Guild Wars 2

I recently just came back to GW2, and OH MY GOD.

The pvp is HORRIBLE.

I think it would be best if Arenanet decides to do some HEAVY CHANGES!

-Competitive should only have 1 per class!!
—- Longer queue times? well thats the whole point, if everybody in GW2 plays Trap guardian and Healing magical rangers then kewl, I am OUT.

Queue times SHOULD NEVER MATTER! why should the competitive be kitten? just because of queue times? and 1 thing too.. IT DISCOURAGES PVP FARMERS!! cuz they will dislike that idea of heavy queue times.

-Competitive should only allow single class!
—-If they queue with that character, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SWAP! to keep 1 class ! there should NOT be 2 guards or 2 anything.. it should only be 1 class per game!! that way it’ll make things more fun and more better..

You dont play OVERWATCH competitive and have 5 reinharts or 5 dvas right? NOBODY WANTS THAT! same goes with these horrible meta builds that’s plaguing PVP..

Hey I just came back in Guildwars2 so assume that I am a noob. yes I am a noob. no argue about it.

But this is just my opinion.. because I want to play some fun competitve, not some circus competitive.

Out.

Sinister.5792:

I recently just came back to GW2, and OH MY GOD.

The pvp is HORRIBLE.

I think it would be best if Arenanet decides to do some HEAVY CHANGES!

-Competitive should only have 1 per class!!
—- Longer queue times? well thats the whole point, if everybody in GW2 plays Trap guardian and Healing magical rangers then kewl, I am OUT.

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Queue times SHOULD NEVER MATTER! why should the competitive be kitten? just because of queue times? and 1 thing too.. IT DISCOURAGES PVP FARMERS!! cuz they will dislike that idea of heavy queue times.

-Competitive should only allow single class!
—-If they queue with that character, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SWAP! to keep 1 class ! there should NOT be 2 guards or 2 anything.. it should only be 1 class per game!! that way it’ll make things more fun and more better..

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You dont play OVERWATCH competitive and have 5 reinharts or 5 dvas right? NOBODY WANTS THAT! same goes with these horrible meta builds that’s plaguing PVP..

Hey I just came back in Guildwars2 so assume that I am a noob. yes I am a noob. no argue about it.

But this is just my opinion.. because I want to play some fun competitve, not some circus competitive.

Out.

recently it was a pool for class locking… and begin to work in no stack and class mmr …but they voted no.
sad story

megilandil.7506:

Sinister.5792:

I recently just came back to GW2, and OH MY GOD.

The pvp is HORRIBLE.

I think it would be best if Arenanet decides to do some HEAVY CHANGES!

-Competitive should only have 1 per class!!
—- Longer queue times? well thats the whole point, if everybody in GW2 plays Trap guardian and Healing magical rangers then kewl, I am OUT.

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Queue times SHOULD NEVER MATTER! why should the competitive be kitten? just because of queue times? and 1 thing too.. IT DISCOURAGES PVP FARMERS!! cuz they will dislike that idea of heavy queue times.

-Competitive should only allow single class!
—-If they queue with that character, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SWAP! to keep 1 class ! there should NOT be 2 guards or 2 anything.. it should only be 1 class per game!! that way it’ll make things more fun and more better..

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You dont play OVERWATCH competitive and have 5 reinharts or 5 dvas right? NOBODY WANTS THAT! same goes with these horrible meta builds that’s plaguing PVP..

Hey I just came back in Guildwars2 so assume that I am a noob. yes I am a noob. no argue about it.

But this is just my opinion.. because I want to play some fun competitve, not some circus competitive.

Out.

recently it was a pool for class locking… and begin to work in no stack and class mmr …but they voted no.
sad story

dont think class stacking and class locking is the same but w/e

Guild wars 2 should have a Class Lock..
So if you queue with thief.. you should be the only 1 thief in the match…

My gets, the queue time is heavily affected BUT it shouldnt really that matter too much.. will it destroy PVP? NO!

Classlocking should be absolute in COMPETITIVE games to avoid mess ups and imbalances…

like look at Overwatch as an example at launch.. people exploiting the FEATURE of having 6 divas.. and look what happened.. so they decided to lock it to only 1 hero… and look where overwatch is right now..

I am not trying to compare GW2 to Overwatch as its totally different game.. but in competitive side of things.. I see it better with class locking, if players protest on it, and arenanet tries to bend for their players then dam.. keep that pvp as it is.. i aint enjoying it.. im out. im sick of these ridiculous class stacking and their ridiculous builds..

