Guild Wars 2

First of all, lets just establish the glaring fact that warriors have never been as bad as people have cried about in the past 10 months. For those that do not know, warrior has always had access to the best body cleave in the game. If by some way the opposing team is able to res a downed player, while you or any other warrior is hundred blading it, it because you either reacted too slowly to the dead body, or the rest of your four teammates are literally standing there doing nothing as 2-3 opposing players res their teammate. Then there are the people that complain about warriors not being able to win a 1v1 for their life, when if fact, considering most people run a greatsword build, if you land a good whirlwind in a 1v1 you should have a good chance of winning that 1v1. Then of course there are the players that still complain about conditions ripping apart warriors. Which at this point, makes absolutely no sense considering that cleansing ire was implemented last patch, essentially allowing warriors to cleanse at least 2 condis every 10 seconds, and sometimes 3. Then of course there are rune alternatives, such as melandru runes that significantly aid warriors against condis, and of course there is signet of stamina, which due to signet mastery now being one of the best choices in the adept tree for the discipline tree, is a full condi cleanse on a 36 cd. That is a decent to a good collection of condition cleanse, considering that warriors are still able to do a good deal of damage even with this cleanse. Yet, of course, people still cry about how they can’t do the same damage if they decide to go the condi clear route, which I personally do not know if it’s because people don’t understand there will also be some sort of counter to every class in every game, in this case conditions countering warriors. Or there is also the possibility that people want warriors to be an unstoppable force that does the same damage, while being immune to conditions entirely. Which leads to the point, where the warrior community it just a microcosm of the entire guild wars 2 na pvp community, as most players would rather be given something on a silver platter, than deal with what they are given. To conclude, I understand the how, of the reasoning behind people crying, which is because this generation expects to just be given things, but the thing that I don’t understand is the why, considering the fact that there is 5 teams on north america, and 1-2 of those teams don’t even care enough to play other than when there’s a tournament of some “significance,” and there is really no reason to try and fix the game when there isn’t even a community to sustain a competitive environment.

I realize that this thread will have no impact on the amount of warrior QQ threads, but alas, tis the life of guild wars 2. I would also like to acknowledge the admirable acts of The Captain Groucharoo, for his efforts in trying to save the undeserving NA Community, but I urge thee to abandon the sinking ship and save yourself. I would also like to extend a “good luck” to our comrades across in the atlantic in the sons of stalin, the foul european fiends such as Denshee, and the future pharaoh of egypt, Prince Vanish. And I would like to end with a quote by the great Admiral Hiba:

“Talk kitten, get talked kittented”

BryBry.8409:

First of all, lets just establish the glaring fact that warriors have never been as bad as people have cried about in the past 10 months. For those that do not know, warrior has always had access to the best body cleave in the game. If by some way the opposing team is able to res a downed player, while you or any other warrior is hundred blading it, it because you either reacted too slowly to the dead body, or the rest of your four teammates are literally standing there doing nothing as 2-3 opposing players res their teammate. Then there are the people that complain about warriors not being able to win a 1v1 for their life, when if fact, considering most people run a greatsword build, if you land a good whirlwind in a 1v1 you should have a good chance of winning that 1v1. Then of course there are the players that still complain about conditions ripping apart warriors. Which at this point, makes absolutely no sense considering that cleansing ire was implemented last patch, essentially allowing warriors to cleanse at least 2 condis every 10 seconds, and sometimes 3. Then of course there are rune alternatives, such as melandru runes that significantly aid warriors against condis, and of course there is signet of stamina, which due to signet mastery now being one of the best choices in the adept tree for the discipline tree, is a full condi cleanse on a 36 cd. That is a decent to a good collection of condition cleanse, considering that warriors are still able to do a good deal of damage even with this cleanse. Yet, of course, people still cry about how they can’t do the same damage if they decide to go the condi clear route, which I personally do not know if it’s because people don’t understand there will also be some sort of counter to every class in every game, in this case conditions countering warriors. Or there is also the possibility that people want warriors to be an unstoppable force that does the same damage, while being immune to conditions entirely. Which leads to the point, where the warrior community it just a microcosm of the entire guild wars 2 na pvp community, as most players would rather be given something on a silver platter, than deal with what they are given. To conclude, I understand the how, of the reasoning behind people crying, which is because this generation expects to just be given things, but the thing that I don’t understand is the why, considering the fact that there is 5 teams on north america, and 1-2 of those teams don’t even care enough to play other than when there’s a tournament of some “significance,” and there is really no reason to try and fix the game when there isn’t even a community to sustain a competitive environment.

