If they want to keep this game up, they will need to listen to the players, because they make the game for US, and not for themselves; alooooot of people want single queue (at least frees) so they need to add it, asap
Solo Q might equal huge wait times, i think thats the primary concern and its a legit concern.
Tbh, if they made frees 1vs1 and introduced match making, you would get on the whole decent match ups. though obviously now and then youd get stomped. Thing is, even solo vs solo q ull get stomped now and then if you get a bunch of dunces and other team doesnt.
I agree that it would probably grow the playerbase, which is incredibly important if they want the top tier paids to survive. Sacrifice hotjoins, frees, or both, add solo queue, then add some real incentives to PvP and I think we’ll see a LOT more people getting interested in jumping in a few games every night, as well as plenty who are interested in competing at the top level.
I hate to have to make a team or wait five people when i can go solo or even better duo queue with a friend and get ranked for what i can accoblish by that.
Like in LoL you see how many people playing as teams? and how many playing solo or duo when streaming?
Solo and Duo is far better for casual/Hardcore PvPers and Viewers on streams because that way you can talk and explain them how the game works and not hearing you and your team yelling each other what to do or should have done!
Check Lol/Dota streams and see how many are in Team playing when streaming and how many are playing solo or a friend!
Ask anyone if they wanna watch a team stomping any other team or see some competive PvP with equal solo rating players.
When tournaments go live in Lan then they can watch Teams too.
Just added it and you will see lot’s of players play SPvP.
I think as small as the pvp system is in the mists a solo que would be fine
make it:
Paids
Free Tournaments
Solo Tournaments
I think they can have these 3 modes without having to split there player base
Why not just two modes? Solo queue 5v5 and paids 5v5 both rated. Abolish 8v8 and free tourneys. If people wanna do something out of the ordinary host a custom arena to kitten around
If you want to play solo, hotjoins (maybe 5vs5 maps instead of 8vs8 zerg fests) and free tournaments are that way.
You want to play paids? join a pvp guild or form a pug (and with guesting, the “my server’s mist is empty” does not apply anymore)
If you haven’t got the time, or don’t want to put a little of effort in the pvp (which makes you a casual player), stick to the casual side of pvp.
I think as small as the pvp system is in the mists a solo que would be fine
make it:
Paids
Free Tournaments
Solo Tournaments
I think they can have these 3 modes without having to split there player base
Why not just two modes? Solo queue 5v5 and paids 5v5 both rated. Abolish 8v8 and free tourneys. If people wanna do something out of the ordinary host a custom arena to kitten around
Im not making a bloody team so I can play 5v5. And im not playing free tourneys because they take too long. Fix it so people can just form up automatically based on rank. Done.
Ratio of soloers to teams s like 90:10. Why dont they give something to the majority
Good we don’t want you anyway. If your that quick to leave then leave.
I think frees should have a solo queue. I mean they changed their tune when we asked
For the current paid system over and over.
We can hope I guess
FYI they already left, and if you are happy with the tiny playerbase that do exist now… well fine. However, considering the GW2 game model, I think the devs do want more players.
Personally I liked how they did in bloodline champions, dont know if it’s same in the MOBA games… but that there are solo ladder where you get ranks depending on your individual performance in PUGs, and then there are team ladder where the performance are ranked for how well the team does. And then every night there are some tournaments, where the premade teams get to show their strenght for the better rewards. But as a solo player you could play as you pleased and try progress through bronze, silver or whatev.
What I got from the show tonight it seemed like one of the jons was into the idea of having two kind of tournaments, while other jon more wanted the pugs to grind and never progress above mid, facing eachother and the good dudes to fight on the top. Sure, probably might happen… but as it is today you must get a team before you can join and personally I dont think it’s worth it… I have limited gametime and cant spend hours hoping to get a team, I want to queue, get matched and then gtg
Frees should have solo Queue but it wouldnt change the game that much, i mean, in my case i only play few hours after midnight and i wont log in just to do some “Frees” i want to do some Paids and i think on midnight time Solo Queue paids would be usefull, BUT the problem is that ppl wouldnt use TS/Vent if they just solo Queue (Most of them), which would mean team without communication and eventually less competitive than Pugs Team recruited in /map chat.
