Guild Wars 2

What is the point of making it to where stealth is not stealth? I have never heard one single person complain about stealth in thiefs…wtf? Thoughts?

fugazi.5139:

I have never heard one single person complain about stealth in thiefs

What? That’s literally the biggest complaint.

fugazi.5139:

What is the point of making it to where stealth is not stealth? I have never heard one single person complain about stealth in thiefs…wtf? Thoughts?

wat?noone ever complained about stealth?
erm there is like 1k threads about how permastealth and stealth needs a tone down.

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

pve scrubs outnumber us 10,000 : 1

who cares

spvp dead

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Seriously…players even top players complain, maybe don’t complain, but say how there is not counter play to stealth. Now there is. I play thief and see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

This is true. Thieves are easy to kill. Unfortunately, PvP in GW2 is where the casual players are so there are a lot of complaints.

I complain about people complaining

kitten s.7421:

I complain about people complaining

i wanna complain about people complaining that other people complain.

Stealth is a terrible mechanic but it’s not strong in GW2 due to conquest being conquest.
Having no counter-play is very common in GW2 anyway, so it doesn’t matter all that much since there are a lot of other things that need fixing too.

Also, Fugazi you are a no-name kitten-ter! BAM!

selan.8354:

kitten s.7421:

I complain about people complaining

i wanna complain about people complaining that other people complain.

Complain-nation

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

Jax.5261:

Stealth is a terrible mechanic but it’s not strong in GW2 due to conquest being conquest.
Having no counter-play is very common in GW2 anyway, so it doesn’t matter all that much since there are a lot of other things that need fixing too.

Also, Fugazi you are a no-name kitten-ter! BAM!

Lol love you 2<3. And yes that is my point exactly. There are so many other issues. kitten stealth play right now.

fugazi.5139:

Jax.5261:

Stealth is a terrible mechanic but it’s not strong in GW2 due to conquest being conquest.
Having no counter-play is very common in GW2 anyway, so it doesn’t matter all that much since there are a lot of other things that need fixing too.

Also, Fugazi you are a no-name kitten-ter! BAM!

Lol love you 2<3. And yes that is my point exactly. There are so many other issues. kitten stealth play right now.

Stealth shouldn’t be in the game period. Neither should RNG or spam, but it’s the way they’ve designed the game unfortunately.

I thought you’d have quit by now, you rage like e’ryday =D

The people here talking about permastealth are either rank1 in spvp/haven’t played it for months or are stupid by nature.

It doesn’t break the game per say but it’s really stupid to watch. I end up leaving extended fights with those kinds of thieves because I don’t have the patience for them.

Stealth (if you’re going to have it at all) should be very infrequent and more consequential.

Stealth is anyway barely used in sPvP. It is only useful to have Backstab available.
Giving it a counter is a nerf only to WvWvW thieves, which really needed it.

I don’t think that Sic Em will have an use in sPvP anyway.

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

That’s why all top tier teams say/said it’s unbalanced?

Bsgapollo.5364:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

That’s why all top tier teams say/said it’s unbalanced?

There’s not really much separating top tier from everybody else with common sense; that’s kind of an appeal to authority. Stealth isn’t unbalanced in the damage/point-holding sense. It just lacks the counterplay to be fun to play against due to ease-of-access and lack of repercussions for thieves messing up. To give you a bit of some metaphoric hyperbole, imagine taking stealth even further. The thief can literally pop into stealth anytime they want (aside from revealed debuff) but does even less damage. Is this balanced? Not by a longshot; nobody wants to fight that and it’s boring as hell because you’ll never do anything significant to each other no matter how skilled you are, but it’s not breaking the game from a competitive standpoint because it lacks a sort of global viability.

TL;DR- Is stealth broken? Yes. Is it wrecking the meta of this game? It’s kind of too by-itself to really have an impact either way until it’s completely reworked.

Every game I’ve played so far that had some kind of stealth implemented had a mechanism to unstealth players if you approximately know where the stealthed player is hidden. How could it be balanced if a class can run around in stealth 100% of the time – that even resembles cheat-codes in some offline-games

Stealth need still stealth, but need some counter.

