Guild Wars 2

First of all, mesmer is my second class and I agree that mesmer needed a buff to its survivability. In saying this, mesmer certainly got overbuffed. One large part of the issue is the number of powerful traits they got baseline compared to other classes. The changes I’m suggesting aren’t to destroy mesmers, but bring them a bit more in-line, it would still be more powerful than it was pre-patch with this suggested changes.

Baseline traits that I’m happy with:
Illusionary Persona – Essential trait for any type of mesmer, being able to daze someone or distort with no clones is necessary for survival as well as for some clutch interrupts. Also acts as a damage buff to the F1 and F2 shatters.
Manipulation skill range increased to 1200 – Essential for added mobility and kiting.

These two traits were in my opinion all that needed to be made baseline if you take into account other buffs mesmer got. Traits which shouldn’t have been made baseline:
Glamour mastery – First of all, nobody ever took this (except for jumping puzzles), so why they thought this was essential is beyond me. Portal recharge was good enough pre-patch for every mesmer to be using it in top-level play and give them a significant rotational upper-hand. Reducing the recharge makes this needlessly stronger. Take this trait off baseline and merge 20% reduced recharge onto the trait that makes glamours last longer.
Additional bounce – The main significance of this is added might and vuln from additional bounces of mirror blade and the auto attack of staff and staff clones. Shatter damage is already buffed, having this baseline buffs it even more. Take this trait off baseline and merge it with the staff trait that reduces recharge on staff skills.

Other things that need a look at:
Confounding suggestions – 5s cd, mantra of distraction also has the same cd between uses. This means that players don’t even need to consider the cd as long as they don’t use other dazes before the second mantra cast. This is added to the fact that being able to stun every 5 seconds is kinda ridiculous.
Possible changes – Increase cd to 10s. Get rid of the increased daze and stun duration, the trait is already powerful enough without it.
Blinding dissapation – It should be possible to evade/block/invuln this. It’s just stupid that if you evade a shatter you still get blinded.

Agree with all stated there.. +1

Why blinding dissapation? It’s just ONE blind. What is everyone’s inherent hate of this trait? It is literally a maximum of 4 blinds in half a second that then has a recharge of 1 per 9/14/20/30 (different numbers past frustration, don’t remember exacts). The illusions and phantasms don’t apply blind. Just the player. Take a look at ineptitude people.

I have mained mesmer for about 2 years (duo mained with thief pre-patch, but now thief is so easy to murder on any profession that idk why to bother playing one). Don’t think I’m pulling this outta the hat. Also, a stun every 5 seconds is not ridiculous when Mesmer is supposed to be the lockdown class. We have CONFUSION AND TORMENT AND CC AND INVULNERABILITY IN BUCKETS. Blind feels thematic. Ineptitude is bogus though. And Harmonious mantras. IMO, wait on hitting anything other than those 2. Those 2 will change the top build in spvp (which I can post for you, I have yet to lose anything lower than a 1v3 with it. and no, i kid you not.) Additional bounce is key. Mesmer’s “aoe backstab” has 30 seconds if you wait on blink which is the most and just 12 if you wait on mind stab to get the “100-0”. I could rant all day on mesmer, but I won’t. We got buffed, it’s nice. Did they overdo it? Only a bit, but that’s because Mesmer’s SPECIALIZATION THEME IS LOCK DOWN. It’s kind of hard to balance that. So, if they hit HM and Ineptitude Mesmer’s will lose the best build. Then the fotm mesmer players who think their one combo wins all, hint it does not, will be next on the chopping block. For now, let em be crazy. Mesmer mains like myself can throw them in the brig. Final note, if you die to the 100-0 shatter combo it means you are full glass. Should it take a lot of your hp? Heck yes. It’s the combo, it is the MAIN combo. They already made the ILeap>Immob>Mirror Image==>Flurry/Mind-Wrack combo a joke. If they hit that one (your additional bounce) then hit CS as well, the capability of landing our main berserker combo (which requires 4 skills, not 3, to 100-0 otherwise its 100-10 on berserker/assassins/rampager) is gone and you just successfully destroyed the Mesmer’s power build. Dead serious. Good ideas though. Not disagreeing with them for the most part, just stuff to keep in mind. Personally exhausted of trying to correct people, but its like the forums have a hive mentality that refuses to listen to people like myself who test this stuff. =( Makes me sad =(

Serious Thought.5394:

Why blinding dissapation? It’s just ONE blind. What is everyone’s inherent hate of this trait?

