Guild Wars 2

The title is self explanatory but I shall explain.

We all know PvP needs improving or so its accessibility and leader-boards anyhow.

But with constant bombardment of ‘nerf this, nerf that’ … ‘this is too OP, that is too OP’ How can they take this part of the community seriously?
Just because you’re bad at the game or get wiped clean by a pro player does not mean something is wrong with the game.

For example, a necro ruined me, But I didn’t think, wow OP… I have to question why he wiped me, what do I have to look out for. When is the best opportunity to counter, what can I counter with. Is it best to take this man on 2 v 1 due to my class being glass or do I have to find a way to get an advantage on him. Once I’ve asked all the relevant questions and have no way to counter simply because he is just to overpowered THEN I can move onto the forums and voice my opinion.
But I’m seeing countless topics from people coming out of a game and just ranting because they got ruined.

Learn your class, master your class, rework your key-bindings for that class, learn the map, learn the opponents class and builds, learn the best decisions to make for the team. Play smart and work together. Maybe even build a team, go further and communicate via teamspeak. EVEN via team chat, that can be enough sometimes to keep up a good rotation. Lastly… Learn to blame yourself.

Once you have ticked most of these, THEN perhaps consider a rant.
Give Arena net a break and instead constructively give them feedback about what to improve on and give them SOLUTIONS to your problems.
I am no spokesmen but I love this game and I might be the only person saying this right now, but I love their PvP! I just want them to make the best out of it without a few bad apples spoiling everything
Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?
Maybe you should possibly consider looking at NCsoft who can even dictate their financial decisions which may effect where their attention is focused on.
Take a step back and look at the threads and ask yourself if you would like this to be your community of your game. It isn’t the worst and this by far is one of the best communities I’ve have the pleasure of being apart of. But maybe they would listen a bit more if we were actually on their side and not always fighting against them.

Thanks – Ethereal Phantom(ingame)
current main: Mesmer

Tbh a lot of popular builds suck in a sense that they are completely lopsided and anti-fun. It’s a case of rolling around until someone trips and gets instagibbed.

If i’m to fight something, i want the person I’m playing against to have to think about what they’re doing.

The way the games designed, this is actually discouraged, you’re rewarded more for just hitting whatevers off cooldown and letting procs and sigils do the rest.

And er.. if we’re not to blame Anet, who do you expect us to blame? They are the ones who made the game the way it is..

As far as i know forums are made for complaints/suggestions/feedback etc.

Players who are happy with the game, don’t care or don’t have enough knowledge(arguable) don’t post on forums that is why it seems like all posts on forums are QQ and blaming Anet…
Reason why players post on forums (even rage threads) is because they like this game and care about it or they would be playing something else already~

Besides, we all know the real culpit is managment, ncsoft and co. but they don’t read forums so all we can do is send our complaints to Anet~

Puck, You’ve been around these forums for a few days posting everywhere. If you look at a lot of the history here most people comment on claims of XYZ op and explain how it isn’t to newer/worse players. There is a lot of strong discussion that goes on in these threads even if not everyone has a solid understanding of mechanics that posts here, most post occur for a reason be it actual imbalance or low skill level; and the rest of the people whom respond on popular threads tend to bring good points to the threads. Even low skill level thread complaints are useful because it brings up conversation on how to counter something and informs a player that they aren’t the only one suffering from a problem and that there is a way to deal with it (improving etc).

The Devs don’t post here for multiple reasons (much being they don’t want to make promises they can’t keep even if they might want to make a change they prob don’t have to resources to do so, If I recall they used to be pretty active on the pvp and subclass forms like way back beta era) It isn’t because the content of threads is lacking (yeah some are but many are not) and the lack of leader-boards and other changes we have are not caused by complaint threads, that’s just silly.

Yeah I really would like to have a lot of changes, I make post about having them all the time, and I do that to keep the reminder there that people want the changes. Am I upset that arena net STILL hasen’t given us many of these changes? Yes of course, I actively invest in the company via in-game store because I love the game. I know they are understaffed in the ability to support all aspects of the game and the PvP game gets the short end of the stick because unlike me, most pvpers don’t purchase In game store items, as much as PvEers do, and PvPers also have less reason to drop money on an Expo (assuming the new specs don’t totally outshine the rest). This is all on top of the fact the PvP size is much less than the PvE. The fact of the matter is PvP generates the least for anet, this means we will always be secondary focus to PvE.

