please stop feeding. ask here if you have any questions about the spec.
my soloq experience is getting kittened on by players who haven’t the faintest clue about the spec, who run into the point and get one-shot by the stacked traps. I’m talking 2-3 people at a time. like zombies. then they come on these very forums, begging and crying for nerfs.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with the DH. in fact, against good players, i’m finding it to be subpar.
The only reason why you think there is nothing wrong with DH is because you play it…. i play several classes and i also have a DH that i made a couple of days ago…. bow(2s) damage does 8k, the reflect CC and ability is great, the aoe (5) ability is OP CC and allows easy traps/get there rolls out of the way….. You cant say that DH is balanced…. you just cant Like even when you are taking damage from a range which is suppose to be you counter you just swap to sword focus, pop (5) block all attacks, teleport to them auto attack and (4) till you can get off elite trap etc…. The aoe, the CC, the ability to counter melee and sit back in team fights and pick people off. A good DH will not lose to any other spec, apart from a full druid support that can outheal and pop invul while the DH is bursting with traps. If you have having trouble on DH then its a l2p issue.
People who get regularly hit by LB (5) also stand in nekro wells and ranger LB (5).
When I stack 3 wells on a point and people stand in there they melt faster than with DH traps.
Yes I’m aware that traps stay, but by now people should come to know what to expect. If I know that on this point there are 3 traps stacked I can proceed accordingly.
I would say that LB (2) is stronger than any of the traps so this is where a nerf might happen, but all those flames about stacked traps really makes me cringe.
No im not saying people shouldnt expect it but the overall damage is just too high…. Its not about how the damage works its just that the damage needs to be tuned down slightly. Or anet will just end up making traps garbage with massive cds with no effects……
I mean we can all agree that Dh damage is higher compared to the majority of builds…
Its about balance and with the ladders coming in next month it would suck for rangers (non druid) warriors etc to get removed as DH and reaper are just a better replacement.
my soloq experience is getting kittened on by players who haven’t the faintest clue about the spec, who run into the point and get one-shot by the stacked traps. I’m talking 2-3 people at a time.
?? I have been reassured time and again by forum goers that a DH cannot “oneshot” a player, apparently that is “sci-fi”.
I don’t main a guard, although I’m familiar with DH mechanics. my druid eats DH’s for breakfast generally, unless the DH gets +1. I spent some time in the mists…I would encourage others to do the same.
my soloq experience is getting kittened on by players who haven’t the faintest clue about the spec, who run into the point and get one-shot by the stacked traps. I’m talking 2-3 people at a time.
?? I have been reassured time and again by forum goers that a DH cannot “oneshot” a player, apparently that is “sci-fi”.
Just go make a DH, get it to level 3 go online find a dh trap build. Run bow, focus sword…. and see how crazy the damage and utility is…. Its great! I’m maining it right now. I have legit one shot people, i would say its the best one shot class out atm(3 traps on the ground plus 2). I use to play a theif/warrior and the damage and survival is out of this world. Its like the ranger you always wanted but you dont have to deal with pets.
And if you really want to make sure you one shot somebody put traps down throw the dragon chain thing at them and just pull them onto the traps….. Try dodging that. If you are getting melted by range? pop your 8 second deflector…. the utility is out of this world next to damage.
I don’t need to make a DH to feel good about my play. but I get what youre saying – less effort for greater effect. this however isn’t an issue in higher mmr games. the issue is that random scrub getting 1-shot and feeding all game.
It’s not a 1-shot but a 100→0 burst in a very short time. You can start Fokus (5), then place elite trap, judges intervention while placing the trap, then you place 1-2 further traps and with the explosion of Fokus (5) a squishy target that didn’t react will be downed.
in higher MMR games, you’re almost required to take Renewed Focus (Phantaram did and I understand why) for extra sustain because the build is very glassy.
my soloq experience is getting kittened on by players who haven’t the faintest clue about the spec, who run into the point and get one-shot by the stacked traps. I’m talking 2-3 people at a time.
?? I have been reassured time and again by forum goers that a DH cannot “oneshot” a player, apparently that is “sci-fi”.
Its like the ranger you always wanted but you dont have to deal with pets.
My thoughts exactly.
The whole package is amazing not just the traps. Other great things you didn’t mention above that I would love my ranger to have are the 1200 ranged unblockable instant cast pull and automatic knockback procs on bow every 10secs that also grant stability for 6 secs- that’s like 60% stability uptime, before using the stability trap, just from a trait? WTF!! The heal can be kind of “stacked” for a double heal (unlike the ranger’s version).