I realize that this thread will have no impact on the amount of warrior QQ threads, but alas, tis the life of guild wars 2. I would also like to acknowledge the admirable acts of The Captain Groucharoo, for his efforts in trying to save the undeserving NA Community, but I urge thee to abandon the sinking ship and save yourself. I would also like to extend a “good luck” to our comrades across in the atlantic in the sons of stalin, the foul european fiends such as Denshee, and the future pharaoh of egypt, Prince Vanish. And I would like to end with a quote by the great Admiral Hiba:

“Talk kitten, get talked kittented”

Last paragraph made my night.

love you brybrybabe

BryBry.8409:

Then there are the people that complain about warriors not being able to win a 1v1 for their life, when if fact, considering most people run a greatsword build, if you land a good whirlwind in a 1v1 you should have a good chance of winning that 1v1.

I agree, but it depends on the ground you are fighting. Some enemies can make sure that whirlwind will probably be the only skill you’ll be able to land. Or one of the very few (not rush, not bladetrail, then it comes down of your offset). You need to force a fight in a narrow space against some enemies: you have to keep pressure, because time is mostly your enemy. And keeping the enemy in reach of ALL your attack skills is always a good idea.

And stop whining about our generation. We grew in the world our predecessors created (even a deeper effect than parenting). We just inherited their self absolution skills.

And… well… awesome prose.XD

Whirlwind hitting for 14k aoe instantly on startup or having above average corpse cleave with 100b should not be the only thing which makes warriors viable. Nor is it currently enough to make warriors viable, either.

Even elixir res will out res a 100 blades cleave by itself. Unless you quickness I guess.

We should use sigil of fire.

Archer Henchman.2534:

Whirlwind hitting for 14k aoe instantly on startup or having above average corpse cleave with 100b should not be the only thing which makes warriors viable. Nor is it currently enough to make warriors viable, either.

14k whirlwind is a thing of the past. Or at least in my build it is. I miss those days though, Prolly still possible in some setups.

Mace/Axe warrior is so awesome.

If you dont have a warrior you will not understand because all other classes are superior to warrior.

If you have a warrior, you should stop beign a fanboy, it actually hurts the game more than you think it will benefit, beign complacient with mediocre content/balance or whatever other bad things that come when you buy a product will only make that those bad things will increase.

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Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Where have you been, GS which you are talking about have been nerfed. im so sorry.

OP, spoken like someone who hasn’t actually played warrior for any significant period of time. Post the builds that make us as good as other classes in TPvP and I’ll believe you, otherwise I’ll just view you as someone who just looks at the warrior from a distance and decided everyone has just been doing it wrong for a year.

BurrTheKing.8571:

OP, spoken like someone who hasn’t actually played warrior for any significant period of time. Post the builds that make us as good as other classes in TPvP and I’ll believe you, otherwise I’ll just view you as someone who just looks at the warrior from a distance and decided everyone has just been doing it wrong for a year.

LOL awkward… that’s Black Bry Banger, one of the top NA warriors and one of the first I saw using LB/GS to good effect in tournies. I just think he’s trying to say Warriors don’t need the massive amounts of help that the number of threads on this forum would suggest, and there are certain things they do very well such as body cleave, both points that I would agree with.

I think Anet has an easier time balancing classes that are relatively even across the various game modes (pve/spvp/wvw), which is is why Necro saw such an upswing because it was pretty mediocre in all three areas. Warrior on the other hand is OP in PVE, borderline OP in WvW and crap in SPvP. Seems a much trickier situation.

cymerdown.4103:

BurrTheKing.8571:

OP, spoken like someone who hasn’t actually played warrior for any significant period of time. Post the builds that make us as good as other classes in TPvP and I’ll believe you, otherwise I’ll just view you as someone who just looks at the warrior from a distance and decided everyone has just been doing it wrong for a year.

LOL awkward… that’s Black Bry Banger, one of the top NA warriors and one of the first I saw using LB/GS to good effect in tournies. I just think he’s trying to say Warriors don’t need the massive amounts of help that the number of threads on this forum would suggest, and there are certain things they do very well such as body cleave, both points that I would agree with.