TL;DR: Just because a player is bad doesn’t mean they have the right to post. It’s up to the forum as a community to properly explain to the player what’s likely happening to them and how they can overcome it. Calling them a noob and telling them to just get better doen’t help. Players who explain WHY they are failing and what to work on to improve do help. Anet doesn’t not make changes just because we make dumb posts, that’s silly.

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

If i’m to fight something, i want the person I’m playing against to have to think about what they’re doing.

The way the games designed, this is actually discouraged, you’re rewarded more for just hitting whatevers off cooldown and letting procs and sigils do the rest.

And er.. if we’re not to blame Anet, who do you expect us to blame? They are the ones who made the game the way it is..

That is how I felt, especially fighting rangers. They go through a 3 button cycle and drop me while I have to play the piano on my keyboard.
However, Once I found the counter to a ranger they bend to my knees now! A person using a very powerful build has no power if they do not know how to use it to its full potential, if you look up some power rangers competitively, or even WvW there is some skill involved. But my motto is, it is not all about the skill it is about the plays and decision making.
So yes there are some fairly easy to use builds out there but if they are being used in an easy way, they are easy to counter.

You also can’t blame procs and sigils as they are what define your build, without them what else… just utilities and weapon swaps? then it would merely come down to about 4 builds per class of which only 2 would probably be used in meta so it would get stale very quick.

OneKlicKill.4285:

Puck, You’ve been around these forums for a few days posting everywhere. If you look at a lot of the history here most people comment on claims of XYZ op and explain how it isn’t to newer/worse players. There is a lot of strong discussion that goes on in these threads even if not everyone has a solid understanding of mechanics that posts here, most post occur for a reason be it actual imbalance or low skill level; and the rest of the people whom respond on popular threads tend to bring good points to the threads. Even low skill level thread complaints are useful because it brings up conversation on how to counter something and informs a player that they aren’t the only one suffering from a problem and that there is a way to deal with it (improving etc).

The Devs don’t post here for multiple reasons (much being they don’t want to make promises they can’t keep even if they might want to make a change they prob don’t have to resources to do so, If I recall they used to be pretty active on the pvp and subclass forms like way back beta era) It isn’t because the content of threads is lacking (yeah some are but many are not) and the lack of leader-boards and other changes we have are not caused by complaint threads, that’s just silly.

Yeah I really would like to have a lot of changes, I make post about having them all the time, and I do that to keep the reminder there that people want the changes. Am I upset that arena net STILL hasen’t given us many of these changes? Yes of course, I actively invest in the company via in-game store because I love the game. I know they are understaffed in the ability to support all aspects of the game and the PvP game gets the short end of the stick because unlike me, most pvpers don’t purchase In game store items, as much as PvEers do, and PvPers also have less reason to drop money on an Expo (assuming the new specs don’t totally outshine the rest). This is all on top of the fact the PvP size is much less than the PvE. The fact of the matter is PvP generates the least for anet, this means we will always be secondary focus to PvE.

TL;DR: Just because a player is bad doesn’t mean they have the right to post. It’s up to the forum as a community to properly explain to the player what’s likely happening to them and how they can overcome it. Calling them a noob and telling them to just get better doen’t help. Players who explain WHY they are failing and what to work on to improve do help. Anet doesn’t not make changes just because we make dumb posts, that’s silly.

I heavily agree with you on all of this.
My issue is

• the negativity surrounding Arena Net
• the less thought out threads aimed towards them
  If in fact as you say, the ‘noobs’ were on here simply asking how to solve a situation then I wouldn’t be here as actively as I am. I hear rage a lot and it is always aimed at arena net not caring or listening, more so in-game but quite a bit on here too. Like I said this community is good compared to most out there. Maybe my observations are very limited considering the time I’ve actually been here but I can kind of tell how it is. People need to learn to make noise without aggression such as
  as you pointed out purchasing off the gem store like myself to help fund them, we need more of that as it would help redirect their attention back to PvP.
  Thanks for your reply

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

If i’m to fight something, i want the person I’m playing against to have to think about what they’re doing.

The way the games designed, this is actually discouraged, you’re rewarded more for just hitting whatevers off cooldown and letting procs and sigils do the rest.