My trapper ranger running rabid, traited for protection/weakness with nature’s ward and barkskin still gets 100-0ed if I get caught in dem DH traps.
As for the OP lol, I know all the tricks of the trapper and still get wiped from time to time, and these new DH’s mainly don’t know how to play them properly yet. Wait until they start getting creative in trap placement and learning where to stand against different classes.
You dont really even need to use "fokus"{5} in my experience of putting down traps they activate instantly and during a fight the only trap that i have seen being dodged “test of faith” which is the (jail of blades) but even then you just put them down and nobody can get in unless they roll and if they do you just walk out again…. I think its played correctly renewed focus is not needed unless you are fighting a team with a theif. But even then theifs are so squishy at the moment if he does “steal” you and lands on the elite trap its a easy (2) true shot and he is forced to back off/just dies from damage.
Yeah all guards also got tears in their eyes when they announced druid. Now that HoT is life rangers have the tears in their eyes too and lock eyes with the guards on the other side of a-net’s famous table…. everyone is ‘happy’ xD
PS: Renewed focus defenitely is needed. Like all those that state DH is so op say… DH is quite good in chaotic teamfights, which means that there is a possibility of 2-4 people focusing him. Even if he ‘1-shots’ one he will fall instantly after. No matter how good, a 16k DH will get downed when more people focus him and are equally good as him.
PPS: ‘Fokus’ is the german word.. no need to highlight my typo ^^
He, he. The problem is not stepping on the traps. The problem is the squirtly little Asuran engie (complete with zits) that pulls you into the traps when you are staying off the traps, like a good boy.
Feel free to replace “engi with zits” with any other class (mesmer, guadian, ranger, etc) that can hard cc you into a death zone.
I am OK with DH having a nice bit of AoE denial. However, there is AoE denial, and AOE DENIAL. The first is OK, while the latter is… a little annoying. DH has some very obvious weaknesses, but in a good group fight, the AOE DENIAL is really powerful for stomp prevention and stomp security. I am not 100% convinced this will be the new Guardian meta, but… If not this, than what?
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I think its enough why is all the dh defending their spec saying its l2p. Why is there only complain of dh in pvp…dun tell me every1 is noob here only the dh is the pro
I think its enough why is all the dh defending their spec saying its l2p. Why is there only complain of dh in pvp…dun tell me every1 is noob here only the dh is the pro
I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after the new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after they new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
No no, lets keep focus on DH and people dying to static traps please.
Lol at all of the idiots that think DH damage is so high. Meanwhile hammer revs can put out way more damage with much more ease. So many clueless QQers.
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Just curious, doesn’t Mesmer eat DH trapper for breakfast? I am no expert, but I would think Chronomancer, with a resistance build, would blow up DH. Right?
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Just curious, doesn’t Mesmer eat DH trapper for breakfast? I am no expert, but I would think Chronomancer, with a resistance build, would blow up DH. Right?
As do Heralds and Scrappers (and some Reapers and Druids). D/D eles might too? Thiefs and Warris won’t.
Just curious, doesn’t Mesmer eat DH trapper for breakfast? I am no expert, but I would think Chronomancer, with a resistance build, would blow up DH. Right?
Mesmer: Clones proc traps + f4
Engie: Gyros proc traps
Ranger: Pet proc traps + signant of stone
Necro: Minion proc traps (flesh wurm) plus we have reaper shroud.
Warrior: Stances.
Rev: is rev and has that beastly heal that feeds off traps
Ele: mist form procs
Guard: focus 5, invulns
Thief: stiff kittens.
all classes have dodges or a counter (except thief)
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after they new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
No no, lets keep focus on DH and people dying to static traps please.
I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after the new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
There was an official article not too long ago by Riot explaining how win rates worked in League of legends , one of the the things they mentioned in the article was how sometimes you saw stuff like le blanc (A champion that could potentially 100-0 you) was getting constantly banned everyone was complaining about her while her win ratio was below 50% while at the same time support champions like Janna where way over 56% flying under the radar.
Now the thing is sometimes something is OP but not necessarily annoying while something else could be as OP and make you wanna break your monitor . I think the problem with DH is that it’s incredibly annoying to play against , Guardian mains (And i assure you are a lot ) usually play their main (well duh) and don’t can’t look at the other side of the fence.
Now i am not saying that there are no counters to a straight up 1vs1 with a Guardian , it’s just incredibly annoying to deal with in a 5vs5 , since most of the times he can easily places his stuff on the ground while team fights are happening and since GW2 has a lot of visual noise it usually goes unnoticed.
Now i do believe scrappers , reapers , DH , revs will eventually get to a more balanced state it’s just a matter of time really.
