Guild Wars 2

Instead nerf or remove celestial amulet. ty

Lol cele amulet has nothing to do with ele being op, all the other builds that use cele amulet are fine

More lack of understanding of core issues. Yay!

before the celestial amulet buff, classes will use certain amulets for specific roles, berserker, cleric, rabid, soldier etc. when you see a condi engi or necro you know he is using one of the condi amulet. you see a bunker guard you know he using soldier or cleric same for dps (zerker) thief etc. even the shoutbow build use cleric or settler before celestial buff but it wasnt well known in tourney, same for ele (beside FA dps) wasnt seen any use in tourney. but with the celestial buff suddenly every class can be tanky, support and dps (condi/sustain). now put that with a class built to do everything like the ele. now on with the QQ.

cele amulet is fine.

ele is not.

they cant die.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is fine.

ele is not.

they cant die.

It’s actually neither
Ele without Cele would see no gameplay (this is why you laugh at F/A ele and condi ele)
Ele nerfed would see no gameplay (as removing its viability with cele destroys viability with every other already nonviable spec)
Ele reworked will never happen (In the near and mid-far future ie 1-2 years)

So their only other option was to make a viable spec with tempest (LOL yeah we all saw what happend there)

So basically lets just coinflip to take ele out of the meta till they have time to rework the class, or leave it op until they have time to rework the class (and they chose the latter)

OneKlicKill.4285:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is fine.

ele is not.

they cant die.

It’s actually neither
Ele without Cele would see no gameplay (this is why you laugh at F/A ele and condi ele)
Ele nerfed would see no gameplay (as removing its viability with cele destroys viability with every other already nonviable spec)
Ele reworked will never happen (In the near and mid-far future ie 1-2 years)

I see nothing wrong with Marauder D/D Ele. They would basically be on the same level as other classes.

I don’t want to remove Cele amulet. I just want the Ele to perform the same on Cele like other classes.

Saiyan.1704:

OneKlicKill.4285:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is fine.

ele is not.

they cant die.

It’s actually neither
Ele without Cele would see no gameplay (this is why you laugh at F/A ele and condi ele)
Ele nerfed would see no gameplay (as removing its viability with cele destroys viability with every other already nonviable spec)
Ele reworked will never happen (In the near and mid-far future ie 1-2 years)

I see nothing wrong with Marauder D/D Ele. They would basically be on the same level as other classes.

I don’t want to remove Cele amulet. I just want the Ele to perform the same on Cele like other classes.

Marauder D/D isnt even close to viable. War/theif/mes/ranger are tiers above it
Marauder D/f is also kitten poor
Marauder s/f (fresh air) is only slightly better but cannot fill any the rolls of war/theif/mes/ranger. have less survivability, less consistent damge, less mobility.

They are not on the same level as other Marauder classes, there is a lot wrong with Marauder ele.

Well it is more complicated than one or the other. The combination of cele and ele currently is overpowered. They need to find a way to tweak the elementalist so that the cele ele is weaker due to the interaction of benefiting from all stats.

try to play dd fire ele w/o celestial amulet, yes it is not as powerful as with cele but still miles ahead of other classes….

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

before the celestial amulet buff, classes will use certain amulets for specific roles, berserker, cleric, rabid, soldier etc. when you see a condi engi or necro you know he is using one of the condi amulet. you see a bunker guard you know he using soldier or cleric same for dps (zerker) thief etc. even the shoutbow build use cleric or settler before celestial buff but it wasnt well known in tourney, same for ele (beside FA dps) wasnt seen any use in tourney. but with the celestial buff suddenly every class can be tanky, support and dps (condi/sustain). now put that with a class built to do everything like the ele. now on with the QQ.

There is only 2 builds using cele amulet, only 1 of which is godly strong, ele… The other Signet necro, which is a build in response to ele and other condi heavy spam.

Every other cele build / class is heavily neutered post 23rd.
Its a class issue, NOT a stat issue.

OneKlicKill.4285:

Marauder D/D isnt even close to viable. War/theif/mes/ranger are tiers above it
Marauder D/f is also kitten poor
Marauder s/f (fresh air) is only slightly better but cannot fill any the rolls of war/theif/mes/ranger. have less survivability, less consistent damge, less mobility.

They are not on the same level as other Marauder classes, there is a lot wrong with Marauder ele.

I love it how all these forum warriors still claim S/F Fresh Air to be bad. If they buff it even more, it will be over the top just like D/D. I’m not scared to fight any pvp build except for D/D ele as fresh air, especially other marauder/berserker builds get rekt vs. fresh air in a 1v1.

The myth of S/F being bad comes from scrub D/D eles that can’t deal with the fact that they actually need to think about their own actions for once while playing fresh air.