And er.. if we’re not to blame Anet, who do you expect us to blame? They are the ones who made the game the way it is..

It’s probably not ideal to do that but it actually does the job nicely enough. Atm I just kicked everything to the kitten it bucket and rolled a P/P venom Thief. All i have to do is spam 3 and hope my sigils proc. Does the job, kittenes people off as an added bonus.

Cynz.9437:

Players who are happy with the game, don’t care or don’t have enough knowledge(arguable) don’t post on forums that is why it seems like all posts on forums are QQ and blaming Anet…

While I agree with this diagnosis, I couldn’t help but smile at the “players who don’t have enough knowledge don’t post on forums” part. As if! I think one of the reason we have these upsetting LB is because the forum illiterates were incapable of understanding how Glicko 2 worked.

Sorel.4870:

Cynz.9437:

Players who are happy with the game, don’t care or don’t have enough knowledge(arguable) don’t post on forums that is why it seems like all posts on forums are QQ and blaming Anet…

While I agree with this diagnosis, I couldn’t help but smile at the “players who don’t have enough knowledge don’t post on forums” part. As if! I think one of the reason we have these upsetting LB is because the forum illiterates were incapable of understanding how Glicko 2 worked.

that is why i wrote “arguable” :P… you can’t deny that player has to experience game at least once to be able to post something worthy discussion (trolls don’t count :P)

TIL GW2 uses Glicko-2.

Spirigo.2897:

TIL GW2 uses Glicko-2.

Yup. But the LB used to be based on your Glicko 2 MMR alone, and people were complaining about it being “broken” because people with only a small number of games played had a good position on the LB. Had them read the algorithm, they would have understand.

Sorel.4870:

Spirigo.2897:

TIL GW2 uses Glicko-2.

Yup. But the LB used to be based on your Glicko 2 MMR alone, and people were complaining about it being “broken” because people with only a small number of games played had a good position on the LB. Had them read the algorithm, they would have understand.

actually my major complain with old system was class stacking
and the fact that game tries to force you to lose if you go above 50% win rate

Cynz.9437:

and the fact that game tries to force you to lose if you go above 50% win rate

Dude… You ARE forced to lose if you go above 50% win rate in ANY game, unless you are in the best team in your region.

The reason is simple: Glicko and Elo try to predict the outcome a a game and modify your rank in consequence. So if you keep winning, you keep climbing on the rank ladder, and eventually face players that are better or equal to you. Why would you want to have a win rate higher than 50%? The more games you play, the closer you will get to a 50% ratio, it’s normal. In the mean time, you can get better, so your win ratio can be a bit higher than that, but I what kind of system can you expect a 75% win ratio? The mean ratio is necessarily 50%, since in every match, 5 players lose and 5 win.

P v T v Z level balance, proper LB and match making, Bugs from beta affecting skills fixed.

Only then will we have peace.

Sorel.4870:

Cynz.9437:

and the fact that game tries to force you to lose if you go above 50% win rate

Dude… You ARE forced to lose if you go above 50% win rate in ANY game, unless you are in the best team in your region.

The reason is simple: Glicko and Elo try to predict the outcome a a game and modify your rank in consequence. So if you keep winning, you keep climbing on the rank ladder, and eventually face players that are better or equal to you. Why would you want to have a win rate higher than 50%? The more games you play, the closer you will get to a 50% ratio, it’s normal. In the mean time, you can get better, so your win ratio can be a bit higher than that, but I what kind of system can you expect a 75% win ratio? The mean ratio is necessarily 50%, since in every match, 5 players lose and 5 win.

No, you are not forcred to lose with 50% win rate in other games~

If you win a lot, you just gain more points, you get better teammates and better opponents.
In gw2: your win rate is above 50%? You get worse teammates and better opponents than before… it is huge difference.
Let’s rate playerskillwise/winrate from 1 to 10. What happens in gw2 is:
winrate <= 50%: your team is something like 5,4,5,3,6; enemy team is about same
winrate > 50: your team: 5,1,2,3,1 vs 10,6,7,5,4
you still keep winning? well enjoy 4v5 and 3v5… i had way too many matches when we didn’t have 5th and 4th person from begin with, at all, whole match

it is their fault when they choose to align themselves with nc soft in the first place.

they could have chosen a better publisher.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

it is their fault when they choose to align themselves with nc soft in the first place.

they could have chosen a better publisher.

this gotta be first time i agree with you lol~

A guy with zero competitive play presence telling people to L2P. The balancing decisions actually matter and make a difference, though you’re too green to understand anything.

