Guild Wars 2

These leaderboards aren’t accurate.. I suggest we change them to just show hours played.. So Jane with 20k hours is on top and Louie with 1 min is on bottom . Ty

Aaron, if you are skilled at playing, play solo and prove it: Earn more points than wins as a solo player not dependent on having skilled teammates.

Playing with your team against uncoordinated pugs is not a test of skill. Think about it.

Aren’t you the one that wanted these newbies to lose a point for a loss even if they are put up against a much better, veteran team who are using voice communications? Seriously??

Funny how premades are crying over the fact the new leaderboard are all about grinding. Won’t deny it’s partially true, but the fact still remains that if you’re a bad player, you still won’t be able to get massive points by purely grinding.

A few days ago i checked my guild’s LB and found someone with 9 wins and 16 losses (i know this guy only pvps with teams), his points was only 3. Because he often lost points by losing. It’s true that in the top you’ll find many soloists who grind craploads of games. It also means they don’t do too badly against premades, or else they wouldn’t be able to stay near the same amount of points as they have victories, because losing a close matchup with still make you lose points.

It’s true the setup right now might be a bit mild, but making peeps lose 1 point every time they lose automatically is bs, because then the leaderboards are just as bad as before, showing only the top teams at the top, doesn’t make em the best players because synergy makes a team the best, not the player specifically.

Let soloists have their field to be able to be rewarded. Solo queue wasn’t the solution either, because it was mostly luck anyway. A good soloist can be a boost for a 3 man pugging up the ranked queue against full premades.

Grump.7069:

Funny how premades are crying over the fact the new leaderboard are all about grinding. Won’t deny it’s partially true, but the fact still remains that if you’re a bad player, you still won’t be able to get massive points by purely grinding.

The point being that it is more about playtime and being ‘good’ at your skill level instead of being the BEST player. A leaderboard is supposed to show the best players and as this is a TEAM game it only makes sense that you need a TEAM to be rank 1.

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

lol, go do it. I’ll be surprise if you are that good.

Actually do it and show people you are that good.

No one solo q and get 50win no loss. Not to mention you’ll be purposely put in bad team and get handicape if you are higher ratting.

Those people at high ladder probably have many loss because they are always put in bad team as handicape.

If it’s not the match making system is bad, since higher ratting players are suppose to put in lesser team.

laokoko.7403:

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

lol, go do it. I’ll be surprise if you are that good.

Actually do it and show people you are that good.

No one solo q and get 50win no loss. Not to mention you’ll be purposely put in bad team and get handicape if you are higher ratting.

Those people at high ladder probably have many loss because they are always put in bad team as handicape.

You are not getting the point… The point is time played = high leaderboard rank……

a. These leaderboarss should be for teams not solo ( it’s rated team arena…)
B. It shouldn’t be time based (min 100 games, after that it should stop)
C.the last leaderboards did show the best players… Decay needed tweaking .. An overhaul was overkill

Yes Aaron, announce you are going to do it,and then start queuing only SOLO.

Start from your current “pts per win” which is only about 1.00, correct?

See if you can make it 2 pts per every win for 50 games.

I’ll follow your progress.

Aaron.2413:

You are not getting the point… The point is time played = high leaderboard rank……

a. These leaderboarss should be for teams not solo ( it’s rated team arena…)
B. It shouldn’t be time based (min 100 games, after that it should stop)
C.the last leaderboards did show the best players… Decay needed tweaking .. An overhaul was overkill

The idea of “Pts per Win” is not grind based. It is skill based and rotation skill based.

Silentshoes.1805:

Yes Aaron, announce you are going to do it,and then start queuing only SOLO.

Start from your current “pts per win” which is only about 1.00, correct?

See if you can make it 2 pts per every win for 50 games.

I’ll follow your progress.

…. You clearly don’t get my point. Forget who I am. Make it about the system. Right now you can get to the top by simply playing a kitten ton… Correct?

Leaderboarss should not be a grind. They should show the best players…
The way it works right now is 90% games played

Aaron,

A leaderboard can be about whatever they want it to be.

The top player can be the best at improving any random team’s score.

I agree that total points can reward grind if you are competent. But “Points Per Win” is not grind based and rewards team contribution skill.

Aaron.2413:

laokoko.7403:

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

lol, go do it. I’ll be surprise if you are that good.

Actually do it and show people you are that good.

No one solo q and get 50win no loss. Not to mention you’ll be purposely put in bad team and get handicape if you are higher ratting.

Those people at high ladder probably have many loss because they are always put in bad team as handicape.