I was doing my placements and the amount of guards / rangers i’ve played with is A LOT.. they were unkillable! 2 trap guards, 2 rangers, 1 ele it was ridiculous..

I think Arenanet really need to start stepping up their game and stop listening to people too much and stop catering people who suggests to make competitive scene less competitive..

this feel is same as wildstar… like literally what wildstar is doing right now just to get players.. “psst, come log in and ill give you level 50” … its ridiculous…

from hardcore to marshmallow..

You can’t have class stacking restrictions unless you prevent class swapping. We had the poll, everyone voted to keep class swapping. Therefore, Anet cannot prevent class stacking.

In addition to what i just said..

its been couple of years.. and there’s one thing I still don’t see in PVP..
or anywhere in party groups..

VOICE COMMS!

When will arenanet implement voice comms!
It should be a MUST!!

pings just dont help it! never will!

megilandil.7506:

Sinister.5792:

I recently just came back to GW2, and OH MY GOD.

The pvp is HORRIBLE.

I think it would be best if Arenanet decides to do some HEAVY CHANGES!

-Competitive should only have 1 per class!!
—- Longer queue times? well thats the whole point, if everybody in GW2 plays Trap guardian and Healing magical rangers then kewl, I am OUT.

---

Queue times SHOULD NEVER MATTER! why should the competitive be kitten? just because of queue times? and 1 thing too.. IT DISCOURAGES PVP FARMERS!! cuz they will dislike that idea of heavy queue times.

-Competitive should only allow single class!
—-If they queue with that character, they SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SWAP! to keep 1 class ! there should NOT be 2 guards or 2 anything.. it should only be 1 class per game!! that way it’ll make things more fun and more better..

---

You dont play OVERWATCH competitive and have 5 reinharts or 5 dvas right? NOBODY WANTS THAT! same goes with these horrible meta builds that’s plaguing PVP..

Hey I just came back in Guildwars2 so assume that I am a noob. yes I am a noob. no argue about it.

But this is just my opinion.. because I want to play some fun competitve, not some circus competitive.

Out.

recently it was a pool for class locking… and begin to work in no stack and class mmr …but they voted no.
sad story

Correction: class stacking is the reason people voted no for class locking. Anet made it clear that class stacking was not going to be removed upon locking professions, but that it was something that could be loosely implemented sometime after the lock. Some people just assumed that how they dreamed it would be is how it would actually be and spread misinformation despite what Anet employees were actually saying and they continue this nonsense out of rage because most people were smart enough to know that locking professions without removing class stacking is a dumb idea.

Sinister.5792:

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You dont play OVERWATCH competitive and have 5 reinharts or 5 dvas right? NOBODY WANTS THAT! same goes with these horrible meta builds that’s plaguing PVP..

Funny how you mention overwatch while completely failing to see the big picture, or purposefully forgeting to mention the downside.
If class locking+no stacking was done in overwatch, it would lead to games with hanzo+soldier+mcree+tracer+widow. Pretty fun team comp right, now you just have to deal with it cause you can’t swap. ggwp. Or maybe you’d like a team comp with 5 support.

This is the exact same in gw2. Yes, every class is viable but you can’t put 5 random unique classes and hope to have a semi decent teamcomp.

I don’t care if anet enforce a no-stacking rule in ranked since it’s only an issue in low ranks but if players are not allowed to swap classes, might aswell just play rock-paper-scisor it would have less rng to it.

i agree with the anti class stacking you suggest idont agree ith the class locking tho you shoud be free to change class up until the clock before the match rans out as long as what you are changing to does not exist in the team already

Shaogin.2679:

You can’t have class stacking restrictions unless you prevent class swapping. We had the poll, everyone voted to keep class swapping. Therefore, Anet cannot prevent class stacking.

if anet wants to do a poll for no class stacking and no class swapping i’d be keen to vote yes.

You are talking to a wall OP.

What really bothers me is that balancing team balances classes around NON-team stacking but class stacking is extremely prominent in pvp at the same time.

choovanski.5462:

Shaogin.2679:

You can’t have class stacking restrictions unless you prevent class swapping. We had the poll, everyone voted to keep class swapping. Therefore, Anet cannot prevent class stacking.

if anet wants to do a poll for no class stacking and no class swapping i’d be keen to vote yes.