Stay classy, casual.

All OP is saying is we should stop slamming Anet for “everything”. He is right about that, we should not blame Anet for everything.

He is making a really good point about all the QQ posts on forums, 99% of those posts were written by people who took a build off of metabattle (the optimal meta build of course), went into ranked and expected to “pwn” immediately. Then when they were not as crazy OP as they thought, since they had no clue, no interest and no inclination to explore why… they came to the forums and complained about certain class/skill/sigil/trait/etc… that killed them. Because obviously they cannot lose with a build from metabattle and them being good and all that.

Sure Anet can be blamed for a lot of things, even balancing based on forum QQ (which is a terrible idea btw.), but we should not blame Anet for our own behavior.

For this meta? There are some minor tweaks that need to be made to make it much less frustrating
By all means it’s not a healthy meta, as the ‘meta’ builds can flat out hard counter ENTIRE professions.

As for the past metas, ArenaNet kittens up HARD. Like, HAAAAAARD.

• Immobilize Stacking limit removed, allowing players to land 20+ seconds of immobilize.
• Dhuumfire allowing Necromancers to blow up people with conditions with no counterplay.
• Engineer Turrets allowing stupidly powerful point control.
• Stun bug, increasing the duration of all stuns to nearly a minute.
• Tornado Rez, Elementalists self rezzing with tornado.
• Skyhammer

Now lets announce their greatest sin.

Letting these changes RUIN the PvP game for 6 months.
There is absolutely no excuse for that. Any developer will laugh at ArenaNets attempt for a Esports.

And the worst part is, how quiet they are here on the forums. Where they let threads go on and on with 0 acknowledgement.
Remember that whole thread with 100 plus replies not to long ago regarding ranger damage?

Wouldn’t it be amazing if someone said this"Rapid Fire is powerful but it does have counterplay. We personally like where the longbow damage is, however, I personally don't like for the animations for Point Blank Shot and Hunter's Shot. I'll pass some animation ideas to the team. Rangers have powerful range but those skills can make them uncatchable to newer players. In contrast, I'm considering to have hunters shot heal the ranger a little to emphasis the important of landing this skill and reward good defense."

We’re not the plague ArenaNet, we’re puppies. We lick and we bite, just accept that.

serenke.4806:

All OP is saying is we should stop slamming Anet for “everything”. He is right about that, we should not blame Anet for everything.

He is making a really good point about all the QQ posts on forums, 99% of those posts were written by people who took a build off of metabattle (the optimal meta build of course), went into ranked and expected to “pwn” immediately. Then when they were not as crazy OP as they thought, since they had no clue, no interest and no inclination to explore why… they came to the forums and complained about certain class/skill/sigil/trait/etc… that killed them. Because obviously they cannot lose with a build from metabattle and them being good and all that.

Sure Anet can be blamed for a lot of things, even balancing based on forum QQ (which is a terrible idea btw.), but we should not blame Anet for our own behavior.

Give this man a cookie.

Class balancing should be the LEAST of our worries. As players we will adapt.

The atrocious removal of Solo Arena & this awful matchmaking should be the real concern. Arenanet has built a fine game, but pvp players don’t grow on trees.

Hotjoin is a COMPLETE DISASTER. That is a fact, deny it at your peril. Removing Solo Arena has caused teams and solo players to merge, creating lopsided games(premades, etc.). This goofy matchmaking has been implemented as a result.

Sorry but everything is Arenanet’s fault! Even if NCSoft was extremely stingy with financing or whatever, content direction has all been Arenanet! Dumb sigil/trait proc mechanics, bad leaderboards, bad and slow balance, immob stacking (probably the worst addition to the game yet), only one game mode, bad matchmaking, buggy mechanics like air immob and movement desyncs.. how can you blame any of these things on NCSoft when Arenanet has had 3 years to make something out of PvP and hasn’t addressed any of these issues since launch!

