Guild Wars 2

I would like an amulet with the following stats:

- 1050 Power
- 1050 Healing Power
- 560 Toughness
- 560 Concentration

The reason why I would like this is I basically play the meta Tempest build, but I feel like Mender’s and Cleric’s Amulets are both sub-optimal. Cleric has too much toughness and HP at a cost to other stats, while Mender’s doesn’t have toughness at all. Toughness is essential to tempest, so I can’t live without it.

Now this amulet, which I’m branding as Keeper’s Amulet, would tone down toughness and HP but add a bit of power and a lot of concentration to make up for the loss.

What do you guys think? Would this be balanced or would it promote power creep too much?

seems good.

no precision, no ferocity.
no vitality.

why would it power creep ?

I was worried about the concentration really. Ele is in a good place when it comes to boons, and adding Con to a stat set that alrdy has the most beneficial stats for ele might be too much. That’s why I asked for opinions.

Edit: 560 Concentration brings about ~37% to boon duration.

Ele in a good place…you have to be kidding me…nerfed so much and barely found an amulet that allows you to play healingbot that’s it, ofc ele is fine for the whole community that doesn’t play ele and love to see other classes in the dirt

@Supreme Did you even read the whole comment? Quoting myself here: “Ele is in a good place when it comes to boons” That does not include any other ele aspects.

Bump. I would like some more feedback on this.

When you play another profession, can you see a value for this kind of amulet? Would you as an ele use it?

This amulet is a boost to the current auramancer. Trades more support against a bit less focus fire resistance.

Anet has removed most tanky amulet. This amulet has 3 deffensive stats, so I dont think its going to be added anytime soon.

“Cleric has too much toughness and HP at a cost to other stats”, “tone down toughness and HP”
What more HP? (assuming you mean Vitality)
Are we playing the same game ?

Yannir.4132:

@Supreme Did you even read the whole comment? Quoting myself here: “Ele is in a good place when it comes to boons” That does not include any other ele aspects.

Cementing the healbot role even more is far from being a good suggestion

Supreme.3164:

Yannir.4132:

@Supreme Did you even read the whole comment? Quoting myself here: “Ele is in a good place when it comes to boons” That does not include any other ele aspects.

Cementing the healbot role even more is far from being a good suggestion

I agree on that. Instead of building up on that op, cancerous support bunker, that i can not believe anyone ever truly enjoyed playing, we should rather try to give back to the ele some fun builds based on movement, damage and combos.

The amulet itself seems fine. At least not op. But I do believe most people would go with toughness. It usually scales better than healing power and is important to prevent a stunlocking-burst.

In any case, it would be nice and expected to have the Concentration stat among the PvP amulets, since there already are Expertise stat amulets that give a distinct and significant flavour. More diversity is needed.

In a nice system that was well organised you would at least have a balanced nucleus of symmetrical concepts (i.e. Expertise stat direct opposite of Concentration stat, condition effects that exactly mirror boon effects), which are easy to manage and you build on top of. Then you could kitteh all over that with “shaking up the meta” – giving top dog status from some classes to others every few months, but at least you would have a solid initial foundation of concepts.

What this person said.

@Krysard Anet has removed most tanky amulet. This amulet has 3 deffensive stats, so I dont think its going to be added anytime soon.

In light of this, some possible suggestions for new amulets off the top of my head:

1. change Toughness on Paladin Amulet stats for Concentration, which is exactly the same as scrapping Ferocity from Marauder Amulet stats;
2. change Vitality on Mercenary Amulet stats for Concentration;
3. change Healing Power on Sage Amulet stats for Concentration;

This does not mean alter the latest 4 amulets we got, but add more. I replaced some +560 stats instead of others because you have to think about what classes are the main beneficiaries of the current form of the amulet, then make the stat change be a viable sacrifice for them.

Also, you can always replace the Precison on that redundant Magi Amulet with Concentration and adjust the overall values so it doesn`t have to be more than 37% Boon duration.

Wouldn’t this amulet be OP on druids? Currently most are using mended which doesn’t have toughness. I wonder how well they would sync with this.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Wouldn’t this amulet be OP on druids? Currently most are using mended which doesn’t have toughness. I wonder what would happen if this ever through.

They would miss the precision. Rangers cant be full support/heal, the pet’s+weapons passive pressure is a big part of their strenght.
Boon duration, although helpful, is also not as beneficial as it is for ele’s.

Asrat.2645:

Supreme.3164:

Yannir.4132:

@Supreme Did you even read the whole comment? Quoting myself here: “Ele is in a good place when it comes to boons” That does not include any other ele aspects.

Cementing the healbot role even more is far from being a good suggestion

I agree on that. Instead of building up on that op, cancerous support bunker, that i can not believe anyone ever truly enjoyed playing, we should rather try to give back to the ele some fun builds based on movement, damage and combos.

The amulet itself seems fine. At least not op. But I do believe most people would go with toughness. It usually scales better than healing power and is important to prevent a stunlocking-burst.

An important comment on the Toughness thing. In this meta, it kinda is redundant when it comes to focus from multiple enemies because of HOT power creep, removal of defensive amulets and the shift towards condi bursts as main offence. And on top of that, Revenant power damage numbers plus Leeching mechanics, or getting caught in DH trap nest combos, are enough alone to eat through high toughness, no problem.

So I would argue that Healing Power is more desirable for the classes that can benefit from it, especially when you have other mitigation mechanics better than Toughness (e.g. Endure Pain, Infuse Light, auras, buffed Protection, Stone Heart, multiple water field blasts, Regeneration, evade skills, Ancestral Form, traited Meditations, heal on shatter). When you are focused, its best to disengage, abuse terrain, create distance/avoid getting hit and stall for cooldowns. Toughness will only save you against some single high number skill that you don`t notice incoming or from bad positioning in a mob vs mob fight. That`s why things like Mender Amulet on Druid can shine.

