Guild Wars 2

I’ve noticed that post-patch there’s an influx of condition based rangers / necros / mesmers swarming the games, largely running annoying tanky builds that rely on gimmicks to kill you (broken burning / pet burst / being necro).

I’m glad mesmer stealth and ele were toned down but — and I may be biased because I’m mostly playing a (non-burn) guardian — it’s really frustrating to play against them, given how it feels like a lot of those builds don’t really need to sacrifice much to blow you up while not being very vulnerable to damage themselves. I run 4 condi cleanses and I still can’t really deal with it, because once my cleanses are gone those players can still spam condi-based damage that’s as high -- if not more so — as my marauder greatsword burst, while having much more utility and superior defenses.

Is it just me being bad, or is there more to my gut feeling? =o

Go burn or go home.

Necro probably came to try their improved scepter. Believe me it’s not OP.
Ranger probably came to try the condi damage on their pet. Don’t think it’s OP, but haven’t tried.
Mesmers… nope, I don’t see why it would be.

Kinda you being bad if a Necro is bursting you that hard. Condi necro really doesn’t have burst ability.

Lol, these threads…

Paper: Wow, Scissors are really strong. Is there anything I can do to fight back or are they too strong?

Rock and Scissors: Scissors are fine, honestly. You obviously just need to l2p.

To answer your question, condi builds have always been a guardian’s weakness, especially necros with their unblockable skills and boon corruption (since guardians rely heavily on boons). If you played necro you would have no problem at all with condis, but you’d have a harder time with high burst and CC-oriented classes.

It’s not a l2p issue, this just happens to be your build’s weakness. It’s not broken or OP because those condi builds have weaknesses of their own (professions with high burst, high condi removal/immunity/transfer, high CC, etc). If you want to be able to beat them by yourself you’ll need to try a different build/profession, though.

Kako.1930:

Lol, these threads…

Paper: Wow, Scissors are really strong. Is there anything I can do to fight back or are they too strong?

Rock and Scissors: Scissors are fine, honestly. You obviously just need to l2p.

To answer your question, condi builds have always been a guardian’s weakness, especially necros with their unblockable skills and boon corruption (since guardians rely heavily on boons). If you played necro you would have no problem at all with condis, but you’d have a harder time with high burst and CC-oriented classes.

It’s not a l2p issue, this just happens to be your build’s weakness. It’s not broken or OP because those condi builds have weaknesses of their own (professions with high burst, high condi removal/immunity/transfer, high CC, etc). If you want to be able to beat them by yourself you’ll need to try a different build/profession, though.

Actually condi specs are just easier to play by nature because you always get a defensive stat with your amulet. In the past, that was fine because a condi spec would be more defensive but their offense would be attrition based. Now they can spec defensive AND have the largest burst in the game.

So what prof / build is doing well vs heavy condi pressure? Preferably one that can kill people, rather than act as nothing but condi-cleanse-bot (like shoutbow)

Erindriel.2351:

So what prof / build is doing well vs heavy condi pressure? Preferably one that can kill people, rather than act as nothing but condi-cleanse-bot (like shoutbow)

Necro. Transfer their own condi’s back and watch them burn.

Puck.9612:

Erindriel.2351:

So what prof / build is doing well vs heavy condi pressure? Preferably one that can kill people, rather than act as nothing but condi-cleanse-bot (like shoutbow)

Necro. Transfer their own condi’s back and watch them burn.

To be fair, this is nothing new. Necros have always been extremely strong against condi builds.

Other than that, Stance Warriors do a pretty good job with high cleansing ability and good damage. D/D celementalists do pretty well against condis, too.

style.6173:

Kako.1930:

Lol, these threads…

Paper: Wow, Scissors are really strong. Is there anything I can do to fight back or are they too strong?

Rock and Scissors: Scissors are fine, honestly. You obviously just need to l2p.

To answer your question, condi builds have always been a guardian’s weakness, especially necros with their unblockable skills and boon corruption (since guardians rely heavily on boons). If you played necro you would have no problem at all with condis, but you’d have a harder time with high burst and CC-oriented classes.

It’s not a l2p issue, this just happens to be your build’s weakness. It’s not broken or OP because those condi builds have weaknesses of their own (professions with high burst, high condi removal/immunity/transfer, high CC, etc). If you want to be able to beat them by yourself you’ll need to try a different build/profession, though.

Actually condi specs are just easier to play by nature because you always get a defensive stat with your amulet. In the past, that was fine because a condi spec would be more defensive but their offense would be attrition based. Now they can spec defensive AND have the largest burst in the game.

@Style : This is not true for every build , being a multiclass player and playing pvp since release , I can obviously say condition necro is harder to play than the cele necro, Same i pref runing marauder engi or Soldier engi, than condition engi it’s way more effective and is way more surviable in Spvp.

Some Condition build have lower skill cap , but are far less usefull to a team than a good setup and experienced players know how to counter these builds. (Condi thief , Condi mes …)

And the only condition that can bring close to a marauder class burst is probably burning wich is restricted to the verry glassy FT burst condi engineer and burn guardian. (both classes are great at +1 , lose efficiency in team fights , and aren’t Op duelists.)

NB : I saw some one saying Necro wasn’t a burst condi class , it actualy is , i din’t try the new scepter change yet but necro had poor sustained condition damage but a realy hard hitting and difficult to remove condition burst (Terror+3 tourment + poison + 16 bleeds + Condition coverage.) —> that’s the reason the first dhumfire was nerfed cause it was litteraly melting people witht that extra – 630 HP/S.