So i guess its the right pick if they want a competitive community, force them to make a Team if they want to be competitive.
If you want to play solo, hotjoins (maybe 5vs5 maps instead of 8vs8 zerg fests) and free tournaments are that way.
You want to play paids? join a pvp guild or form a pug (and with guesting, the “my server’s mist is empty” does not apply anymore)
If you haven’t got the time, or don’t want to put a little of effort in the pvp (which makes you a casual player), stick to the casual side of pvp.
If that would be fine already noone would discuss this. However people dont want to pug paids, people are tired of frees and hotjoin and they left the game. The current model is lacking and you can say “accept that”, but the big issue in this game… if you have missed it, it’s that the pvp players left the building… and you can stand and say “accept that” to those few remaining players but it doesnt improve the game nor increase the playerbase
I think as small as the pvp system is in the mists a solo que would be fine
make it:
Paids
Free Tournaments
Solo Tournaments
I think they can have these 3 modes without having to split there player base
Why not just two modes? Solo queue 5v5 and paids 5v5 both rated. Abolish 8v8 and free tourneys. If people wanna do something out of the ordinary host a custom arena to kitten around
I think as small as the pvp system is in the mists a solo que would be fine
make it:
Paids
Free Tournaments
Solo Tournaments
I think they can have these 3 modes without having to split there player base
We don’t need 3 mods. Free or Solo que tournaments is the same for me.
I think that could help people if we have transition between the 8vs8 FFA and the paid tournament. That’s were the solo / duo que is interesting.
Servers are not realy lively to find a team right now in the chat. So what can we do if we want to play tournaments? I can stay 2hours in the heart of the mist and see no one asking or propose to go to tournaments.
We are in 2013 every multiplayer game who wants to be an Esport game must have a solo que. Look at LoL or recently with CS:GO ..
And the most important people wanna play for FUN and quickly.. Free tournaments are not fun if you are alone or just with a friend if you ahave ton find a group before to go. And 8v8 or 5v5 FFA doesn’t have a lot of interest to me.
The Thing is ppl, if you add 2 modes…..for paids one of them will become more popular and eventually abolish the other with our actual amount of PvP players….
In this case….since there is way more Casuals than nolifers, Solo Queue would be the popular Tournament and there wouldnt be really a reason to make a Team which would make Paid TvT tournys kind useless or boring with long Queue times…
I do solo/duo queue frees and it’s fine. Rarely get stomped by a full guild team. Often get third round and even have a decent shot at taking first. At least until the good teams start running out of tickets and have to farm more (which will hopefully be avoided by whatever reward changes are incoming), frees are pretty solid.
Solo paids might work too. I have a ton of tickets, but I don’t run with a team/guild. I would like to use my tickets to pvp with serious players who run soloq and maybe find a team that way. But I’m perfectly happy with just soloq frees. Tired of 4v5 or pug vs premade. It should be pug vs pug or premade vs premade.
Making frees 1t vs 1 team would boost the rate of people quing so much that it would, in pratical effect become largely a solo/duo Q thing.
YOu woudlnt constantly run into premades.
trust me. you DON’T want to solo queue paids… lol.
not only will you get stomped hard, but no one will learn anything and the lack of competition will remain.
Solo rated queue means you can queue up solo for a pvp and your performance is rated compared to other pvp players, not solo queue for paids to play against people who team queued. Its pug vs pug rated, everyone gets same chance at victory, no new team against experienced teams, no pugs vs premades.
Other type of queue option would be team vs team rated with rewards for winners
( other than rating).
Not enough of the player base because if you dont have a team you have no chance to compete in this game atm. Rated solo queues would give people, new players especially, a chance to compete with other players on equal therms ( no pug vs premade, no new team vs veterans), to have fun and to learn the game and to have some sense of progress from playing pvp, to find people similar to them and maybe join up with them and compete as a team for a chance to win rewards in team queue tournaments. How is that worse than what we have now?