I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after they new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
No no, lets keep focus on DH and people dying to static traps please.
A good DH will not lose to any other spec, apart from a full druid support that can outheal and pop invul while the DH is bursting with traps. If you have having trouble on DH then its a l2p issue.
Ahem… Scrapper and Revs eats them for breakfast. Revs can obliterate them in team fights. People say Druids too but I’ve yet to actually duel one >.<.
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I wonder if the reapers, scrappers, and revs are just sitting on the sidelines, being happy that DH is getting all the attention from the scrubs, or if they’re frightened of who will be next once the plebes ruin DH.
Let’s not even mention D/D cele ele which has fallen off the scrub-nerf-this radar after the new expansion hit. They must be ecstatic.
Wait, people are still complaining about D/D ele? LOL, you must be terrible at pvp in this game if you are still harping on about an obsolete build.
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I refuse to play DH because it looks like the most boring spec in PvP atm.
Place your traps, stand still, hope that someone walks into them. And unfortunetly most people just walk straight into them, even if they see them being placed.
Yea, sure. The DH traps hurt like hell. But DHs aren’t THAT OP, they are squishy and if you dodge the traps – they can’t do kitten. They are just annoying.
Kite DHs. Are the standing on one point with tons of trap? Go for other points instead.
Are they trying to control the supply camp with traps? Try taking other routes in.
Everytime I walk into a trap, I just use some evasive skill/stunbreak and get out of it. Some people see the trap being popped, and just keep running straight into them. For exampel when Procession of Blades (whirl trap) is active. The spec is so glassy that it gets bursted down if you dodge the traps or gank them a bit away from the traps.
Feels like DH is a great pubstompers until people realize how to counter the traps and realize they can’t just mindlessly rush into enemies without consequences.
And tbh, with all the new PvP players I feel like the amount of people mindlessly running around has increased. After all, who cares about objectives when you can just run around and fight outside points? Kappa
Dragonhunter’s are surprisingly easy to deal with. Their “pull” can be dodged or blocked, and their traps you can avoid or dodge out of. I think it’s relatively clear that if a Dragonhunter is on a point, he has placed traps down. With that in mind, just attack him from range and dodge his true shot. Alternatively, use conditions as their condi-cleanse is limited.
Most trap-heavy Dragonhunter builds (if they take more than one utility version) are rather vulernable to a variety of things. Unfortunately, most people want to attack them as they always do – head first, without thought.
Dragonhunter’s are surprisingly easy to deal with. Their “pull” can be dodged or blocked, and their traps you can avoid or dodge out of. I think it’s relatively clear that if a Dragonhunter is on a point, he has placed traps down. With that in mind, just attack him from range and dodge his true shot. Alternatively, use conditions as their condi-cleanse is limited.
Most trap-heavy Dragonhunter builds (if they take more than one utility version) are rather vulernable to a variety of things. Unfortunately, most people want to attack them as they always do – head first, without thought.
Lol no the pull is unblockable learn your class please. Dodging out of them is pointless they last longer than the activation and still have their LB shooting you. Conditions destroy anything and are still broken.
A good DH will not lose to any other spec, apart from a full druid support that can outheal and pop invul while the DH is bursting with traps. If you have having trouble on DH then its a l2p issue.
Ahem… Scrapper and Revs eats them for breakfast. Revs can obliterate them in team fights. People say Druids too but I’ve yet to actually duel one >.<.
it is only me or Rev is much easier to counter. even as thief i can still rupt his spells, he has 450 cast range on UA, and when he blocks i restealth.
Vs Dh i need to have godlike reflex to evade traps and Dh shotting at me.
While Rev is bs cuz he can force me to double roll on UA, after ua hes not the same threat.
DH forces me to be prepared for trapbomb and to everysingle shot, 1st steal will be negated by trait, followed by knock trait, followed with 9k dmg trueshot into instant trap placement.
Another dumb build that gives you “Run or die” feeling, problem is that this one has 1200 range to shot you in the back.
my soloq experience is getting kittened on by players who haven’t the faintest clue about the spec, who run into the point and get one-shot by the stacked traps. I’m talking 2-3 people at a time.
?? I have been reassured time and again by forum goers that a DH cannot “oneshot” a player, apparently that is “sci-fi”.
Oneshot is 1 ability do massive dmg which kills you. One class that could oneshot ppl was warrior with gunflame. You are maybe thinking of bursting, yes DH can burst ppl down if they are careless and dumb to stand in traps.
You know OP as a DH you have the ability to throw your traps on actual targets during team fights as well. You’re not limited to deploying them on point, when nobody’s around and waiting for some scrub to come suicide.