It doesn’t matter either way, everyone who looks at the game objectively know that warriors are only “bad” because there’s so many OP builds in the current meta due to power creep. Normally I’m not for massive nerfs and would rather have weaker things buffed up instead but that has obviously not worked out. He also doesn’t talk like a warrior expect considering Cleansing Ire may be a decent perk but it’s far from being the ultimate counter to conditions. Even with that and Signet of Stamina, Runes of Mel, AND Dogged March you can still be easily overwhelmed by an Engi or Necro and even some ranger specs. This would also come at the cost of a lot of DPS – turning you into a wanna-be Guard. Also, that last paragraph sounded just a bit…odd.

And as for balance across all three areas of the game, the answer is so simple, SPIT THE CHANGES. Have PvE versions of skills/perks, WvW versions, and PvP versions. It worked in GW1 so I have no idea why they aren’t doing it in GW2.

BurrTheKing.8571:

It doesn’t matter either way, everyone who looks at the game objectively know that warriors are only “bad” because there’s so many OP builds in the current meta due to power creep. Normally I’m not for massive nerfs and would rather have weaker things buffed up instead but that has obviously not worked out. Also, that last paragraph sounded just a bit…odd.

That last comment sounded a bit… vague. What was odd about it? Seems like normal English to me.

I wouldn’t say there’s that much “power creep” in the game, as you’re saying. Most classes have actually had traits and skills nerfed since the launch of the game, not buffed. I could name a TON of changes where that’s true, actually (mesmer shatter trait gives 1 stack might instead of 3, repeated nerfs of signet of undeath, guardian sanctuary trait nerf, engi elixir r nerf, quickness nerf (this is the point where Warrior became bottom tier, but it also affected Ranger and Mesmer pretty hard), thief c&d dancing dagger and mug nerfs… I could go on, but actually the trend has typically been nerfing the powerful things in other classes, not buffing them as the term “power creep” suggests. If your suggestion is for them to bring down the power of other classes to the level of Warriors rather than bring the Warrior up, well, they’re kinda already doing that (while trying to bring the Warrior up at the same time).

I will try to be respectful since you seem to be someone important.

The warrior class in the current meta is trash, your post does nothing but whine about whining, you offer no constructive comments about the class and your pretty much just telling us all to L2P.

Your attitude about it seems immature, almost as if you dislike us for it, however I am sorry we did not master the secret of the class like you did and struggle in pvp.

In SPvP I main a necromancer (I played it way before these buffs.), even before the update to my conditions, the warrior was a trash class in spvp, in fact most of the time all they did was help me spread my conditions around using epidemic and destroyed their own team because they could not remove their conditions fast enough.

Even though you run tournament play, I really don’t feel that you’ve grasped the entire reason why the warrior is so bad and I urge you to look at other classes and then retype what you said.

cymerdown.4103:

BurrTheKing.8571:

It doesn’t matter either way, everyone who looks at the game objectively know that warriors are only “bad” because there’s so many OP builds in the current meta due to power creep. Normally I’m not for massive nerfs and would rather have weaker things buffed up instead but that has obviously not worked out. Also, that last paragraph sounded just a bit…odd.

That last comment sounded a bit… vague. What was odd about it? Seems like normal English to me.

I wouldn’t say there’s that much “power creep” in the game, as you’re saying. Most classes have actually had traits and skills nerfed since the launch of the game, not buffed. I could name a TON of changes where that’s true, actually (mesmer shatter trait gives 1 stack might instead of 3, repeated nerfs of signet of undeath, guardian sanctuary trait nerf, engi elixir r nerf, quickness nerf (this is the point where Warrior became bottom tier, but it also affected Ranger and Mesmer pretty hard), thief c&d dancing dagger and mug nerfs… I could go on, but actually the trend has typically been nerfing the powerful things in other classes, not buffing them as the term “power creep” suggests. If your suggestion is for them to bring down the power of other classes to the level of Warriors rather than bring the Warrior up, well, they’re kinda already doing that (while trying to bring the Warrior up at the same time).

The buff to blind has made running hammer a nightmare against anything but Necro. Not to mention this last patch buffed several already good specs and pushed them over the edge, in fact last patch had very few nerfs overall. It’s also a major kick in the teeth that they were fine with just making Necros OP in one patch yet seem so scared to buff warriors because it might make them more OP in PvE! That’s just ridiculous because who really cares about PvE balance? Just make PvP only changes and you can balance them in both areas. Some classes like mesmsers may be forced into certain builds for PvP but at least they HAVE a viable spec, even longbow warrior and their AoE isn’t really that great and while I like my Mace Shield lockdown build it’s still difficult to make a convincing argument to have that over say a second Necro.