My sugestions:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Balance-the-stealth-mechanic/first#post2724690

Also remove “Reveled” effect of game.

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

WvW forum is that way -> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

WvW forum is that way -> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv

and wvw balance happens here :-)

selan.8354:

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

WvW forum is that way -> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv

and wvw balance happens here :-)

That’s not our fault.

WvW balance influences sPvP the same way, and since they’re totally different games, with totally different strategies, builds and stats, it makes no sense to cry about WvW here in the sPvP forums.

Regarding the topic, stealth has no counterplay and that is true, but still stealth thieves are weak, VERY weak, and the only good build thieves have ( giving how strong condies, war, rangers, and all the stuff in the meta is) is S/D thief, which doesn’t rely on stealth for a reason.

A thief in stealth cannot contest a point, this is vital in sPvP. Maybe cruuk build is able to beat anyone, but takes too much time in doing so, and points slowly tick.

A permastealth thief at far is easily counterable by any class capable to 1vs1 him without losing too fast ( longbow-hammer warrior is a good example, spirit ranger another good one) and you just need to rearrange your team accordingly ( just send your home defender at far and leave your 1vs1 against the thief when the point is yours so he won’t be able to decap it).

I don’t see why people complain about stealth in sPvP: altough not having any counterplay, it’s weak and never EVER gave any problem at the top if not for stealth ambushes ( where THE WHOLE TEAM was stealthed).

Giving counters to stealth will just make D/P thieves weaker than they actually are and send all people to acrobatic thieves.

/balance

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

WvW forum is that way -> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv

and wvw balance happens here :-)

That’s not our fault.

WvW balance influences sPvP the same way, and since they’re totally different games, with totally different strategies, builds and stats, it makes no sense to cry about WvW here in the sPvP forums.

Regarding the topic, stealth has no counterplay and that is true, but still stealth thieves are weak, VERY weak, and the only good build thieves have ( giving how strong condies, war, rangers, and all the stuff in the meta is) is S/D thief, which doesn’t rely on stealth for a reason.

A thief in stealth cannot contest a point, this is vital in sPvP. Maybe cruuk build is able to beat anyone, but takes too much time in doing so, and points slowly tick.

A permastealth thief at far is easily counterable by any class capable to 1vs1 him without losing too fast ( longbow-hammer warrior is a good example, spirit ranger another good one) and you just need to rearrange your team accordingly ( just send your home defender at far and leave your 1vs1 against the thief when the point is yours so he won’t be able to decap it).

I don’t see why people complain about stealth in sPvP: altough not having any counterplay, it’s weak and never EVER gave any problem at the top if not for stealth ambushes ( where THE WHOLE TEAM was stealthed).

Giving counters to stealth will just make D/P thieves weaker than they actually are and send all people to acrobatic thieves.

/balance

actually wvw doesnt affect u guys. anet balances only around spvp. thats why warriors are out of control in wvw atm.

permastea;th is pretty annoying, but they usually all follow the same pattern. they see u, they stealth, they go behind u and hope to land a backstab or another strong openes, thats why mesmers wanna try scepter, as nr 2 is a block that inflicts 5 stacks of torment on the target that hits them while blocking.

in spvp i seem to have less problems with thieves as i have in wvw.in wvw they can almost 3 shot u.

but u are right stealth dosent help much in spvp as they cannot contest a cap point while in stealth. plus the best thieves i fought in spvp are the ones that dont rely on stealth only.

D/P Thief is the only build I still enjoy to play in Tournaments.

I love how skilled use of mobility and smart use of stealth allow you to out play more dominant, safer and more passive builds that rule the meta currently.

Arenanet should reconsider: nerf evades and blind stacking, not stealth or you’ll kill all build variety on thief! Only S/D will remain viable and that is the only build that should be considered for balancing.

Stealth stacking on allies is too strong in coordinated play, but requires teamplay which should be promoted!

selan.8354:

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

Mrbig.8019:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

selan.8354:

fugazi.5139:

Ok. NObody good ever complained about stealth. ONly noname kittenters.

that is not true at all. i can destroy thieves, if they attack me i am already a step ahead with my scepter 2 block and give the little thief 5 stacks of torment! i do complain about permastealth though as 1 thief can easily troll an entire group in a keep. thief players have to stop assuming everyone that hates stealth in this game, are bad players. if u wer a good player u wouldnt rely on stealth only. best thieves i fought wee the ones not permainvis.