It may not be meta as it lacks team support and there are builds that fit better into teamcompositions, but S/F is definitely one of the strongest 1v1 builds if it wasn’t for D/D Eles. ROM would’ve been better off if he played fresh air in ToL instead of bersi warrior, thats for sure.

^ Yeah if you surprise someone you can insta gib them with S/F.

Cynz.9437:

try to play dd fire ele w/o celestial amulet, yes it is not as powerful as with cele but still miles ahead of other classes….

Or try cele on engie…it’s underwhelming beyond belief compared to pre-patch.

@op – it’s not the amulet, it’s the class

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Instead nerf or remove celestial amulet. ty

Ele deserves a nerf.
Nothing to comment

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Instead nerf or remove celestial amulet. ty

broken sinergy between traits + insane might stacking are the main ele problems and both deserve a nerf

nice try tho

OneKlicKill.4285:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

cele amulet is fine.

ele is not.

they cant die.

It’s actually neither
Ele without Cele would see no gameplay (this is why you laugh at F/A ele and condi ele)
Ele nerfed would see no gameplay (as removing its viability with cele destroys viability with every other already nonviable spec)
Ele reworked will never happen (In the near and mid-far future ie 1-2 years)

So their only other option was to make a viable spec with tempest (LOL yeah we all saw what happend there)

So basically lets just coinflip to take ele out of the meta till they have time to rework the class, or leave it op until they have time to rework the class (and they chose the latter)

This is untrue, dd ele on marauder is very strong, join dueling servers that lock out certain amus and ull see that theyre highly capable

Krysard.1364:

Lol cele amulet has nothing to do with ele being op, all the other builds that use cele amulet are fine

Cele Condi Mesmer is fine? Lol.
Cele Signet Necro is fine? Lol.

All other classes suck with cele now, so its debatly whether or not we should blame cele or the professions.

Can’t comment on Cele Mesmer, as I suck with on Mesmer no matter the build. That being said, Cele Signet Necro, while strong, is still not anywhere near the levels of faceroll that is Cele D/D ele.

Damage/Might Stacking: Decent if the Necro can drop you below 50% health.

Condi: Average. The majority of the builds condi damage ironically comes from other classes, particularly if you load up the Necro with burn. This is also because the transferred condi’s use their original sources Condi Damage stat. The condi pressure from boon conversion is mediocre at best, but still decent enough pressure that I’d rank it as average since the build doesn’t have reliable access to Burn like other Cele builds (RNG from boon converting and transferring back to opponents is not a reliable access to the condition).

Sustain: Excellent in 1v1’s. Terrible in any kind of a team fight. This has been more or less a Necro thing even before the Cele Signet Build. Necros with life force are tough cookies to crack in most 1v1 situation, however with no scaling defense they are highly susceptible to any kind of focus fire in team fights. Focus down the necro first is still a good strategy for a reason people.

Mobility: Non-existent. This can be bumped up a little by swapping Spectral Armour with Flesh Wurm, but most still prefer Spectral Armour due to how hit or miss the port on Flesh Wurm can be on some maps. Even with this, the Necros ability to disengage or flee engagements has and likely always will be the worst in game. Couple this with the lack of sustain in team fights mentioned above, and you have a class that doesn’t manage focus fire or have the ability to disengage from it and Necro drops like a rock.

CC/Stability/Stunbreaks: Access to a number of fears, and potential for more fears from converting stab is actually pretty good overall depending on the situation. However the access to fear from boon converting drops significantly the more boons on the target (ie Any class that can spam enough boons to make RNG work in their favour). Necros access to Stab remains almost non-existent. Taking Foot in the Grave to improve CC management is viable, but results in a hefty blow to DPS because it means giving up on Death Perception. This means that Necros absolutely need two stun-break utilities (in this case Plague Sig and Spectral Armour), and once those cool downs are blown they’re more or less sitting ducks to CC chains.

Now, after all of that, will I say Cele Signet Necro is good? Yes, it’s a solid build that is probably one of the best builds for 1v1 at the moment you can find. However it still has the same weaknesses that every Necro build has. Susceptibility to chain CC and no scaling defense to effectively deal with bursts besides just eating it in the face if we’re out of dodges. The build just doesn’t hold up a candle though to what Cele D/D Eles bring to the table.

In my opinion it’s the other classes that need buffs, because when you have 1 ele on enemy team, no prob
when you have 2 eles on enemy team its well crap, let’s attempt to win
when you have 3 eles on enemy team, you’re done for
There is a problem there, that even though you have different classes with their playstyles etc, put 3 d/d eles on opposite teams & it’s adios muchachos

Each class should be able to counter one another, not a “oh just bring 3 eles & you got this match in the bag!”

look you all might be right, and im wrong, but the truth is specially when Anet changes the traits to not give stat boost anymore is that cele amulet will give access to every stat you want that is not in other amulets. and like what others have said combine with the incredible synergy with the Ele it becomes so OP. but the thing is Ele is not OP without the cele amulet. nerfing ele will kill the class itself, but removing or nerfing the cele amulet will not kill ele or any class.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

but the thing is Ele is not OP without the cele amulet. nerfing ele will kill the class itself, but removing or nerfing the cele amulet will not kill ele or any class.