BurrTheKing.8571:

The buff to blind has made running hammer a nightmare against anything but Necro. Not to mention this last patch buffed several already good specs and pushed them over the edge, in fact last patch had very few nerfs overall. It’s also a major kick in the teeth that they were fine with just making Necros OP in one patch yet seem so scared to buff warriors because it might make them more OP in PvE! That’s just ridiculous because who really cares about PvE balance? Just make PvP only changes and you can balance them in both areas. Some classes like mesmsers may be forced into certain builds for PvP but at least they HAVE a viable spec, even longbow warrior and their AoE isn’t really that great and while I like my Mace Shield lockdown build it’s still difficult to make a convincing argument to have that over say a second Necro.

The last patch did buff Necros quite a bit, I’ll admit that, and certainly more than was necessary. But they were in need of some help, it’s just that they got a bit too much (and some of it in the wrong way). I’m just saying that the overall trend hasn’t been to always buff thus inducing power creep, it’s more often to nerf things that are broken and support the things that are weak. They tried to do the same for Warriors, but they didn’t do it in the right way. They are trying, though. Class balance is not an easy thing, and they’re struggling with it, as you can see. Hopefully they’ll begin to get it right.

cymerdown.4103:

BurrTheKing.8571:

The buff to blind has made running hammer a nightmare against anything but Necro. Not to mention this last patch buffed several already good specs and pushed them over the edge, in fact last patch had very few nerfs overall. It’s also a major kick in the teeth that they were fine with just making Necros OP in one patch yet seem so scared to buff warriors because it might make them more OP in PvE! That’s just ridiculous because who really cares about PvE balance? Just make PvP only changes and you can balance them in both areas. Some classes like mesmsers may be forced into certain builds for PvP but at least they HAVE a viable spec, even longbow warrior and their AoE isn’t really that great and while I like my Mace Shield lockdown build it’s still difficult to make a convincing argument to have that over say a second Necro.

The last patch did buff Necros quite a bit, I’ll admit that, and certainly more than was necessary. But they were in need of some help, it’s just that they got a bit too much. I’m just saying that the overall trend hasn’t been to always buff thus inducing power creep, it’s more often to nerf things that are broken and support the things that are weak. They tried to do the same for Warriors, but they didn’t do it in the right way. They are trying, though. Class balance is not an easy thing, and they’re struggling with it, as you can see. Hopefully they’ll begin to get it right.

The reason they haven’t gotten closer is because they haven’t made a PvE/PvP/WvW split. They want to balance it between all 3 areas but it will never work with warriors.

Agree on the fact that they need to do more splitting; I know the devs themselves have admitted the same and will be doing more of it going forward.

14k WWs? That’s like the most extreme number that can hardly be achieved in realistic situations.

I really don’t get warriors.

You got a 20 point trait that allows you to remove 3 conditions every 8 seconds (if you use Defektive’s LB/SS build, that is), no class can remove conditions with the same speed while still doing damage. On top of that you can get PLENTY of condition removal either via traits or with Mending or with Lyssa runes (since you got a low cd elite to spam).
You can also get insane CC builds by running hammer and mace/shield (or mace/mace for the lolz)
Poor warriors have to spend points in defensive trees to be viable? welcome to the real world, where some classes already run with almost no points in offensive trees, just to not die horribly.

Shar.3402:

I really don’t get warriors.

You got a 20 point trait that allows you to remove 3 conditions every 8 seconds (if you use Defektive’s LB/SS build, that is), no class can remove conditions with the same speed while still doing damage. On top of that you can get PLENTY of condition removal either via traits or with Mending or with Lyssa runes (since you got a low cd elite to spam).
You can also get insane CC builds by running hammer and mace/shield (or mace/mace for the lolz)
Poor warriors have to spend points in defensive trees to be viable? welcome to the real world, where some classes already run with almost no points in offensive trees, just to not die horribly.

Make a warrior and try it out, you’ll find that conditions are still a huge problem because they are constantly reapplied.

Why don’t you make another class and see how conditions are a problem for every class if they don’t spec for them? Every player of every class adapts to the current meta, but somehow warriors think they’re special

Same goes for burst ofc, one can’t simply run with 916 toughness and then complain they get hit for a 10k shatter combo…

It’s all a matter of tradeoffs, you want high damage? you’re going to get hit for high damage as well. You want to not die horribly? You’re going to hit like a fly. You want to spec for top conditions? You’re going to either have low hps, or low toughness, or zero healing power.