Did I say the blind was bad? I said that the trait shouldn’t blind people if they dodge/evade/invuln it.

Move blinding dissipation to illusions and move confounding suggestions back to GM trait in domination

This nerf brainless rant have to stop… it always start with ppl claiming “mesmer my main, i played alot mesmer and i agree, mesmer nerf!!, +1”. Im not talking about constructive discussion/feedback. Yet 90% of topics are just qqing nosense.

On-topic:
Ok lets see the facts: OP played mesmer before, we are in pvp section, and he talks about mirror blade combo, so it was a power build.
So we have a pvp power shatter mesmer. Then why have we to read 80% of pure kitten?
Before patch pvp power shatter mesmer already spec into IP, iElasticity,manip range.. that didnt change.. yet before wasnt a prob but now lets get into the train and write some more qq’s to be cool in the new popstar trend.
Im rly start to think that this new trend have to be with mesmer class joined the “meta group” and the others cant stand a pink butterfly class in a close and restricted club.

Nobody ever took Glamour Mastery? Bru. There are gamemodes outside PvP, and they’re actually more popular. Your suggestion makes sense as in “merging it with the other glamour trait”, but I don’t quite see the reason why that change should happen at all. Nerf all glamours across the game because of portal in PvP mode? Why aren’t you suggesting an increased CD for Portal instead? (Something I’d disagree on, but heh).

About Illusionary Elasticity, I don’t understand why you would merge it with the staff trait. Sure, staff has bounce AA, but there are so many weapons that also benefit from that trait. If at all, it should be merged into a “general” trait (like most minors are). This is actually something I kinda agree on, that trait becoming baseline was something no Mesmer expected I guess. It’s a strong trait and it’s one of the main reasons why the initial FOTM-Mesmer burst is so high. Imho, it should be an Illusions or Chaos Minor.

Confounding Suggestion is a trait most people are aware of nowadays, and I’m certain Anet has plans for it. I hate ICDs, since they add up with every trait and at some point, you can’t keep track on which one is available and which isn’t. It’s the cheap and messy way to balance things, but sadly, it’s necessary. There’s also the other way; giving it a percentage chance to proc like in the “old days” – but that’s not fun either. Pretty sure they’ll go the ICD route for this trait.
Blinding Dissipation – agree, but pretty sure this suggestion was mentioned a trillion times already. Anet is aware I’m sure.

No point in posting the same suggestions over and over again.

omfg. Yes, as a mesmer, I totally agree that Confounding Suggestions and Blinding Dissipation need some treeks. However, these have been covered a million times in a million different posts. People are so stupid sometimes.

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

Xstein.2187:

omfg. Yes, as a mesmer, I totally agree that Confounding Suggestions and Blinding Dissipation need some treeks. However, these have been covered a million times in a million different posts. People are so stupid sometimes.

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

No, they don’t need “some treeks”.

+1 agreed with everything stated by OP. Exactly what needs to be done.

Honestly I think PU needs to be on that list too. It’s just too kitten strong as a whole. I’ve been playing mesmer for the last 6 days as a non-FoTM, non-mantra mesmer, and I came across two players while roaming in WvW while I was playing that build. I, predictably, got my kitten well and truly wrecked.
So, wondering /just/ how powerful PU + mantra heal (for condi removal) was, I slotted them and went back after those two players. I had no guard buffs, no food, and only exotic armour. My sword only has a major sigil of energy.
I couldn’t be killed by them, and I downed the ele multiple times. A condi warrior and a d/d ele.
A trait that gives that much power shouldn’t be in the game, imho.

Before I get jumped on by the “It’s in wvw it doesn’t count” crowd, I wasn’t using any of the things that make WvW inherently imbalanced, but my opponents were. On top of that, I kind of suck at mesmer.

PU needs to be the first in the list with confounding suggestions really close.

I’m only play Mesmer these days, it’s kinda ridicolous how it’s easy to play mesmer now.

You feel like a god.

Dear lord this is too repetitive. Not going to type a lot again. You can read my posts in the link if you want to learn why I don’t think PU is a problem.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Why-do-mesmers-have-so-much-stealth/first#post5322064

tetrodoxin.2134:

Nobody ever took Glamour Mastery? Bru. There are gamemodes outside PvP, and they’re actually more popular. Your suggestion makes sense as in “merging it with the other glamour trait”, but I don’t quite see the reason why that change should happen at all. Nerf all glamours across the game because of portal in PvP mode? Why aren’t you suggesting an increased CD for Portal instead? (Something I’d disagree on, but heh).

