Q:
Standard meta thief paid tourny builds?
thieves are very powerful in paids. We bring burst and very reliable resurrects as long as your teammate doesn’t attack when you cloak them. we can turn the tied by killing specific targets and pressuring people so that they cannot put out there full damage. The standard build is 25/30/0/0/15 dagger dagger short bow. i cant remember each trait number off the top of my head but all of the trait choices will make sense to do maximum dmg. You can also run this build with dagger/pistol. I run a deferent build with dagger pistol shown in my signature. Message me in game if you want the full trait setup.
i will always try to help people in game. I am not on the forum too much.
One hope, One dream, One Dagger Thief
K U R A Enguard [ENG], Pretty Princess Squad [MEN]
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Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Crs Helseth, Mesmer for Team Curse
Crs Helseth, Mesmer for Team Curse
One hope, One dream, One Dagger Thief
K U R A Enguard [ENG], Pretty Princess Squad [MEN]
K U R A Enguard [ENG], Pretty Princess Squad [MEN]
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
outdps’es and outlives glass cannons with builds such as 25/30/0/0/15 sadly people think building hightest dmg is through dmg lines such as deadly arts
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
(edited by Stin.9781)
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
runes of stenght 10/30/30/0/0
utlitys smoke screeen/shadow refuge Stack smoke screen at start of game aoe stealth all team for 12 seconds geneating your might stacks, by the time you arrive for first teamfight you will have 3100 attack from gear/traits and 12×35 extra from might stacks extra. If you survive to get 25 stacks of might you will be capable of unkeeping 12 stacks of might all of the time. + 250 attack from bloodlust.
That is 3100+250+12x35=3770 personal attack you can always unkeep.
Your overal stats will be 3800 attack. 49% crit chance 2300 armor 15k hp and passive 330 hp per second healing while stealthed. Your stealths will remove conditions, heal you and last longer this way. And it will refund innitiative. This way you have 4 active and 1 passive way to stealth. If you feel like taking assasins signet/haste you can mug>CnD>backstab combo for around 20k dmg on other glass cannons. Even withouth hiting backstab you will hit around 11k. You can get full innitiative back with shadow refuge in 4 seconds. as each pulse counts for stealth=2 innitaitive.
4 pulses =8 innitiative back + 3 innitiative from natural regeneration making up to 11 innitiative back in 4 seconds. Along wiht 12 might stacks and basicly at least 2 conditions remove, up to 5 if you stay whole duration.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
(edited by Stin.9781)
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
runes of stenght 10/30/30/0/0
utlitys smoke screeen/shadow refuge Stack smoke screen at start of game aoe stealth all team for 12 seconds geneating your might stacks, by the time you arrive for first teamfight you will have 3100 attack from gear/traits and 12×35 extra from might stacks extra. If you survive to get 25 stacks of might you will be capable of unkeeping 12 stacks of might all of the time. + 250 attack from bloodlust.
That is 3100+250+12x35=3770 personal attack you can always unkeep.
Your overal stats will be 3800 attack. 49% crit chance 2300 armor 15k hp and passive 330 hp per second healing while stealthed. Your stealths will remove conditions, heal you and last longer this way. And it will refund innitiative. This way you have 4 active and 1 passive way to stealth. If you feel like taking assasins signet/haste you can mug>CnD>backstab combo for around 20k dmg on other glass cannons. Even withouth hiting backstab you will hit around 11k. You can get full innitiative back with shadow refuge in 4 seconds. as each pulse counts for stealth=2 innitaitive.
4 pulses =8 innitiative back + 3 innitiative from natural regeneration making up to 11 innitiative back in 4 seconds. Along wiht 12 might stacks and basicly at least 2 conditions remove, up to 5 if you stay whole duration.
That was the almighty S/D build ( Q_Q).
The reason why this build is not that good, now that S/D has been crushed to hell, is that it relies on heavy stealth uptime to be effective, basically you need to “build up” your burst, which is not always available from the start of the fight.
Moreover, you can’t cap while stealthed.
Moreover, you lose 20 % damage from scholar runes bonus, dagger training and exposed weakness ( you regen health constantly, i would prefer scholar runes even with your build).
It’s a very solid build, but current meta is too bursty to have to “wait” in order to build up your damage ( altough i very much prefer those builds instead of the “BAMM dead” builds).
I would go with D/P, for easier access to stealth, anyway.