Remove warrior from Spvp, problem solved :P

Shar.3402:

I really don’t get warriors.

You got a 20 point trait that allows you to remove 3 conditions every 8 seconds (if you use Defektive’s LB/SS build, that is), no class can remove conditions with the same speed while still doing damage. On top of that you can get PLENTY of condition removal either via traits or with Mending or with Lyssa runes (since you got a low cd elite to spam).
You can also get insane CC builds by running hammer and mace/shield (or mace/mace for the lolz)
Poor warriors have to spend points in defensive trees to be viable? welcome to the real world, where some classes already run with almost no points in offensive trees, just to not die horribly.

As a warrior that tried cleansing Ire myself with a longbow, I have to tell you it isn’t as good as you might think:

A)even with the burst skill that doesn’t have to hit, people still interrupt me, making those conditions stay as I have to wait for the cooldown to finish to use it again.

B)People can re-stack those conditions very easily, and when they can do it from range… makes things problematic, as it is much harder to dodge attacks that their animations don’t telegraph those attacks like the melee attacks on the game.

C) Only the longbow doesn’t have to hit in order to activate cleansing ire, everything else has to hit, and if not? cooldown… which considering that almost all other bursts are melee (rifle is ranged, but the time it takes for the kill-shot to activate doesn’t
make it that useful with cleansing ire), puts us in a bad position.

D) That one is simple: our minor traits at the defense tree are bad… all based around reviving people, including one that gives “might” to allies when you revive…

E) Mending is our healing skill as well, which unfortunately doesn’t give our health back all that well, only about 25% health back… there’s a reason why most warriors use healing surge now, as other classes tend to regenerate their back even faster with lower cooldowns.

G) Lyssa… I don’t know about others, but I never found it that helpful, as while it might help you with conditions a bit better, you have to trade other runes that will help you better in fights in general: the other upgrades that Lyssa gives aren’t that suitable to most of the warrior builds compared to other things, and taking it just for a 48 or 60 skill that removes conditions doesn’t sound that good in my opinion.

E) This is in general here: Warriors have to give a huge-payoff against just conditions, making them much less useful at other things such as DPS, or sometimes even tanking.
Now, don’t go and complain to me that this is how it is supposed to happen, I met a Mesmer who’s damage was still high, and had high survivability and condition removal, with skills such and null-field – a skill that makes a field that removes all conditions while you are on it with a duration of seven seconds.

“Well, your build is probably that of a glass-cannon, so your opinion on his damage and survivability is unreliable” – I guess someone is going to say that, so I’ll say it here: I have been in a 1v1 arena server with him, and I have seen fight against a minion-necromancer for atleast 10-15 minutes, an amount of time that warriors only wish they could fight for that long… there’s a reason warriors complain about their survivability.

Shar.3402:

Why don’t you make another class and see how conditions are a problem for every class if they don’t spec for them? Every player of every class adapts to the current meta, but somehow warriors think they’re special

Same goes for burst ofc, one can’t simply run with 916 toughness and then complain they get hit for a 10k shatter combo…

It’s all a matter of tradeoffs, you want high damage? you’re going to get hit for high damage as well. You want to not die horribly? You’re going to hit like a fly. You want to spec for top conditions? You’re going to either have low hps, or low toughness, or zero healing power.

you should try necro or full zerker meditation guardian. because the trade off rate isnt worth it for warrior.

Shar.3402:

I really don’t get warriors.

You got a 20 point trait that allows you to remove 3 conditions every 8 seconds (if you use Defektive’s LB/SS build, that is), no class can remove conditions with the same speed while still doing damage. On top of that you can get PLENTY of condition removal either via traits or with Mending or with Lyssa runes (since you got a low cd elite to spam).
You can also get insane CC builds by running hammer and mace/shield (or mace/mace for the lolz)
Poor warriors have to spend points in defensive trees to be viable? welcome to the real world, where some classes already run with almost no points in offensive trees, just to not die horribly.

All of warrior buffs were offset by the blind buff (which I still agree was required in the game for good burst counter). I know your post compares elementalists directly with warriors and while you are right that both classes have to spec a lot into defensive traits to be viable, elementalists have a LOT more upkeep than warrior thanks to good uptimes of protection/regeneration and multiple heal skills. Warrior healing is extremely poor and while their condition removal is good (yes it is), the low sustainability of the class in a battle (when focused) results in an early death.

