dont see why those game mode cant be implemented
My idea (link on page one) is surely not perfect but the sad part is that there is no feedback at all (good or bad)
I guess we all know that if we can only queue with 5 man in the current mode (conquest) the PvP community will decline very fast.
Other players idea (including me) is to get different game modes like GW 1.
Random Arena = soloQ (team death match)
Hall of Hero’s = 5 man
GvG = 5 man
I dont list the other casual “PvP” modes because they were not competetive.
So except RA, you were forced to get not 5 but 8 people together to play. And it worked super perfect (ask every GW 1 player)
I dont see why those game mode cant be implemented
My idea (link on page one) is surely not perfect but the sad part is that there is no feedback at all (good or bad)
I always found jade quarry and alliance battles to have the perfect combination of competitiveness and easy going-ness and above all super fun. Those were the funnest 2 pvp modes imo. Hero’s accent would have been more fun if it wasn’t so hard to get into a team, people were very picky about who they let in their teams there.
Dont get me wrong Ellie, jade quarry and alliance battles were fun but not as competetive as GvG. If you wanted to be good at GvG you need a decent team and teamspeak/ventrilo etc to make the right moves at the right time. Jade quarry and alliance battle were max 4 player per team with 3 other 4 man team (totaly random) if I remember correctly. This is more WvW in my opinion.
But that is not my point.
My point is, that this game needs different modes and other incentives (PvP only) to play for.
If you read my idea please let me know what you think
Jade quarry and alliance battles was absolutely NOTHING like wvw O.o WvW is something completely different. JQ and AB was point capturing & defending game modes. In AB you had to form your team and in JQ you just hit enter battle and got put on a random team. But yea neither was anything like wvw whatsoever. WvW is a zerg fest , pretty much just follow the zerg, hit things, and whoever has the biggest zerg wins.
And yea ofc more game modes would be nice, but I have a strong feeling that they just don’t know how to make decent pvp game modes in gw2 so I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for it.
This is the best thread ever speaking the true facts. PvP is a team game and not a solo levelling quest grinding game play! Therefore, there should not be any soloQ in Ranked games but only premade entries.
When people soloQ most of the time there is lack of communication and a single player would like to do what he/she thinks is the best rather what the team wants. This is not meant for Ranked system. A competitive system is a team format and that is how it needs to be played.
Now when people say what about players who duoQ or go in teams of three of four? They will quit? Why they should quit? They should actually find other mates as per their skill level and ambitions and form a team. When players will do it, all that would happen is, Q time would be superfast, and games would be far more interesting rather one sided blowouts. Of course you won’t be facing situations where you would find nubs rushing to double DH in mid and dying instantly or just fighting on the road rather point…if you understand what I mean…
However it would only be successful, if Anet removes all PvE kitten from Ranked system. PvP rewards should be PvP based only with more titles for highest ranks/leagues/divisions climbed etc.
If Anet actually does this, then competitive game mode will just get rejuvenated and interesting for true PvPers.
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This is the best thread ever speaking the true facts. PvP is a team game and not a solo levelling quest grinding game play! Therefore, there should not be any soloQ in Ranked games but only premade entries.
When people soloQ most of the time there is lack of communication and a single player would like to do what he/she thinks is the best rather what the team wants. This is not meant for Ranked system. A competitive system is a team format and that is how it needs to be played.
Now when people say what about players who duoQ or go in teams of three of four? They will quit? Why they should quit? They should actually find other mates as per their skill level and ambitions and form a team. When players will do it, all that would happen is, Q time would be superfast, and games would be far more interesting rather one sided blowouts. Of course you won’t be facing situations where you would find nubs rushing to double DH in mid and dying instantly or just fighting on the road rather point…if you understand what I mean…
However it would only be successful, if Anet removes all PvE kitten from Ranked system. PvP rewards should be PvP based only with more titles for highest ranks/leagues/divisions climbed etc.
If Anet actually does this, then competitive game mode will just get rejuvenated and interesting for true PvPers.
Goodluck with that, tbh I’d like to see them do this just too see how many more people leave pvp xD
But yea the only REAL solution would be to go back to how pvp was in the very beginning whenever solo queue and team queue was split . And un-nerf all the builds that got nerfed into oblivion over the years kitten so we can have a bit of diversity.
And if you want more people in pvp you could always give better rewards, atm there’s not 1 single reward track that I am interested in doing.
First of all its frustrating having a such large conversation and a game admin not to have said something . We really feel we are alone here sometimes .
I d like again to mention Anet made 2 mistakes in HoT :
1) WvW Desert Borderlands —— it killed WvW
2) Stronghold failure (cause you bring in a map and there is no competition / ladder or any support to promote it ) + division solo q (copy from LoL etc ) which made the pvp community growing in rage more n more from season 1 till now !
I am pretty sure that people havent read that well . I dont know why i am exaggerating when people say that players will leave pvp if solo q is removed and I say thats we will have a better / stronger pvp community which will be able to train and recruit more people . Maybe it will be smaller but maybe not , noone can say … But at the moment the pvp community is fragile/corrupted/ill and full in rage between its other …. no teamplay … no good will ….. not enjoyable game style …..
I will also mention the fact that most players that reach legendary usually they stop playing so the q in legendary is long ! The team q in legendary is more than long ……
I cannot stop saying that Conquest PvP Mode requires a team of 5 to be organized enough to compete ! You want to have solo q ? Then import a Deathmatch Mode like people in this thread said ! No Strategy , no map mechanics … just kill each other !!!! Stronghold and Conquest require a team , nothing more nothing less ….
“he first reason is that solo Q is not making people better , only salty and worse and I don’t blame them ! So solo q is making the pvp community worse "
Completely disagree. all of my significant refinement and higher end gameplay growth have been through solo q ranked. I don’t even find those sorts of people to fight against when I do unranked and half the time my team is so uncoordinated that I can’t make the truly stellar coordinated plays that you can knowing you have folks who will do the right thing behind you. I would be nowhere near as good a player without solo q ranked. (not that I’m great, but you can tell when you learn things you wouldn’t have seen otherwise.)