That was in response to someone saying they don’t get the connection between the two. Merely remarking that you can’t properly implement a class stacking restriction without a class swapping restriction.

Also, pretty sure people would still vote no even if Anet said there would be no class stacking at all. In the poll thread, it seemed the main reason people voted no was because they didn’t have faith that Anet could put players in a decent team comp even without class stacking.

if people think team comps are so decent right now, then I am out of words..
saying that class stacking only works in low ranks.. my kitten

anyways.. i’ve made my suggestion… as you all mentioned it was denied in poll and i recently just came back

soo whatever..

im going back in csgo or overwatch.

Welcome to Guardian War 2

Sinister.5792:

if people think team comps are so decent right now, then I am out of words..
saying that class stacking only works in low ranks.. my kitten

anyways.. i’ve made my suggestion… as you all mentioned it was denied in poll and i recently just came back

soo whatever..

im going back in csgo or overwatch.

I mean…..sounds like you just want a fps anyways…

Class stacking is not a problem. Balance is the problem.

If you didn’t have a handful of easy to play builds which perform exceptionally well at most skill levels (DH being the poster child), you wouldn’t see professions being stacked to the degree that they currently are.

OP’s comparison to OW is full of crap. In OW, you are loaded into the game and select your heroes from there. Each hero has a role and a relatively simple kit. In GW2, you load into the game with your character and build and there are no set roles. Characters have large kits of weapons, abilities, traits, and stats.

Exedore.6320:

Class stacking is not a problem. Balance is the problem.

If you didn’t have a handful of easy to play builds which perform exceptionally well at most skill levels (DH being the poster child), you wouldn’t see professions being stacked to the degree that they currently are.

OP’s comparison to OW is full of crap. In OW, you are loaded into the game and select your heroes from there. Each hero has a role and a relatively simple kit. In GW2, you load into the game with your character and build and there are no set roles. Characters have large kits of weapons, abilities, traits, and stats.

^This. Balance has ALWAYS been the problem.

Sadly, the trend has been to simplify each class. That’s why we have more-or-less one build per class in pvp.

I think that hurts the game and drives it toward an OW style. The issue with that is that GW2 wasn’t designed to be a console game. Trying to make it one will damage it in the process.

Balance is the root problem. The balance issue leads to class stacking. Forcing a single class per team would at least partly mitigate the problem. Players would be forced to run less popular classes in order to get matches.

@Ithilwen

Your argument makes no sense and is factually inaccurate.

First, OW is a PC game as well. The character design is the core of the game and had nothing to do it also being on consoles. OW is essentially an iteration of Team Fortress, which has been around for two decades on PCs.

Second, HoT is what dumbed down classes and reduced variety, not balance. HoT elite spec power creep is the opposite of healthy balance. Most HoT elite specs are designed with a specific playstyle in mind, so it’s not surprising that when those elite specs are far better than any core spec, those are the only playstyles which remain.

Third, if you eliminate or reduce class stacking without proper balancing, whiners will just find a new mantra such as, “Our team’s DH sucks, that’s why we lost,” which leads to more toxic teams, “Terrible people like you are why I can’t play the class I want.”

Restricting profession on teams is a bad solution to solving balance.

Exedore.6320:

@Ithilwen

Your argument makes no sense and is factually inaccurate.

First, OW is a PC game as well. The character design is the core of the game and had nothing to do it also being on consoles. OW is essentially an iteration of Team Fortress, which has been around for two decades on PCs.

Second, HoT is what dumbed down classes and reduced variety, not balance. HoT elite spec power creep is the opposite of healthy balance. Most HoT elite specs are designed with a specific playstyle in mind, so it’s not surprising that when those elite specs are far better than any core spec, those are the only playstyles which remain.

Third, if you eliminate or reduce class stacking without proper balancing, whiners will just find a new mantra such as, “Our team’s DH sucks, that’s why we lost,” which leads to more toxic teams, “Terrible people like you are why I can’t play the class I want.”

Restricting profession on teams is a bad solution to solving balance.

I didn’t say that OW was a console game. I intended to imply that it is a more arcade game oriented setup. GW2 wasn’t designed or sold as an arcade game.

Yes Hot narrowed the choices, because it was not balanced with the rest of the game. We are more-or – less saying the same thing from different angles.

Removing the class stacking would mitigate the lack of balance to some extent. It would limit the number of people who could play the OP specs. Those who chose to play a stacking spec would have to wait for matches. This would force people to play other setups.