I play both classes and believe me when I say, I am happy eles have 10k hp but a lot of healing instead of being a warrior with 18k hp but terrible healing/mitigation.

The longbow/ss build still follows the warrior design of burst or die which is terrible for a “warrior” who is a class that is supposed to “get stronger as the battle progresses”.
For the current GW2 warrior, the “battle” is nothing but a countdown to your death.

Rance Webster.2635:

“Well, your build is probably that of a glass-cannon, so your opinion on his damage and survivability is unreliable” – I guess someone is going to say that, so I’ll say it here: I have been in a 1v1 arena server with him, and I have seen fight against a minion-necromancer for atleast 10-15 minutes, an amount of time that warriors only wish they could fight for that long… there’s a reason warriors complain about their survivability.

Having a mesmer myself, I really want to know this mesmer because any mesmer that can survive against a good necro is a downright master of his class lol. Mesmer condition removal is much more horrid than warrior. It is just that they have more active defense with stealth/target drop/distraction from many illusions/immunity on a 45sec cd if traited for/chaos armor/daze.

Their only condition removal are in the form of 3 skills. Null field, mantra of resolve and phantasmal disenchanter.

PD is semi bugged so no one uses it and nullfield is a terrible utility for 1v1 since its on a 45 second cooldown and does not function as the tooltip says (it does not make you immune to conditions inside nor constantly removals all boons from enemies inside). MoR is the only decent condition cleanse. That is 4 conditions removed every 20 seconds with a 2.75 cast time to prepare the mantra. Signet of stamina alone is better than this. (traited ofc)

The main problem of most of the community in GW2 is their lack of class knowledge when they assume/complain. Its not hard to make a level 11 char and try to pvp or at least spectate to see the other classes and learn their strengths/weaknesses.

It’s easy to sit on your high horse and talk about how good the Warriors have it. On paper, everything about the warrior looks so good and appears as if everything is fluid. Yet in practice, you’ll find that the statement i wrote above is far from the truth.

I do understand how you may be tired of people “whining” about the warrior, but get over it. But at the same token some of the people who are just doing whining without any strong arguments aren’t doing the warrior any good.

There are some good threads that have good constructive criticism about how the warrior can be designed better. And for Anet’s sake, it’s best that all the classes are on equal ground in their own unique way, in order to promote variety and excitement in the game. That is, if this game is going to have longterm value.

Well said brybry. Pull up your socks, these nubs are pulling em down. :P

I think we need to add some more quotes in honor of some of our champions of the mist:

“I’m just keeping if professional” – Blinx (In response to rumors of him being cut happy)

“I’ll brb, gonna walk 20 miles to disney with my kids in 20 minutes” – Sataarcoeny (Every 20 minutes)

“This is why we can’t have nice things” – Doyourbestbear (In response to the NA PvP community)

“You are all pathetic trash” – Schwahrheit (AKA the Juan Ton, 4 time quitter of pvp, one of the original longbow warriors)

“Suck My diiiiii duuuuu” – Hman (In response to racist comments made by Lucifers Gift)

“I’m an idiot” – Schnigle 2013

BryBry.8409:

First of all, lets just establish the glaring fact that warriors have never been as bad as people have cried about in the past 10 months. For those that do not know, warrior has always had access to the best body cleave in the game. If by some way the opposing team is able to res a downed player, while you or any other warrior is hundred blading it, it because you either reacted too slowly to the dead body, or the rest of your four teammates are literally standing there doing nothing as 2-3 opposing players res their teammate. Then there are the people that complain about warriors not being able to win a 1v1 for their life, when if fact, considering most people run a greatsword build, if you land a good whirlwind in a 1v1 you should have a good chance of winning that 1v1. Then of course there are the players that still complain about conditions ripping apart warriors. Which at this point, makes absolutely no sense considering that cleansing ire was implemented last patch, essentially allowing warriors to cleanse at least 2 condis every 10 seconds, and sometimes 3. Then of course there are rune alternatives, such as melandru runes that significantly aid warriors against condis, and of course there is signet of stamina, which due to signet mastery now being one of the best choices in the adept tree for the discipline tree, is a full condi cleanse on a 36 cd. That is a decent to a good collection of condition cleanse, considering that warriors are still able to do a good deal of damage even with this cleanse. Yet, of course, people still cry about how they can’t do the same damage if they decide to go the condi clear route, which I personally do not know if it’s because people don’t understand there will also be some sort of counter to every class in every game, in this case conditions countering warriors. Or there is also the possibility that people want warriors to be an unstoppable force that does the same damage, while being immune to conditions entirely. Which leads to the point, where the warrior community it just a microcosm of the entire guild wars 2 na pvp community, as most players would rather be given something on a silver platter, than deal with what they are given. To conclude, I understand the how, of the reasoning behind people crying, which is because this generation expects to just be given things, but the thing that I don’t understand is the why, considering the fact that there is 5 teams on north america, and 1-2 of those teams don’t even care enough to play other than when there’s a tournament of some “significance,” and there is really no reason to try and fix the game when there isn’t even a community to sustain a competitive environment.