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
runes of stenght 10/30/30/0/0
utlitys smoke screeen/shadow refuge Stack smoke screen at start of game aoe stealth all team for 12 seconds geneating your might stacks, by the time you arrive for first teamfight you will have 3100 attack from gear/traits and 12×35 extra from might stacks extra. If you survive to get 25 stacks of might you will be capable of unkeeping 12 stacks of might all of the time. + 250 attack from bloodlust.
That is 3100+250+12x35=3770 personal attack you can always unkeep.
Your overal stats will be 3800 attack. 49% crit chance 2300 armor 15k hp and passive 330 hp per second healing while stealthed. Your stealths will remove conditions, heal you and last longer this way. And it will refund innitiative. This way you have 4 active and 1 passive way to stealth. If you feel like taking assasins signet/haste you can mug>CnD>backstab combo for around 20k dmg on other glass cannons. Even withouth hiting backstab you will hit around 11k. You can get full innitiative back with shadow refuge in 4 seconds. as each pulse counts for stealth=2 innitaitive.
4 pulses =8 innitiative back + 3 innitiative from natural regeneration making up to 11 innitiative back in 4 seconds. Along wiht 12 might stacks and basicly at least 2 conditions remove, up to 5 if you stay whole duration.That was the almighty S/D build ( Q_Q).
The reason why this build is not that good, now that S/D has been crushed to hell, is that it relies on heavy stealth uptime to be effective, basically you need to “build up” your burst, which is not always available from the start of the fight.
Moreover, you can’t cap while stealthed.Moreover, you lose 20 % damage from scholar runes bonus, dagger training and exposed weakness ( you regen health constantly, i would prefer scholar runes even with your build).
It’s a very solid build, but current meta is too bursty to have to “wait” in order to build up your damage ( altough i very much prefer those builds instead of the “BAMM dead” builds).
I would go with D/P, for easier access to stealth, anyway.
Runes of strenght add 5% damage while affected by might=always so it compensates for dagger training. I cant go s/d as it lacks any reasonable finisher moves, making dagger more effective in this case. Building up damage is not neccesary if you just dont let go of it from the start. D/P fits keeping that 12 mights up perfectly, however it has no straightforward damage to eliminate people in combat. The team i run with, mostly runs with 2 thieves so i dont have problem keeping my damage caped with permanent 12 stacks of might. Along with ele auras im ussualy sitting at 4000~ attack.
And about caping points :/. It is very reasonable not to ask thief to cap the point or at least not to defend it so stealth doesnt matter in the end. And well,`Since im basicly invisible unless i end up in encounter with someone, (19 seconds from smoke screen on 30 seconds cd lets you unkeep 12 stacks of might alone + it lets you pick targets on demand since 60% of time you are invisible.
Anyways noone said anything bad about me playing this build in tourneys, and i win most fights vs other roamers even if its thief. Since thief with more innitiative will win taking that we are equaly skilled. But my build has superior stealth/innitiative regen/healing. His build based on instagib cannot win encounters where i can stealth + regenerate innitiative twice at his rate.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
runes of stenght 10/30/30/0/0
utlitys smoke screeen/shadow refuge Stack smoke screen at start of game aoe stealth all team for 12 seconds geneating your might stacks, by the time you arrive for first teamfight you will have 3100 attack from gear/traits and 12×35 extra from might stacks extra. If you survive to get 25 stacks of might you will be capable of unkeeping 12 stacks of might all of the time. + 250 attack from bloodlust.
That is 3100+250+12x35=3770 personal attack you can always unkeep.
Your overal stats will be 3800 attack. 49% crit chance 2300 armor 15k hp and passive 330 hp per second healing while stealthed. Your stealths will remove conditions, heal you and last longer this way. And it will refund innitiative. This way you have 4 active and 1 passive way to stealth. If you feel like taking assasins signet/haste you can mug>CnD>backstab combo for around 20k dmg on other glass cannons. Even withouth hiting backstab you will hit around 11k. You can get full innitiative back with shadow refuge in 4 seconds. as each pulse counts for stealth=2 innitaitive.
4 pulses =8 innitiative back + 3 innitiative from natural regeneration making up to 11 innitiative back in 4 seconds. Along wiht 12 might stacks and basicly at least 2 conditions remove, up to 5 if you stay whole duration.That was the almighty S/D build ( Q_Q).
The reason why this build is not that good, now that S/D has been crushed to hell, is that it relies on heavy stealth uptime to be effective, basically you need to “build up” your burst, which is not always available from the start of the fight.
Moreover, you can’t cap while stealthed.Moreover*, you lose 20 % damage from scholar runes bonus*, dagger training and exposed weakness ( you regen health constantly, i would prefer scholar runes even with your build).