Not enough of the player base because if you dont have a team you have no chance to compete in this game atm. Rated solo queues would give people, new players especially, a chance to compete with other players on equal therms ( no pug vs premade, no new team vs veterans), to have fun and to learn the game and to have some sense of progress from playing pvp, to find people similar to them and maybe join up with them and compete as a team for a chance to win rewards in team queue tournaments. How is that worse than what we have now?
Honestly I think tickets should be optional. You use tickets to amp up the rewards returned. As an example, in 1v1 you can enter with or without tickets at your choice. If you win with tickets you get a gold chest, but if you lose you get a silver chest. Conversely, if you don’t pay then you get a copper chest for winning and not a thing if you lose.
Maybe im wrong. I guess the issue is you would have
1. Solo/duo ( should allow duos thats hardly swinging things) Q frees.
2. Premade frees.
3. Premade paids.
Its 2 that would be in trouble. They would HAVE TO make frees 1 team vs 1 team like they did with paids.
Premade frees are pointless , they only serve as a grinding spot for tickets (bad) or a place for premades to practice ( stomp pugs most of the time-bad).
There should only be solo rated and team rated queues where only reward is ladder rating, then weekly monthly and yearly solo and team tournaments ( monthly and yearly tournaments possibly with qualifier rounds based on ladder rating if you have limited amount of spots for tournament) with entry fee and proper rewards for winners ( improved team ladder standing, unique pets, titles,armor and weapon skins game shop items etc).
For practice you would have rented arenas. Perfect.
Maybe im wrong. I guess the issue is you would have
1. Solo/duo ( should allow duos thats hardly swinging things) Q frees.
2. Premade frees.
3. Premade paids.
Its 2 that would be in trouble. They would HAVE TO make frees 1 team vs 1 team like they did with paids.
Premade frees are pointless , they only serve as a grinding spot for tickets (bad) or a place for premades to practice ( stomp pugs most of the time-bad).
There should only be solo rated and team rated queues where only reward is ladder rating, then weekly monthly and yearly solo and team tournaments ( monthly and yearly tournaments possibly with qualifier rounds based on ladder rating if you have limited amount of spots for tournament) with entry fee and proper rewards for winners ( improved team ladder standing, unique pets, titles,armor and weapon skins game shop items etc).
For practice you would have rented arenas. Perfect.
We dont have rented arenas, and i dont know how much that will work its hard to find 5 people let alone 10. New teams getting trown into paids for there first experience ever of being a 5 man team=a situation every bit as bad as solo quers running into premades now. It will be a complete mismatch facestomp.
Maybe im wrong. I guess the issue is you would have
1. Solo/duo ( should allow duos thats hardly swinging things) Q frees.
2. Premade frees.
3. Premade paids.
Its 2 that would be in trouble. They would HAVE TO make frees 1 team vs 1 team like they did with paids.
Premade frees are pointless , they only serve as a grinding spot for tickets (bad) or a place for premades to practice ( stomp pugs most of the time-bad).
There should only be solo rated and team rated queues where only reward is ladder rating, then weekly monthly and yearly solo and team tournaments ( monthly and yearly tournaments possibly with qualifier rounds based on ladder rating if you have limited amount of spots for tournament) with entry fee and proper rewards for winners ( improved team ladder standing, unique pets, titles,armor and weapon skins game shop items etc).
For practice you would have rented arenas. Perfect.
We dont have rented arenas, and i dont know how much that will work its hard to find 5 people let alone 10. New teams getting throne into paids for there first experience ever of being a 5 man team=a situation everybit as bad as solo quers running into premades now. It will be a complete mismatch facestomp.
So add matchmaking based on ladder rating to solo and team queues. Solved.
my theory is that anet has creating this debate on solo q so they can get ideas on what to do….I am on to you Jonathan sharp….its a conspiracy i tell you!!!!!!