I realize that this thread will have no impact on the amount of warrior QQ threads, but alas, tis the life of guild wars 2. I would also like to acknowledge the admirable acts of The Captain Groucharoo, for his efforts in trying to save the undeserving NA Community, but I urge thee to abandon the sinking ship and save yourself. I would also like to extend a “good luck” to our comrades across in the atlantic in the sons of stalin, the foul european fiends such as Denshee, and the future pharaoh of egypt, Prince Vanish. And I would like to end with a quote by the great Admiral Hiba:

“Talk kitten, get talked kittented”

Block of text..eyes bleeding..

as someone who has mained a warrior since GW2 came out, people are just bad playing them. Though it is true that there is really only 1 viable way to build them. Recent patch moved the traits around just a teensy bit, but its still the only way to build them. If anyone wants to do some 1v1 duels you can add me and we can do it all.

First of all, someone with your vocabulary should understand that large bodies of text should have paragraphs involved. Secondly I hope you realize the brilliance of your q.q thread about q.q.

From what I understand NA is lacking much competition in tPvP, one of the main reasons I have not transferred despite having recently moved back to the states. On EU though, if playing a warrior you cannot compete with the capabilities of a competent necro or mesmer without significantly more effort. On that note you will still lack the utility of a mesmer even if you perform the damage role better. There’s a reason you don’t see warriors on competitive teams anymore.

That being said, I think this is an issue with necro being currently pretty broken and mesmer always having been. This is due to the level of team utility a mesmer can bring, not them being massively overpowered in 1v1 ability or teamfight damage. I am also not suggesting a mesmer nerf, only that other classes should be able to bring this type of utility while still maintaining a sensible method to setup and execute their burst. Necro on the other hand… I’m of the opinion you should not literally be able to play a class with your face, but maybe that’s just me. In short, once the necro is brought back in line with mortal classes I think warrior will see some more play.

Lastly, don’t insult my generation. My generation fought two wars and is currently navigating through the worst economical situation since the great depression which was largely brought about by the mistakes of our predecessors. Identifying a problem is not entitlement, it’s the first step to finding a solution.

I’d actually say with the buff to Skull Crack and Necros being OP atm warriors may actually have a place in TPvP. Necros have few ways to counter being stunned for so long so often, I’ve fought Necros 1v1 and have locked them down so bad they never even got a chance to use any skills.

The issue with necros isn’t their 1v1 ability, it’s their ability to nuke a point into oblivion imo.

Warriors are good, meta is not.

Jonwar.9205:

The issue with necros isn’t their 1v1 ability, it’s their ability to nuke a point into oblivion imo.

Once I got nuked into Skyrim.

Fenrir.5493:

If you dont have a warrior you will not understand because all other classes are superior to warrior.

If you have a warrior, you should stop beign a fanboy, it actually hurts the game more than you think it will benefit, beign complacient with mediocre content/balance or whatever other bad things that come when you buy a product will only make that those bad things will increase.

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.

apt.9184:

Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.

I can spend 1,000 hours learning how to play warrior to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, or I can play a necro and mesmer for 10 hours and learn how to play it to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, and then play it for 100 more hours and play it at a point where it is exceptional in tpvp.

That’s the problem in a nutshell.

So much fanboyism.

deathTouch.9706:

apt.9184:

Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.

I can spend 1,000 hours learning how to play warrior to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, or I can play a necro and mesmer for 10 hours and learn how to play it to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, and then play it for 100 more hours and play it at a point where it is exceptional in tpvp.

That’s the problem in a nutshell.

GW2 spvp summed up.

Fenrir.5493:

So much fanboyism.

Yet never enough to keep a game alive come the next big thing.