It’s a very solid build, but current meta is too bursty to have to “wait” in order to build up your damage ( altough i very much prefer those builds instead of the “BAMM dead” builds).
I would go with D/P, for easier access to stealth, anyway.
How come you’re saying its 20% Based on my calculations i win around 5% damage below 90% and lose about same 5% while above 90%.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
Im proly only thief rolling 3800 attack build
build or didnt happens
runes of stenght 10/30/30/0/0
utlitys smoke screeen/shadow refuge Stack smoke screen at start of game aoe stealth all team for 12 seconds geneating your might stacks, by the time you arrive for first teamfight you will have 3100 attack from gear/traits and 12×35 extra from might stacks extra. If you survive to get 25 stacks of might you will be capable of unkeeping 12 stacks of might all of the time. + 250 attack from bloodlust.
That is 3100+250+12x35=3770 personal attack you can always unkeep.
Your overal stats will be 3800 attack. 49% crit chance 2300 armor 15k hp and passive 330 hp per second healing while stealthed. Your stealths will remove conditions, heal you and last longer this way. And it will refund innitiative. This way you have 4 active and 1 passive way to stealth. If you feel like taking assasins signet/haste you can mug>CnD>backstab combo for around 20k dmg on other glass cannons. Even withouth hiting backstab you will hit around 11k. You can get full innitiative back with shadow refuge in 4 seconds. as each pulse counts for stealth=2 innitaitive.
4 pulses =8 innitiative back + 3 innitiative from natural regeneration making up to 11 innitiative back in 4 seconds. Along wiht 12 might stacks and basicly at least 2 conditions remove, up to 5 if you stay whole duration.That was the almighty S/D build ( Q_Q).
The reason why this build is not that good, now that S/D has been crushed to hell, is that it relies on heavy stealth uptime to be effective, basically you need to “build up” your burst, which is not always available from the start of the fight.
Moreover, you can’t cap while stealthed.Moreover, you lose 20 % damage from scholar runes bonus, dagger training and exposed weakness ( you regen health constantly, i would prefer scholar runes even with your build).
It’s a very solid build, but current meta is too bursty to have to “wait” in order to build up your damage ( altough i very much prefer those builds instead of the “BAMM dead” builds).
I would go with D/P, for easier access to stealth, anyway.
Runes of strenght add 5% damage while affected by might=always so it compensates for dagger training. I cant go s/d as it lacks any reasonable finisher moves, making dagger more effective in this case. Building up damage is not neccesary if you just dont let go of it from the start. D/P fits keeping that 12 mights up perfectly, however it has no straightforward damage to eliminate people in combat. The team i run with, mostly runs with 2 thieves so i dont have problem keeping my damage caped with permanent 12 stacks of might. Along with ele auras im ussualy sitting at 4000~ attack.
And about caping points :/. It is very reasonable not to ask thief to cap the point or at least not to defend it so stealth doesnt matter in the end. And well,`Since im basicly invisible unless i end up in encounter with someone, (19 seconds from smoke screen on 30 seconds cd lets you unkeep 12 stacks of might alone + it lets you pick targets on demand since 60% of time you are invisible.
Anyways noone said anything bad about me playing this build in tourneys, and i win most fights vs other roamers even if its thief. Since thief with more innitiative will win taking that we are equaly skilled. But my build has superior stealth/innitiative regen/healing. His build based on instagib cannot win encounters where i can stealth + regenerate innitiative twice at his rate.
Roaming thief builds are not meant to win 1vs1 fights, and should never stick to them: stealth/shadowstep away and go to another place.
The reason why your build ( that was the standard S/D build before nerf, or the D/P variant) is “not meta fit” is because you lose 20% burst damage in order to obtain super survivability and great 1vs1 capabilities.
Again, i like 10-30-30 builds by far, no matters what weapon i choose, but for tourneys it’s SLIGHTLY sub par to the standard burst thief build, simply because a thief is not meant to stick to prolonged fights ( an environment where that build really shines), unless you’re running a balanced strat.
But balanced strats are sub-par in current meta ( lulz at aNet balancing).
Again, i’m not saying that build is bad ( infact, it’s a great build), but simply is not the best choice for a thief.
Currently.
Maybe in the future it will be different , and i really hope so .
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
How come you’re saying its 20% Based on my calculations i win around 5% damage below 90% and lose about same 5% while above 90%.