I used to be like you! I supported this game through all the poop and crud and Dhuumfires; through all the Skyhammers, desyncs, 6 month patches, and immob stacking! But when you’ve been playing this game for as long as I have… good luck trying to stay frandly!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Puck.1509:

Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?

you’ll find a thread here if you dig deep enough of over 2000 of us letting Anet know how much we HATE skyhammer and want it out of the rotation…
ITS STILL IN THE UNRANKED ROTATION.

yes, i honestly think they don’t listen and don’t care.

Also Mid Air Immob

Liewec.2896:

Puck.1509:

Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?

you’ll find a thread here if you dig deep enough of over 2000 of us letting Anet know how much we HATE skyhammer and want it out of the rotation…
ITS STILL IN THE UNRANKED ROTATION.

yes, i honestly think they don’t listen and don’t care.

Incorrect. It is in UNRANKED rotation. It is not in RANKED rotation where it matters most, so yes if it was in ranked rotation then it has been changed otherwise that was a rather stupid request in the first place to basically remove it entirely from the game..

serenke.4806:

All OP is saying is we should stop slamming Anet for “everything”. He is right about that, we should not blame Anet for everything.

He is making a really good point about all the QQ posts on forums, 99% of those posts were written by people who took a build off of metabattle (the optimal meta build of course), went into ranked and expected to “pwn” immediately. Then when they were not as crazy OP as they thought, since they had no clue, no interest and no inclination to explore why… they came to the forums and complained about certain class/skill/sigil/trait/etc… that killed them. Because obviously they cannot lose with a build from metabattle and them being good and all that.

Sure Anet can be blamed for a lot of things, even balancing based on forum QQ (which is a terrible idea btw.), but we should not blame Anet for our own behavior.

Thank you, I’m honestly starting to believe people who have quit are still lingering on the forums just waiting for the opportunity to give Arena Net a bad rep.

I mean seriously, are there only really a handful of people who truly enjoy this game enough to look past some minor bugs? Yes they can be fixed, but if it was CLEAR to them that these were the real problems amongst all the trash talk and negativity about their unwillingness to help then maybe changes can happen. I haven’t been around for 3 years so I can’t say for sure what they have neglected but I’ve played their game at launch and now currently 3-4 years later. I quit because of boredom for some of it but also the stale PvP. Now I’m back I’m in love with PvP, so whatever you guys are going on about, it clearly isn’t that big of a deal as I’m not experiencing most of the issues ENOUGH for me to just give up and lay down. This game is amazing, smoke something and take a real look at the almost near masterpiece they have crafted.

It is almost like anything they do someone will ’’QQ’’ about. ALMOST as if some people just want things to go wrong just to be proven right so their ego can feel at ease. I care about the game as much as anyone else, I purchase on the gem store, I’m beginning to make videos and I’m trying to recruit via word of mouth and trying my best to contribute to the forums. That is my way of caring for the game and the company. Not ALWAYS looking for kitten in the game otherwise why am I here?

I’m no fanboy either, if this game crashes and dies I’m out. I’m personally only here for PvP that is why I’m strong on helping this game succeed because I’ve put a lot of time learning and building my skill and with a lot to go I want the best for this game. For what it is, it is done well and I can safely say this is a very difficult game to balance with the sheer amount going on, on the battlefield.

So far even with a few OP builds, bugged mechanics, leaderboard issues, matchmaking issues and apparently faulty maps, this game does what it does well.
I do advocate change in these areas just like anyone else, but in a way that they can seriously consider what I am saying and not just role their eyes.
I bet half these problems were problems before the change also. People ask for change due to a bug then ask for the change from the change.
Anyway that’s my take on it.
It’d just be nice to talk about the current changes needed without criticizing them and or comparing them to other companies with perhaps simpler games to manage.

Just look at the scale of this game and what it offers then look into the size of their team and really ask your self how much they must have to do daily to make a few people happy. PvE, WvW and PvP. Don’t even tell me about them biting off more than they can chew as they’ve done a really good job keeping them all alive. Give them SOME credit.

So you’re saying don’t blame Anet for ruining the leaderboards and refusing to revert anything they’ve done wrong (which is many things).

Ok.

People are giving constructive criticism and we all love this game. That’s why we’re taking our time to log in to a forum and give feedback on how to make it better.