All in all, the above paragraph shadows a very important problem of the game, which is the amount of healing options and mitigation mechanics that have been introduced. And these are currently justified by the significant increase of offensive numbers and offence potency. Vicious circle.

Well they removed setlers. how about this.

- 1050 Condition damage
- 1050 Healing Power
- 560 Toughness
- 560 Expertise

I guess some rangers might dig out condi trapper variants. Don´t know if other classes would take it to become more powerful or it will add to build diversity. I would like it.
I would also like a wanderers variant swaping toughness with precision. Not so shure if this will help reapers to much ….

Wolfric.9380:

Well they removed setlers. how about this.

- 1050 Condition damage
- 1050 Healing Power
- 560 Toughness
- 560 Expertise

I guess some rangers might dig out condi trapper variants. Don´t know if other classes would take it to become more powerful or it will add to build diversity. I would like it.
I would also like a wanderers variant swaping toughness with precision. Not so shure if this will help reapers to much ….

Eles could use it as a variant of support more geared toward condition offense, add soldier runes and scepter , you’re good to go

Asrat.2645:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Wouldn’t this amulet be OP on druids? Currently most are using mended which doesn’t have toughness. I wonder what would happen if this ever through.

They would miss the precision. Rangers cant be full support/heal, the pet’s+weapons passive pressure is a big part of their strenght.
Boon duration, although helpful, is also not as beneficial as it is for ele’s.

Ok…

Wolfric.9380:

Well they removed setlers. how about this.

- 1050 Condition damage
- 1050 Healing Power
- 560 Toughness
- 560 Expertise

I guess some rangers might dig out condi trapper variants. Don´t know if other classes would take it to become more powerful or it will add to build diversity. I would like it.
I would also like a wanderers variant swaping toughness with precision. Not so shure if this will help reapers to much ….

Imagine current meta condi mesmers, Inspiration variant, with this amulet… No, thank you !

This suggestion looks like an OP Mender Amulet for condi, with the excuse of having toughness because condi is “slow” to apply or smth.

Also, there are a lot of other classes that can deal too well with the scenario of having no added vitality, a little bit of toughness and high benefits from healing power. Condi lock berserks, condi engi/scrapper with Inventions line, druid in multiple variants, revenants because they can actually benefit from healing power if Infuse Light is taken out of the equation (staff auto, staff nr 4, shield nr 4, shield nr 5, Shiro and Malyx heal skills, Leeching, Regeneration).

Then, on top of that you have the low Vitality classes, where there is still potential to make it work in ridiculous ways: guardians/DH with high burn stacks + block spam + traited Meditations, thieves with evade spam and Shadow Arts, tempests with all their mitigation mechanics – some of which are Healing power based.

Supreme.3164:

Wolfric.9380:

Well they removed setlers. how about this.

- 1050 Condition damage
- 1050 Healing Power
- 560 Toughness
- 560 Expertise

I guess some rangers might dig out condi trapper variants. Don´t know if other classes would take it to become more powerful or it will add to build diversity. I would like it.
I would also like a wanderers variant swaping toughness with precision. Not so shure if this will help reapers to much ….

Eles could use it as a variant of support more geared toward condition offense, add soldier runes and scepter , you’re good to go

I know this is my build.

I see inspiration mesmer would profit. Not shure it this might be to much. He looses vit and power and don´t think the healing will compensate this due to low scaling.

Om Im.7863:

“Cleric has too much toughness and HP at a cost to other stats”, “tone down toughness and HP”
What more HP? (assuming you mean Vitality)
Are we playing the same game ?

By HP, I meant Healing Power, not Hitpoints. Sorry if that wasn’t apparent.

Supreme.3164:

Cementing the healbot role even more is far from being a good suggestion

But that’s exactly not what this amulet would do. Currently Cleric amulet has 900 toughness and 1200 healing power. If these go down to 560 and 1050 respectively, it would make the ele a lot more susceptible to damage while upping their ability for group support via the 560 concentration. Simultaneously, it gives a bit more power too than cleric does. What it does is shift the focus from bunkering to supporting.

Saying the amulet has 3 defensive stats isn’t exactly true either. Concentration isn’t strictly defensive, it will also improve offensive boons like fury and might. This could give eles more offensive play via fire(might-stacking) or air specs(fury up-time).

….. adding concentration will add about 37% to all regenerations that each aura will trigger. That will overcompensate the 150 HP lost …. And then its added to all those boons especially protection. Its a huge buff. The sweet spot (for me) in armor is at about 2600 so i on´t care much loosing some from clerics. I even play without toughness amulets depending on team composition.

Wolfric.9380:

….. adding concentration will add about 37% to all regenerations that each aura will trigger. That will overcompensate the 150 HP lost …. And then its added to all those boons especially protection. Its a huge buff. The sweet spot (for me) in armor is at about 2600 so i on´t care much loosing some from clerics. I even play without toughness amulets depending on team composition.

I actually suspect Invigorating Torrents and Elemental Shielding will be hit by the nerfhammer with the next balance patch, but that’s a separate conversation. Maybe the conversation should be held back altogether until that happens…

Nerfing elemental shielding will be a very bad move. This will again be some clueless balacing move that hits non meta builds even more. I would buff tempestious aria with a -20 shout CD so it becomes an option competing with Invigorating Torrents. Also i had been very unhappy with torrets. It was some last minute buff and exactly this skill giving the water synergy and regen eles had all the time into tempest caused the support bunker … This one skill is the main culprit … Might nerfing it kick ele out of meta? Maybe. Will depend how its done. Ele needs offense/hybrid support in tempest not sustain.