Demon.5082:

Having a mesmer myself, I really want to know this mesmer because any mesmer that can survive against a good necro is a downright master of his class lol. Mesmer condition removal is much more horrid than warrior. It is just that they have more active defense with stealth/target drop/distraction from many illusions/immunity on a 45sec cd if traited for/chaos armor/daze.

Apparently you don’t know Mesmer as well as you think you do.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Conflagration

There are builds out there for Mesmers in which they can kill Necromancers even in the current state of the game. You just won’t see it in tPvP. Mesmer is by far the strongest class which can be traited for any situation.

Edit: As to the OP.

Just because you have a team that is willing to take a liability along for the ride doesn’t make the class valid. A good player can do well against mediocre players with a Warrior, sure, but that will not change the truth of had you taken another class you could have been more effective in what role you chose.

In regards to the post:
In terms of balance the Warrior is the worst class for any given role in this game. As along as long lasting sources of stability/stun breakers can be given/had the Warrior class, in its given position, will never be able to capitalize off of their stuns. This effectively ruins what the class was set up to do.

To those annoying Few:
Also, the vast majority of “Pro” players left after about 2 to 3 months after launch when they saw nothing would change with Guild Wars 2 balance/game mode/reward system. Only decent players stayed and maybe 1 or 2 “Pros”. Yes, some of you might be the top of the ladder now, but had the original crew stayed…. the ladder would be very different indeed. Just because you have a party of 5 on team speak or such doesn’t make you pro, nor does “fraping” yourself while playing.

I ask that you get off your high horse as you ruin this game further with your horrible attitude. You are not “Deities” of this game. Telling others only you and your friends know what is wrong with this game in your superior knowledge of everything Guild Wars 2 is faulty and stupid at best. Other people can tell there are problems and they don’t’ have to tPvP to know. (This is not directly thrown at OP but to the vast majority of our current “Pros”. Yes I use that term mockingly.)

Vanthian.9267:

Demon.5082:

Having a mesmer myself, I really want to know this mesmer because any mesmer that can survive against a good necro is a downright master of his class lol. Mesmer condition removal is much more horrid than warrior. It is just that they have more active defense with stealth/target drop/distraction from many illusions/immunity on a 45sec cd if traited for/chaos armor/daze.

Apparently you don’t know Mesmer as well as you think you do.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Conflagration

There are builds out there for Mesmers in which they can kill Necromancers even in the current state of the game. You just won’t see it in tPvP. Mesmer is by far the strongest class which can be traited for any situation.

That requires to play with a torch, where I think other weapons as pistol or focus are still above. Anyway, it’s worth a try.

deathTouch.9706:

apt.9184:

Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.

I can spend 1,000 hours learning how to play warrior to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, or I can play a necro and mesmer for 10 hours and learn how to play it to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, and then play it for 100 more hours and play it at a point where it is exceptional in tpvp.

That’s the problem in a nutshell.

Well the thing is its not going to be an easy class to play everything is not going to be handed to you, but by no means does it need a million threads on the topic. Anet has already seen its an issue and hopefully will implement some more tools to make them fit into the meta some way. I am just hoping that the changes do not decrease the skill cap significantly because I kind of like that this class toke a good while to learn.

i think to learn playing warrior, you first need to learn playing all the other class, because more than any other class, warrior kill or die is a matter of how you react to the move of your opponent.

wariors cant get close to deal dmg from the milion CC on them placed thac the problem not their dmg and this is stupid you obviosly dont play war i got almoust evry class to lvl 80 and war are weekest in pvp maybe whit rifle they can do something but only rifle and the new map just proves how ussles they are

apt.9184:

deathTouch.9706:

apt.9184:

Lol I agree with bry. There is kittening a 100 threads about warriors being bad I agree the warriors are not meta atm, but everyone is acting like warriors can’t do anything. First L2P the class then post your concerns. There are a lot of tricks with the class you can learn to be successful.

I can spend 1,000 hours learning how to play warrior to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, or I can play a necro and mesmer for 10 hours and learn how to play it to a point where it is average to above average in tpvp, and then play it for 100 more hours and play it at a point where it is exceptional in tpvp.

That’s the problem in a nutshell.

Well the thing is its not going to be an easy class to play everything is not going to be handed to you, but by no means does it need a million threads on the topic. Anet has already seen its an issue and hopefully will implement some more tools to make them fit into the meta some way. I am just hoping that the changes do not decrease the skill cap significantly because I kind of like that this class toke a good while to learn.

I thought this maybe 5 months ago lol. But 10 months in, nah they don’t know what to do with it.