No one is slamming arena-net. I believe they are just frustrated that it takes 6 months to a year for small quick fix patches to occur.

Elitist.8701:

So you’re saying don’t blame Anet for ruining the leaderboards and refusing to revert anything they’ve done wrong (which is many things).

Ok.

No its not that I refuse to blame them, I made a previous post about what to improve upon to help the leaderboards and to segregate the noobs from the pros a little easier.
What I’m saying is, almost anything they do is classed as wrong. I can guarantee that the reason the LB changed or any other system for that matter because of QQ then as it stands, people want it back.
They nerfed the turret engineers. I’m now hearing how they need a nerf again. Necros are also on the list now. It just keeps going and all I’m asking is that people take a step back and yes talk about the leaderboards a little more, talk about the things that really do need to change not just things that make you rage because you’re a bad player(not you specifically) but serious changes.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

People are giving constructive criticism and we all love this game. That’s why we’re taking our time to log in to a forum and give feedback on how to make it better.

No one is slamming arena-net. I believe they are just frustrated that it takes 6 months to a year for small quick fix patches to occur.

I agree, however they cannot simply implement a quick fix unless they know themselves that it is the right thing. What if 100 people make a complaint, however 1000 people who are not on the forums have no problems with it. That 100 people are gonna make a lot of noise that the majority are not fussed about. So they have to really think and kitten what changes are necessary and maybe it does take 6 months to make some minor changes because they can build up. Balances have to be very precise.

Puck.1509:

Trevor Boyer.6524:

People are giving constructive criticism and we all love this game. That’s why we’re taking our time to log in to a forum and give feedback on how to make it better.

No one is slamming arena-net. I believe they are just frustrated that it takes 6 months to a year for small quick fix patches to occur.

I agree, however they cannot simply implement a quick fix unless they know themselves that it is the right thing. What if 100 people make a complaint, however 1000 people who are not on the forums have no problems with it. That 100 people are gonna make a lot of noise that the majority are not fussed about. So they have to really think and kitten what changes are necessary and maybe it does take 6 months to make some minor changes because they can build up. Balances have to be very precise.

This is all true and I completely agree with your approach on trying to inform the community to chill out in the forums. We have two problems going on here:

• (A) One person posts some ill thought out complaint on the forum. Usually this happens after they’ve sat in /m chat kittening for an hour and arguing with other players about it. Then other people see this forum post and start jumping on the band wagon. Since they’ve already heard the current kittening in /m chat, it becomes suggestive, mentally and then they believe there is some nerf that needs to occur. Again, I want to stress the statement of “ill thought out”. I could literally prove this point to be true by writing some stupid thread about oh let’s say… Lifesteal ~ it’s overpowered on sigils/runes and traits because it is unmitigatable damage that neither protection nor toughness can stagger. It provides too much extra sustain in 1v1 situations on-point. You complain about fire/air? Go 1v1 someone with blood/leeching and then complain to me about fire/air. Upon this, even low power builds can still deal direct heavy damage with life steal procs and life steal also makes a bunker spec deal considerable heavy damage with superior sustain. Do I believe what I just stated? Hell no but if I wrote an actual thread on that and kittened about it in /m chat for a few days, it would become suggestive and people would hop on the band wagon.
• (B) Arena Net wants to tend to their masses and keep them happy “any company wants this”. I believe that even when Arena Net knows that something is not exactly the best change, they sometimes need to do it anyway if there are thousands of people who are unhappy about something. If 100 people complain in the forum, that usually means there are 1000 people in-game who aren’t posting complaints in the forum but are agreeing with the suggestive in-game /m chat complaining. This crap spreads like a virus and the biggest reason why is because they love to find something to blame a lose on rather than themselves. But even so, if they are all unhappy, Arena Net must tend to them and this is unfortunate.

The above is exactly why your statements are correct to inform the community that they need to “relax”. If it isn’t turrets it will be something else and then something else after that… so on and so forth. They need to be careful what they wish for because it just might happen as it did with the complete destruction of engineer turrets.

Another every thing is fine and dandy genius. When people pay $$$$$ to a company they every right in the world to complain if they don’t like what they got for there money. Get in the real world and spare us the lectures.

It isn’t everything but just a simple fact that there’s many things that are wrong and nothing is being done about it. People joke about NCsoft’s effect on Anet’s management but you would be surprised that I see less complaints (about gameplay) throughout their AION forums than I do in the GW2 forums.