You are not getting the point… The point is time played = high leaderboard rank……

a. These leaderboarss should be for teams not solo ( it’s rated team arena…)
B. It shouldn’t be time based (min 100 games, after that it should stop)
C.the last leaderboards did show the best players… Decay needed tweaking .. An overhaul was overkill

I think the system is bad too. I dont’ know why they put soloq and teamq on the same ladder.

And I probably agree with you, since esports… probably mean you are suppose to be on a team. So people more serious and form a team should be on top of ladder.

I think you probabaly have a point on time played = higher ranking. But I think one of the problem is this testing period is so short, and you probably can’t determine much by just a few games.

If it is a full season over a few month, “probably” more can be shown.

Maybe the people who are top now, can’t move up any more and they are cap at that place, and the people who play less who are actually good can catch up as time progress.

I can’t honestly say the testing failed just by a few days when it’s out.

Silentshoes.1805:

Aaron,

A leaderboard can be about whatever they want it to be.

The top player can be the best at improving any random team’s score.

I agree that total points can reward grind if you are competent. But “Points Per Win” is not grind based and rewards team contribution skill.

The system is total points. I think ppw would be great for solo q… The biggest problem is a combined system

“The system is total points.”

I get that, and I think it does currently reward “competent playing, lots of hours”.

It should be changed to rank “Average points Per Win”. That will cover the solo players as well as those with a team advantage over the soloers.

And I challenge you to play 50 games and earn 2 pts per win, as a solo player. So it measures your skill in randomly assigned teams.

Silentshoes.1805:

“The system is total points.”

I get that, and I think it does currently reward “competent playing, lots of hours”.

It should be changed to rank “Average points Per Win”. That will cover the solo players as well as those with a team advantage over the soloers.

And I challenged you to try 50 games and earn 2 pts per win, as a solo player. So it measures your skill in randomly assigned teams.

The problem with that is it rewards solo q more than team q. In a combined system I think they need to be as close to equal.. Best solo and team players on top.. Ppw would work for solo q but not combined… Ppg does not work for either… Perhaps having ppw as a category and MMR (old system with reworked decay) as a category…
You could sort ppw for best solo players and MMR for best teams

Aaron,

Yes, the situation is complicated by having solo players be thrown into random pugs against teams who generally have a communication and teamwork advantage.

Lol this one is funny cause all everyone is doing is trolling the person posting the topic.

Also the leaderboard is suppose to be about the best players. Hence LEADERBOARD, when people read it it suppose to be the best players. In the top 50 there are about 6 players i sit here saying to myself really?

kdaddy.5431:

Lol this one is funny cause all everyone is doing is trolling the person posting the topic.

Also the leaderboard is suppose to be about the best players. Hence LEADERBOARD, when people read it it suppose to be the best players. In the top 50 there are about 6 players i sit here saying to myself really?

kdaddy,

Best at what? Teamwork? Dueling?

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

Of course you can mate.

Zzz

Obsidia.5127:

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

Of course you can mate.

Zzz

You clearly don’t understand the point I am making. God forum peeps are sooo bright.
And on the note of going 50-0, I probably could
Love backpack
The best competitive player in the game!

Ps: what is it like being a mascot for a subpar European team?

Aaron.2413:

Obsidia.5127:

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

Of course you can mate.

Zzz

You clearly don’t understand the point I am making. God forum peeps are sooo bright.
And on the note of going 50-0, I probably could
Love backpack
The best competitive player in the game!

Ps: what is it like being a mascot for a subpar European team?

Of course mate.

Silentshoes.1805:

kdaddy.5431:

Lol this one is funny cause all everyone is doing is trolling the person posting the topic.

Also the leaderboard is suppose to be about the best players. Hence LEADERBOARD, when people read it it suppose to be the best players. In the top 50 there are about 6 players i sit here saying to myself really?

kdaddy,

Best at what? Teamwork? Dueling?

At the game. The previous leaderboards showed the best players (excluding the decay / 1-game-a-month problem) at soloQ and the best players at teamQ.
This change of the leaderboad should not have changed this.
TBH the best thing that could happen if there was a leaderboard where teams are represented rather then single players.

The fact that anyone can think that the leaderboard, as it is currently, is any indication of skill astounds me. Take a break from your theory crafting and actually play the kitten ed game for once. You’ll see some of the ppl in the top 50 and, if you’re half decent, kitten all over them time and time again.

Here’s a suggestion! Stop worrying about the leaderboards! They weren’t accurate before so it shouldn’t be a big deal that they’re not accurate now! Let Anet work on something actually important, like bettering the game! Thanks for reading!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Obsidia.5127:

Aaron.2413:

Silentshoes.1805:

The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.

Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.

You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300

Of course you can mate.

Zzz

Collero owning OP, I like it