LOL

Ele is really the only class that is over the top OP with Cele. Nothing else is even close, how come you dont get that? Cele on war? Nope,. Cele on guard? Nope.

So stop with the nerf Cele and fix the OP Ele.

Spartacus.3192:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

but the thing is Ele is not OP without the cele amulet. nerfing ele will kill the class itself, but removing or nerfing the cele amulet will not kill ele or any class.

LOL

Ele is really the only class that is over the top OP with Cele. Nothing else is even close, how come you dont get that? Cele on war? Nope,. Cele on guard? Nope.

So stop with the nerf Cele and fix the OP Ele.

LOL Cele ele has been in the game for a while

How come there wasn’t this much QQ before???

BECAUSE ITS NOT CELE AMULET.

They have had this kind of bunkering and surviving ability for a while… you would know if you actually PvP’d…

This QQ started recently thanks to the burning update…. lot of classes can bunker like ele, but that comes at the expense of giving up DPS….

With the burning update, ele can now add DPS as they can ramp up their burning damage from all the mightstacking they got…

Its not the cele amulet dude…It just happens to be the optimal amulet to use with this OP spec… they could delete cele amulet and nothing would change… Ele would still be OP with knights or carrion or settlers or w/e… they will continue to be OP until the actual spec is altered, not the freaking amulet.

Players always complain. Now it’s elementalist, tomorow is revenant, then it’s thief, or mesmer, or necro, or guardian, and so on. Stop complaining, just enjoy the game.

If you do not like a profession, just play some other profession that you feel it’s great and awesome. This is the best message for developers to investigate why 74% of PvP players choose elementalist (just an example percentage). If elementalist gets nerfed, choose something else to send again a feedback to developers. That way you will always enjoy the game, while learning the best professions in game.

Acrisor.8097:

Players always complain. Now it’s elementalist, tomorow is revenant, then it’s thief, or mesmer, or necro, or guardian, and so on. Stop complaining, just enjoy the game.

If you do not like a profession, just play some other profession that you feel it’s great and awesome. This is the best message for developers to investigate why 74% of PvP players choose elementalist (just an example percentage). If elementalist gets nerfed, choose something else to send again a feedback to developers. That way you will always enjoy the game, while learning the best professions in game.

the problem is, not everyone can play elementalist well.

i have been playing for 3 years and i can never play elementalist well.
even in casual hotjoin.

SkiTz.4590:

Spartacus.3192:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

but the thing is Ele is not OP without the cele amulet. nerfing ele will kill the class itself, but removing or nerfing the cele amulet will not kill ele or any class.

LOL

Ele is really the only class that is over the top OP with Cele. Nothing else is even close, how come you dont get that? Cele on war? Nope,. Cele on guard? Nope.

So stop with the nerf Cele and fix the OP Ele.

Ele would still be OP with knights or carrion or settlers or w/e… they will continue to be OP until the actual spec is altered, not the freaking amulet.

This is basically why some people are asking for amulet nerf instead…so they would be able to just slap another one on and still faceroll

No guys…not gonna happen, double dagger ele is op and double dagger ele is gonna get nerfed and won’t (hopefully) carry bads anymore

Deal with it

SkiTz.4590:

Spartacus.3192:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

but the thing is Ele is not OP without the cele amulet. nerfing ele will kill the class itself, but removing or nerfing the cele amulet will not kill ele or any class.

LOL

Ele is really the only class that is over the top OP with Cele. Nothing else is even close, how come you dont get that? Cele on war? Nope,. Cele on guard? Nope.

So stop with the nerf Cele and fix the OP Ele.

LOL Cele ele has been in the game for a while

How come there wasn’t this much QQ before???

BECAUSE ITS NOT CELE AMULET.

They have had this kind of bunkering and surviving ability for a while… you would know if you actually PvP’d…

This QQ started recently thanks to the burning update…. lot of classes can bunker like ele, but that comes at the expense of giving up DPS….

With the burning update, ele can now add DPS as they can ramp up their burning damage from all the mightstacking they got…

Its not the cele amulet dude…It just happens to be the optimal amulet to use with this OP spec… they could delete cele amulet and nothing would change… Ele would still be OP with knights or carrion or settlers or w/e… they will continue to be OP until the actual spec is altered, not the freaking amulet.

I dont know if u played in 2014 but everyone was already complaining before WTS 3 and WTS 2 (Cele Meta). We are complaining about eles for over 9 months. Burning was already ticking quite high and was the way of killing the opponents. Now they just buffed the main weapon by buffing burning. It just got worse so now even more ppl are complaining.