At the end of the day, Anet is responsible for the game’s balance, gameplay, bugs and consistency. Players adapt to what they’re given, if a ridiculously strong aspect exists, players would complain about it or exploit it. That’s why Anet should pay attention to their game and pick out things without it degrading gameplay (look up Dota2 changelogs). A vocal minority or majority, if the complaint is valid, it’s up to Anet to communicate their intentions.

Just consider how slowly they pull out balance updates is a sign that they’re rather poor in getting things done, and the slower you are, the more impatient players become. Learning to play a class is a barrier but learning cannot be encouraged in a disjointed environment. Look at the mess of ‘practice’ and the unbalance of ‘unranked’. Both of which are supposed to be establishing grounds for PvP, breeds bad behaviour and/or lame setups (turret engi for 6months?).

I completely disagree with the above 2 posts. Guild Wars 2 is actually the most balanced MMORPG I have ever seen, when it comes to the competitive scene. Conquest, Classes “what they counter & what they get countered by”, it’s actually very balanced for it’s genre. I also don’t want to hear any bullkitten about Guild Wars 1 being more balanced than Guild Wars 2 because this is entirely untrue. During the end of Guild Wars 1’s era “right before GW2 release”, the game was in a state where melee characters were useless in actual team pvp, guild vs. guild, ABs and hell even RA they sucked. The game was all about the holy trinity: Monk/Mesmer/Necromancer and sometimes the occasional good Elementalist. There were many reasons why caster mechanics were transcendent vs. melee mechanics in GW1 “Ill spare you all from the text wall details” but the point being is that this was an enormous gross error in the game’s design and it was never fixed. Point being is that most other games are in worse condition than GW2 has ever been. At least Arena Net does eventually fix problems. Some companies just pretty much tell you “hey that’s the way it was intended to be” and that is the end of the story.

I think is important to point out that when we were all younger and playing these old nostalgic games that we grew up with, we weren’t noticing the gross errors that these games had in them but now that we are older, most of us consider ourselves gamer connoisseurs and feel the need freely criticize every single tiny little inconvenience that we notice. The problem is that too many people refer to these little inconveniences as: “exploits, broken, OP, UP” but the truth is that they are rarely any of those four descriptions. They are simply small inconveniences that were complained about by a few people in /m chat and the forum, then went viral due to the suggestive complaining effect. If you were 15 years old again, you wouldn’t give a kitten to complain about fire/air sigils, you would just start using them. Consider this and consider what is truly broken, exploited, OP or UP before complaining about it.

I agree that Arena Net could be getting small patch work done much more frequently or even larger patch work but don’t act like Guild Wars 2 is a kitten game as you log in to it’s forum every day to give the feedback of the game type that you hate so much, that you play every day. All you’re doing is spreading the virus with suggestive complaining and this does nothing to help the community or Arena Net have positive incentive to communicate together. Seriously…. you are not helping by trash talking Arena Net.

If you have something to say to arena-net, do it quaintly and respectfully. Everyone can appreciate this.

Look for the number of threads that stay front page for a long time if you want to see issues that stick and lots of people want changed. Yes you’ll see lots of random cries about nothing BUT you shouldn’t think that continuous complaint about issues aren’t reasoned and rational.

SD Thief when Sword #2 was a stunbreak, 2 condi removes, Sword #3 could be loaded preport. Was complained about for a long time and deservedly so.

Turret Engi was warping the format utterly.

Sigils (still waiting on action here -.-’).

Dhuumfire.

These things all stayed front page with multiple threads for a long time and for good reason. Anet moved pretty slow on all except Turrets. People tend to get upset because it feels like they are screaming into the void, then Anet does make a change but by then people are so exhausted and fed up that Anet doesn’t get the credit for the change. I sympathise with Anet though because they can’t say “we’re looking into it” for everything because then people expect action and they have other time tables to consider.

People post on the forums because they care, lots of what people care about is nonsense and can be ignored BUT when lots of people hate the same thing for a long period it would be nice for a small response (tbf they did say they noticed the Turret thing and acted swiftly after).