Dagger trianing pairs with your rune effect ( 5% more damage when under might)
You lose scholar bonus + exposed weakness + flanking strike ( trickery VI trait, another one you lose in your build) = 25 % flat damage + 8 % critical damage from runes.
With a 10-30-30 build you’re going to keep frequently 10-12 might stacks ( 350-420 power) , anyway you already lose 150 power from traits ( DA), so you effectively gain only 200-270 power ( around 5 % damage ).
So overall, where you backstab hits for 6 k, mine would hit for 7.8 k ( + 20 % damage + 8% critical damage).
It’s huge.
I would’t say i always got scholars bonus tbh also 300 attack equals almost 15% incrase.
Tests on heavy golem steady weapeons(not taken by me) 2004 power=91 damage on autoattack(no traits)
2304 power=105 damage
300 attack basicly equals 300 power so damage incrase is 15%.)
basicly the diffrence would be 8% critical damage. If you have above 90% hp you outdps me if not you dont.
Also my damage does not ask me to stand behind or have 90% + hp. Its has less variables to count in.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43
(edited by Stin.9781)
How come you’re saying its 20% Based on my calculations i win around 5% damage below 90% and lose about same 5% while above 90%.
Dagger trianing pairs with your rune effect ( 5% more damage when under might)
You lose scholar bonus + exposed weakness + flanking strike ( trickery VI trait, another one you lose in your build) = 25 % flat damage + 8 % critical damage from runes.
With a 10-30-30 build you’re going to keep frequently 10-12 might stacks ( 350-420 power) , anyway you already lose 150 power from traits ( DA), so you effectively gain only 200-270 power ( around 5 % damage ).
So overall, where you backstab hits for 6 k, mine would hit for 7.8 k ( + 20 % damage + 8% critical damage).
It’s huge.
I would’t say i always got scholars bonus tbh also 300 attack equals almost 15% incrase
Tests on heavy golem steady weapeons(not taken by me) 2004 power=91 damage on autoattack(no traits)
2304 power=105 damage300 attack basicly equals 300 power so damage incrase is 15%.
basicly the diffrence would be 8% critical damage. If you have above 90% hp you outdps me if not you dont.
Also my damage does not ask me to stand behind or have 90% + hp. Its has less variables to count in.
But in fact you have 200 more power ( this , remember, if you have 10 might stacks on you, so it won’t always happen, and surely not as soon as you start the fight, or rather when the thief is called out for help) than a standard glass cannon build.
200 more power= 10 % damage.
You lose 25% more damage from traits and runes + 8% crit damage .
it’s still a 15 % damage loss + 8crit damage loss, very noticable, especially when you have full bloodlust and numbers are pretty high.
Again, that build is more suited for 1vs1, and current thief meta role is simply different, especially as long as mesmers cover that role much more efficiently than us.
How come you’re saying its 20% Based on my calculations i win around 5% damage below 90% and lose about same 5% while above 90%.
Dagger trianing pairs with your rune effect ( 5% more damage when under might)
You lose scholar bonus + exposed weakness + flanking strike ( trickery VI trait, another one you lose in your build) = 25 % flat damage + 8 % critical damage from runes.
With a 10-30-30 build you’re going to keep frequently 10-12 might stacks ( 350-420 power) , anyway you already lose 150 power from traits ( DA), so you effectively gain only 200-270 power ( around 5 % damage ).
So overall, where you backstab hits for 6 k, mine would hit for 7.8 k ( + 20 % damage + 8% critical damage).
It’s huge.
I would’t say i always got scholars bonus tbh also 300 attack equals almost 15% incrase
Tests on heavy golem steady weapeons(not taken by me) 2004 power=91 damage on autoattack(no traits)
2304 power=105 damage300 attack basicly equals 300 power so damage incrase is 15%.
basicly the diffrence would be 8% critical damage. If you have above 90% hp you outdps me if not you dont.
Also my damage does not ask me to stand behind or have 90% + hp. Its has less variables to count in.
But in fact you have 200 more power ( this , remember, if you have 10 might stacks on you, so it won’t always happen, and surely not as soon as you start the fight, or rather when the thief is called out for help) than a standard glass cannon build.
200 more power= 10 % damage.
You lose 25% more damage from traits and runes + 8% crit damage .
it’s still a 15 % damage loss + 8crit damage loss, very noticable, especially when you have full bloodlust and numbers are pretty high.
Again, that build is more suited for 1vs1, and current thief meta role is simply different, especially as long as mesmers cover that role much more efficiently than us.
Former Devils Inside Thief R43