Oh, when I said nobody good. I meant, Nobody relevant competitively. Noob.

dude.who the hell do u think u are. calling me a noob. only because i dont have a rank in kitten spvp doesnt give u the right to lash out like that. come to wvw and lets see who laughs in the end. ive been playing this game since headstart and thieves are with all the foodbuffs way stronger in wvw than spvp. so i do have the right to talk here. i dont care what your spvp rank is. a rank doesnt make u anything u could be the crappiest player in the world and simply choose a new meta build to rank up.
so get down from your wannabe high horse here!

WvW forum is that way -> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv

and wvw balance happens here :-)

That’s not our fault.

WvW balance influences sPvP the same way, and since they’re totally different games, with totally different strategies, builds and stats, it makes no sense to cry about WvW here in the sPvP forums.

Regarding the topic, stealth has no counterplay and that is true, but still stealth thieves are weak, VERY weak, and the only good build thieves have ( giving how strong condies, war, rangers, and all the stuff in the meta is) is S/D thief, which doesn’t rely on stealth for a reason.

A thief in stealth cannot contest a point, this is vital in sPvP. Maybe cruuk build is able to beat anyone, but takes too much time in doing so, and points slowly tick.

A permastealth thief at far is easily counterable by any class capable to 1vs1 him without losing too fast ( longbow-hammer warrior is a good example, spirit ranger another good one) and you just need to rearrange your team accordingly ( just send your home defender at far and leave your 1vs1 against the thief when the point is yours so he won’t be able to decap it).

I don’t see why people complain about stealth in sPvP: altough not having any counterplay, it’s weak and never EVER gave any problem at the top if not for stealth ambushes ( where THE WHOLE TEAM was stealthed).

Giving counters to stealth will just make D/P thieves weaker than they actually are and send all people to acrobatic thieves.

/balance

actually wvw doesnt affect u guys. anet balances only around spvp. thats why warriors are out of control in wvw atm.

permastea;th is pretty annoying, but they usually all follow the same pattern. they see u, they stealth, they go behind u and hope to land a backstab or another strong openes, thats why mesmers wanna try scepter, as nr 2 is a block that inflicts 5 stacks of torment on the target that hits them while blocking.

in spvp i seem to have less problems with thieves as i have in wvw.in wvw they can almost 3 shot u.

but u are right stealth dosent help much in spvp as they cannot contest a cap point while in stealth. plus the best thieves i fought in spvp are the ones that dont rely on stealth only.

k dude wvw is fully unbalanced there is so much stat padding that there is no point of even balancing that kitten. It will never be balanced. Its all about numbers nothing else. The reason you are being 1 shot is because of stat padding there is no changing that so please just stop qqing. WvW guys make me laugh at times watching them go hardcore in duels with all food on with there max ascended everything and oh yea we cant forget about the minor buffs your world gets. Its never going to be balanced that’s why it makes more sense balancing from sPvP perspective if they are not going to split the game modes.

Jax.5261:

fugazi.5139:

Jax.5261:

Stealth is a terrible mechanic but it’s not strong in GW2 due to conquest being conquest.
Having no counter-play is very common in GW2 anyway, so it doesn’t matter all that much since there are a lot of other things that need fixing too.

Also, Fugazi you are a no-name kitten-ter! BAM!

Lol love you 2<3. And yes that is my point exactly. There are so many other issues. kitten stealth play right now.

Stealth shouldn’t be in the game period. Neither should RNG or spam, but it’s the way they’ve designed the game unfortunately.

I thought you’d have quit by now, you rage like e’ryday =D

I did quit. I don’t even PvE anymore. I play Minecraft. Waiting on Everquest Landmark.

Gorni.1764:

Every game I’ve played so far that had some kind of stealth implemented had a mechanism to unstealth players if you approximately know where the stealthed player is hidden. How could it be balanced if a class can run around in stealth 100% of the time – that even resembles cheat-codes in some offline-games

LOL