Guild Wars 2

Mainly since the introduction of HoT, shorter cooldown skills and passive traits have been dominating the PvP scene. This needs to stop if PvP is ever going to be truly skill based! Having so many short cooldown skills removes punishment for wasting them, as there are always many more that can be used. This means that by the time a few other skills have been used, the skill that was wasted is off cooldown because of how short it is. Coupling with the heaps of passive traits allows people to spam skills with little worry of dying since their passive procs will just save them. Every class in the game has passive traits (some more than others) that need to be removed or reworked since they are to effective and can even sway the outcome of a fight. All this reduces the separation between good and bad players. A bad player spamming skills is almost as effective, if not as effective as a good player using their skills in a smart way. This is NOT how pvp should be and this only makes pvp less fun for everyone.

Granted things have gotten better from season 1 to season 2 but there is still a long way to go till PvP is balanced (not truly balanced since that’s impossible but as close as an MMO can get).

short cd skills makes the game faster paced which is good but it becomes a problem when they become too effective. agreed there are too many very effective passives.

So you have a video of you 1v1ing Nos, right? Just spam to win.

Call me crazy but I do not think someone spamming the keyboard is going to defeat me and my dragon hunter.

This meta is stupid, it’s all about spamming condi AOEs and CC to win.

Fluffball.8307:

So you have a video of you 1v1ing Nos, right? Just spam to win.

He is right, and this is a weak argument.

Just reduce the massive CC spam, condi spam, boon spam, AoE spam, rework combo fields and finishers, put more focus on them and suddenly everything’s bueno. :^)

Quadox.7834:

Fluffball.8307:

So you have a video of you 1v1ing Nos, right? Just spam to win.

He is right, and this is a weak argument.

Do you mean I’m right? Or OP is right and you can 1v1 even moderately competent players while just spamming? I assume you mean I’m right because I clearly am.

Fluffball.8307:

Quadox.7834:

Fluffball.8307:

So you have a video of you 1v1ing Nos, right? Just spam to win.

He is right, and this is a weak argument.

Do you mean I’m right? Or OP is right and you can 1v1 even moderately competent players while just spamming? I assume you mean I’m right because I clearly am.

I don’t think you have played many other games than gw2 if you don’t see how much spamming is going on on certain classes right now.

Quadox.7834:

I don’t think you have played many other games than gw2 if you don’t see how much spamming is going on on certain classes right now.

Ok, but that’s not what the topic is. You’re going to lose 100% of your fights to mediocre players if you’re just smashing buttons. There can’t be a meaningful discussion about “spam” when people are saying quote: “A bad player spamming skills is almost as effective, if not as effective as a good player using their skills in a smart way.” That’s clearly not even remotely accurate.

This thread is a joke.

Spamming skills is suboptimal on all classes. There is a reason none of the high level players spam.

The reason it occurs is that there is such a insane level of complexity in this game combat that 95% of the playerbase has nfc what they are doing and as such revert to spamming what they do know how to do.

Like how hardly anyone knows how to utilize combo fields properly and as such just spam fields and finishers around with little thought.

Another way to prove spamming doesn’t work: Go to gw2efficiency.com and compare stats on your main to stats on classes you don’t know as well. I have ~60% win rate on my main and ~23% win rate on some others. My rotations are the same, only difference is I’m not using the skills properly.

Good players DO spam, though. Helseth complained on his stream, for instance, that teamfights are just spam and that the game now promotes using most skills off cooldown because it is more efficient than saving them. An example he gave was Chillblains. A long time ago, it was apparently saved for warriors just for the movement slowdown part. Powercreep etc. has changed this significantly. We are not talking about spamming your defensive utilities here, i don’t imagine.

Man, if you’re saying spamming skills is effective it says more about you than what you’re complaining about. The tried and true counter to spam in any genre is to reposition yourself to exploit his predictable behavior and in MMO’s the advantage is even bigger because there are checkguards that exists such as energy and cooldowns that prevent true spam. Just wait for his energy or big skills to go on cooldown and then burst away. Safe conservative play beats spammers.

1v1 is not spam.

Teamfights, on the other hand… there’s no way a player can see/understand everything that happens in a 4v4 with all the skills used and graphical effects blowing all around.

Is people kittened or what? OP doesnt refers pressing 1 to 0 and repeat, but the fact that for example I can miss a whole electro-whirl and I will be low punished for it cause it just have a 4s cd, while the skill does huge dmg and brings utility. Meanwhile, on a teamfight I have 0 reasons to not spam this skill off cd cause I will prob not need the missil reflect and even if I dont take 100% profit of the dmg after a few seconds I will have it off cd again.

I would like to clarify a point as many of you are missing it. I am not saying that spamming will allow you to win every fight but only that is is far to effective if someone is to do it. As stated “A bad player spamming skills is almost as effective, if not as effective as a good player using their skills in a smart way.” the key words being “almost as effective”, as in not as effective. Also yes, sometimes it is more effective to spam skills. If you disagree then you clearly have never played reaper spamming marks on a team fight or a scrapper spamming their hammer skills and healing skill if they get low. Also when using rev, there are very few situations when u want to not use precision strike off cooldown. All of those I have done, in diamond no less, and it is way to effective.

So yes, spamming is not the key to 100% victory but it is way more effective than it has the right to be.

Krysard.1364:

Is people kittened or what? OP doesnt refers pressing 1 to 0 and repeat, but the fact that for example I can miss a whole electro-whirl and I will be low punished for it cause it just have a 4s cd, while the skill does huge dmg and brings utility. Meanwhile, on a teamfight I have 0 reasons to not spam this skill off cd cause I will prob not need the missil reflect and even if I dont take 100% profit of the dmg after a few seconds I will have it off cd again.

Exactly. The damage of using it off cooldown (spamming) is a greater reward then saving it to reflect key skills.