I’m confused, you’re ranting at me for a suggestion that you agree with and suggesting something that you disagree with?

And this doesn’t nerf glamours at all. It reverts them back to where they were before with an option to take the reduced recharge with a trait (in a line that is perfectly viable).

“A thief can stealth that much, too!”
That is essentially all your post boils down to. A mesmer is not a thief. A mesmer having /this/ much stealth is much more powerful than a thief having this much stealth.

Javi.4359:

“A thief can stealth that much, too!”
That is essentially all your post boils down to. A mesmer is not a thief. A mesmer having /this/ much stealth is much more powerful than a thief having this much stealth.

I don’t really have an opinion on whether or not PU needs to be toned down, but one thing people have to realise is most forms of mesmer stealth are easy to get. Torch 4 and Decoy are instant (or instant enough), compare these to heartseeker through a smoke field. Mass Invis is your SR, but you don’t have to stand in one spot for 5 seconds,

Again I have no opinion in this matter, just food for thought.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Javi.4359:

“A thief can stealth that much, too!”
That is essentially all your post boils down to. A mesmer is not a thief. A mesmer having /this/ much stealth is much more powerful than a thief having this much stealth.

I don’t really have an opinion on whether or not PU needs to be toned down, but one thing people have to realise is most forms of mesmer stealth are easy to get. Torch 4 and Decoy are instant (or instant enough), compare these to heartseeker through a smoke field. Mass Invis is your SR, but you don’t have to stand in one spot for 5 seconds,

Again I have no opinion in this matter, just food for thought.

Sorry mate, that was aimed at Xstein’s post

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I’m confused, you’re ranting at me for a suggestion that you agree with and suggesting something that you disagree with?

And this doesn’t nerf glamours at all. It reverts them back to where they were before with an option to take the reduced recharge with a trait (in a line that is perfectly viable).

Not quite, sorry – not a native Engrish speaker her :P
What I meant with my post is that if a change to glamour mastery happens, your suggested merge would be the logical way to do it. However, I disagree that a change like that needs to happen at all. It seemed that you see the major problem concerning GM in the Portal CD, so I was wondering why you didn’t just suggest a direct change to that.

The cd reductions are a nice QoL change across all game modes, and probably noone would claim Feedback/Nullfield being on a 32s CD baseline is overpowered. One of the main goals of the patch was to reduce the amount/necessity/impact of traits that are “unlocking” skills to their full potential. Having traitable duration for glamours is enough, let’s not make one step forward and two steps back. Your suggestion would reduce the amount of traits affecting glamours, sure… but the resulting trait would be a monster.

Temporal enchanter was buffed already and currently, it feels like a nice option for glamour players. Adding GM would make it a necessity again, imho. That trait would reduce CDs, increase durations AND grant superspeed as well as resistance for allies.
Reintroducing GM as a trait would also result it affecting Time Warp as well, btw. You really want that to happen? :P

Not sure why you’d think I’m ranting at you – that wasn’t my plan at all.
Sorry if you got my post the wrong way. I was just stating my mind.

another awesome nerf Mesmers thread that include “my main or one of the most frequently played class was a Mesmer”. Cut the BS, and just state you are having a hard time on your current main class and want to make it easier to kill Mesmers, no need to try to hide the true intention.

rchu.8945:

another awesome nerf Mesmers thread that include “my main or one of the most frequently played class was a Mesmer”. Cut the BS, and just state you are having a hard time on your current main class and want to make it easier to kill Mesmers, no need to try to hide the true intention.

Okay, since you want proof that I actively play mesmer as one of my main classes:

Placed 1st in the most recent Pugquest and played mesmer in every match. Here’s the bracket:
http://battlefy.com/aspectgg/pugquest-10/55a57029c02cbd8c00006c03/stage/55b3dcf53c1e854300a1914d/bracket/

And here’s a screenshot of the final match of the finals that shows me on mesmer:
http://i.imgur.com/O1ljkjZ.jpg

And here’s the earliest video I could find that involves me playing mesmer, upload date was Feb 22nd 2015 (I played mesmer for about half a year before that, but I don’t have any earlier recordings):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VE3SHuN64

Xstein.2187:

omfg. Yes, as a mesmer, I totally agree that Confounding Suggestions and Blinding Dissipation need some treeks. However, these have been covered a million times in a million different posts. People are so stupid sometimes.

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

Einstein never actually said that. The quote (which isn’t even accurate) has been variously misattributed to him, Ben Franklin, and Mark Twain.

I agree with the rest of what you wrote, though =)