Maybe im wrong. I guess the issue is you would have
1. Solo/duo ( should allow duos thats hardly swinging things) Q frees.
2. Premade frees.
3. Premade paids.
Its 2 that would be in trouble. They would HAVE TO make frees 1 team vs 1 team like they did with paids.
Premade frees are pointless , they only serve as a grinding spot for tickets (bad) or a place for premades to practice ( stomp pugs most of the time-bad).
There should only be solo rated and team rated queues where only reward is ladder rating, then weekly monthly and yearly solo and team tournaments ( monthly and yearly tournaments possibly with qualifier rounds based on ladder rating if you have limited amount of spots for tournament) with entry fee and proper rewards for winners ( improved team ladder standing, unique pets, titles,armor and weapon skins game shop items etc).
For practice you would have rented arenas. Perfect.
We dont have rented arenas, and i dont know how much that will work its hard to find 5 people let alone 10. New teams getting throne into paids for there first experience ever of being a 5 man team=a situation everybit as bad as solo quers running into premades now. It will be a complete mismatch facestomp.
So add matchmaking based on ladder rating to solo and team queues. Solved.
Paids require tickets which means that new teams who dont have a stockpile of tickets would have to divide time between solo quing trying to win tickets and then praticing. People shouldnt be forced to solo Q to team Q. Terrible idea for casual teams.
Maybe im wrong. I guess the issue is you would have
1. Solo/duo ( should allow duos thats hardly swinging things) Q frees.
2. Premade frees.
3. Premade paids.
Its 2 that would be in trouble. They would HAVE TO make frees 1 team vs 1 team like they did with paids.
Premade frees are pointless , they only serve as a grinding spot for tickets (bad) or a place for premades to practice ( stomp pugs most of the time-bad).
There should only be solo rated and team rated queues where only reward is ladder rating, then weekly monthly and yearly solo and team tournaments ( monthly and yearly tournaments possibly with qualifier rounds based on ladder rating if you have limited amount of spots for tournament) with entry fee and proper rewards for winners ( improved team ladder standing, unique pets, titles,armor and weapon skins game shop items etc).
For practice you would have rented arenas. Perfect.
We dont have rented arenas, and i dont know how much that will work its hard to find 5 people let alone 10. New teams getting throne into paids for there first experience ever of being a 5 man team=a situation everybit as bad as solo quers running into premades now. It will be a complete mismatch facestomp.
So add matchmaking based on ladder rating to solo and team queues. Solved.
Paids require tickets which means that new teams who dont have a stockpile of tickets would have to divide time between solo quing trying to win tickets and then praticing. People shouldnt be forced to solo Q to team Q. Terrible idea for casual teams.
There would be no paids, only solo and team queue with ladder rating as only reward, and then weekly, monthly and yearly “paid” tournaments with entry fee. You could save tickets from daily, monthly rewards to participate in these tournaments.
Thats quite a radical change. Hmm.
I assume you mean solo/duo Q.
Id have to think about that.
Yes, i means solo/ duo queue vs solo/duo, and team vs team queue. Both would have separate ladders ( same as sc/hc ladders in arpg games).You would earn tickets for tournaments by login in every day and completing your daily,monthly pvp achievements but if you cant login every day there would be option to buy them too, so you could buy tickets to participate or just wait next week when you have enough tickets, there would be no grind ( because you dont just play pvp for ticket you also play for your ladder rating) and buying would be completely optional.
I dont know, but this sounds good to me and is way better than what we have now imo.
See thats my issue right there Khyras. I feel a casual player should be able to just play with his friends on a team any time he wants. Not have to solo Q or spend real cash to buy tickets so he can do team games.
that would be the worst barrier to entry, and the barriers to entry is where some of the biggest mistakes in spvp have come from.
If they do solo/duo Q. Something has to be done about the whole free/paid distinction.
SOme pve guild that has never done spvp and want to try it should be able to go in and Q up as a bunch of friends in a mmr system as a full team together. .
Dont force people to grind or spend real cash just to be able to play with a team of friends.