Them nerfing preloading s3 dumbed down s/d… what a glorious fabrication you have crafted.
Forcing an enemy player towards your return point took positioning. preloading larc strike + return took timing (as you had to time when he would dodge roll past the circle). Them adding a Cd on return dumbed it down even more. instead of using your return for medium/short range it forced every thieve to set there return point at long range and use the “In/out” fighting style you see now.

and the reason it was nerfed was due to port stomping not because you could “preload”

don’t try and justfify one of the dumbest changes on the thieve class. you do realize this game targets casual players, that means the player base is pretty much a revolving door. new player’s don’t understand basic thief mechanics and they whine on the forum. which gave you the appearance that it was “rightfully” nerfed. i guess the counter of “walking in the other direction” was to complicated for some people.

Highlie.7641:

Them nerfing preloading s3 dumbed down s/d… what a glorious fabrication you have crafted.
Forcing an enemy player towards your return point took positioning. preloading larc strike + return took timing (as you had to time when he would dodge roll past the circle). Them adding a Cd on return dumbed it down even more. instead of using your return for medium/short range it forced every thieve to set there return point at long range and use the “In/out” fighting style you see now.

and the reason it was nerfed was due to port stomping not because you could “preload”

don’t try and justfify one of the dumbest changes on the thieve class. you do realize this game targets casual players, that means the player base is pretty much a revolving door. new player’s don’t understand basic thief mechanics and they whine on the forum. which gave you the appearance that it was “rightfully” nerfed. i guess the counter of “walking in the other direction” was to complicated for some people.

… What kind of ridiculous things are you saying xD You pushed 3 miles away and then pushed 3 and Steal… This did not require skill.

Puck.1509:

Liewec.2896:

Puck.1509:

Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?

you’ll find a thread here if you dig deep enough of over 2000 of us letting Anet know how much we HATE skyhammer and want it out of the rotation…
ITS STILL IN THE UNRANKED ROTATION.

yes, i honestly think they don’t listen and don’t care.

Incorrect. It is in UNRANKED rotation. It is not in RANKED rotation where it matters most, so yes if it was in ranked rotation then it has been changed otherwise that was a rather stupid request in the first place to basically remove it entirely from the game..

This would imply that you’re suggesting that the leaderboards in its current state, means something.

Countless

Leave Britney Alone !!!11!

Trigr.6481:

Puck.1509:

Liewec.2896:

Puck.1509:

Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?

you’ll find a thread here if you dig deep enough of over 2000 of us letting Anet know how much we HATE skyhammer and want it out of the rotation…
ITS STILL IN THE UNRANKED ROTATION.

yes, i honestly think they don’t listen and don’t care.

Incorrect. It is in UNRANKED rotation. It is not in RANKED rotation where it matters most, so yes if it was in ranked rotation then it has been changed otherwise that was a rather stupid request in the first place to basically remove it entirely from the game..

This would imply that you’re suggesting that the leaderboards in its current state, means something.

Countless

How so? What has unranked got to do with the leaderboards?

Puck.1509:

Trigr.6481:

Puck.1509:

Liewec.2896:

Puck.1509:

Do you HONESTLY believe they do not care about their own game and the people who spend money to play it?

you’ll find a thread here if you dig deep enough of over 2000 of us letting Anet know how much we HATE skyhammer and want it out of the rotation…
ITS STILL IN THE UNRANKED ROTATION.

yes, i honestly think they don’t listen and don’t care.

Incorrect. It is in UNRANKED rotation. It is not in RANKED rotation where it matters most, so yes if it was in ranked rotation then it has been changed otherwise that was a rather stupid request in the first place to basically remove it entirely from the game..

This would imply that you’re suggesting that the leaderboards in its current state, means something.

Countless

How so? What has unranked got to do with the leaderboards?

He meant that the current leaderboards is a misrepresentation of the definition for a leaderboard. Thus ranked and unranked are pretty much similar aside from the map rotations.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

wall of text.

You say you completely disagree yet your highlights seem to agree to the points I mentioned. Need more frequent updates, up to Anet is worry about what’s good/bad feedback, players will always utilize the one sided power option.

What I see are a few issues (about 5-10) and people annoyed with them.
People are not slamming Anet for everything, but a lot of people are asking for these things that should be fixed, which makes it seem as if everyone is complaining.

Personally I just want more maps.

I didn´t read that discussion — but +1 for the topic