Guild Wars 2

Currently the Mini Llama is only available with community run sPVP Tournaments and the sPVP Ladder System. There is also the occasional opportunity to win a drawing for one during Twitch streams of these events. I suggest the Mini Llama be available in a repeatable reward track.

Reasons:
1. Community events only allow a certain amount of people to try for the llama.
2. Not everyone, especially those with busy working lifestyles, are able to join in these community run events due to scheduling conflicts.
3. The Ladder System means only 500 people out of the many MANY players will get a Mini Llama during each Ladder season.
4. Some people cannot handle the emotional stress of a tournament.

When you post either in support or opposition of this suggestion, please state your reasons why and keep the conversation friendly.

While I do see your point it is worth pointing out that the Llama is supposed to be a prestigious and somewhat rare reward. Allowing everyone to get them basically without any restrictions would diminish that quite a bit.

There should be more ways to get it (due to the high amount of them needed for the upgrades) but having a way to easily farm them whenever you want is probably not the way.

Good reasoning. I play sPvP regularly but know I would never have a shot at the llama through a tournament, mainly because I’m just so busy with everything else in life.

It’s a nice mini and, from a purely personal perspective, I’d like access to it. +1

Sendra.5709:

1. Community events only allow a certain amount of people to try for the llama.
3. The Ladder System means only 500 people out of the many MANY players will get a Mini Llama during each Ladder season.

This is literally the point, it’s meant to be a rare prestige reward. If it makes it easier to understand treat it as trophy like one you’d win in any other hobby or sport.

Krathor.9514:

Good reasoning. I play sPvP regularly but know I would never have a shot at the llama through a tournament, mainly because I’m just so busy with everything else in life.

It’s a nice mini and, from a purely personal perspective, I’d like access to it. +1

Same reasoning. Petition signed +1.

lordkrall.7241:

While I do see your point it is worth pointing out that the Llama is supposed to be a prestigious and somewhat rare reward. Allowing everyone to get them basically without any restrictions would diminish that quite a bit.

There should be more ways to get it (due to the high amount of them needed for the upgrades) but having a way to easily farm them whenever you want is probably not the way.

Pretty much this. Minis are one of the most worthless prestige items they can give (even lower value than armor skins/titles), but it is the only truly restricted skill-based reward they have.

You can get a llama from ANY tourney, including the newbie friendly Academy Gaming tourneys (from which pros are prohibited from entering).

and from just watching streams and typing a # in chat

As soon as placing in top 50% aka better half of a PVP tournament starts giving actual good rewards – i will send everyone the llamas i will have hoarded till that day (3016 with current pace)

Tl dr
Better rewards? YES
More tourneys, daily/monthly auto cups? YES
More casualism ? NO

I support this idea, getting 40 Mini Llamas (to unlock all 4 variations in wardrobe) seems like a more tedious task than getting all 21 legendaries to me.

@OP:

How many times should a person need to complete the track before they receive a llama? If it is 1, I completely disagree. I’d be fine with your suggestion if every track complete gave you a component. Combine 4 of them together to get a mini llama.

In other words, if you do the track 4 times, you can get one.

Well sometimes u have to make a tiny effort to get sth
casuals r not predestined to get everythin for thm offerd on a silver plate (:

Bart Weird.9671:

Well sometimes u have to make a tiny effort to get sth
casuals r not predestined to get everythin for thm offerd on a silver plate (:

Because the only way getting a llama is hardcore effort? You only need luck in a twitch draw or other fansite raffles to get one. Plus the casual tournament events give them out, too. If there are so many absurd ways to get them already, it will not hurt to add another one.

Automated tournaments daily, weekly, monthly. Give lama’s as one of the rewards there. At least it’ll be tied to ‘skill’ rather than ‘time’.

Will never happen, but hey.

+1 to eveyone who said no to farming and shame on you PvE grinders. The lama is the only exclusive PvP reward right now, We need more of them, not less. Now should more things allow access? Sure but that’s a entirely different story.

OneKlicKill.4285:

+1 to eveyone who said no to farming and shame on you PvE grinders. The lama is the only exclusive PvP reward right now, We need more of them, not less. Now should more things allow access? Sure but that’s a entirely different story.

Llama is not an exclusive PvP reward. You can win it on GW2 fanpage raffles quite often.

The Glorious armor, Glorious Hero armor and the Balthasar backpiece are exclusive pvp rewards.

Anet seems to be confused about “prestige” in PvP. First they nerf ranks because people were crying while seeing much higher ranked players, and they opened up PvP armor and weapons to PvE items.

Now they suddenly want to introduce “prestige” items like Llamas…wut? If you wanted to allow us prestige, simply bring back ranks, PvP only armor and call it quits.

What is this mixed messaging?

“PvP only armor”

You mean like http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glorious_armor and http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glorious_Hero%27s_armor ?

Ranks have never had anything at all to do with prestige since the only thing it ever did was show that you had spent much time.

lordkrall.7241:

“PvP only armor”

You mean like http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glorious_armor and http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glorious_Hero%27s_armor ?

Ranks have never had anything at all to do with prestige since the only thing it ever did was show that you had spent much time.

Come, getting that armor is easy. Compare that to a full r80 armor – which I doubt anyone would have received even by now. That is a real goal. One worth spending time on.

Getting the 2nd sort of set is very hard. And considering there were people r70+ before they made r80 easy, there would probably be legit r80 now. It has been over a year since the patch.

Malediktus.3740:

Because the only way getting a llama is hardcore effort? You only need luck in a twitch draw or other fansite raffles to get one. Plus the casual tournament events give them out, too. If there are so many absurd ways to get them already, it will not hurt to add another one.

Good luck getting 27 mini llamas without winning tournaments.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Malediktus.3740:

Because the only way getting a llama is hardcore effort? You only need luck in a twitch draw or other fansite raffles to get one. Plus the casual tournament events give them out, too. If there are so many absurd ways to get them already, it will not hurt to add another one.

Good luck getting 27 mini llamas without winning tournaments.

Winning tournaments is about luck, too.

Malediktus.3740:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Malediktus.3740:

Because the only way getting a llama is hardcore effort? You only need luck in a twitch draw or other fansite raffles to get one. Plus the casual tournament events give them out, too. If there are so many absurd ways to get them already, it will not hurt to add another one.

Good luck getting 27 mini llamas without winning tournaments.

Winning tournaments is about luck, too.

Please elaborate.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Malediktus.3740:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Malediktus.3740:

Because the only way getting a llama is hardcore effort? You only need luck in a twitch draw or other fansite raffles to get one. Plus the casual tournament events give them out, too. If there are so many absurd ways to get them already, it will not hurt to add another one.

Good luck getting 27 mini llamas without winning tournaments.

Winning tournaments is about luck, too.

Please elaborate.

Winning a tournament depends on your opponents, on your team mates, on damage rolls, on sigill RNG rolls, time of the tournament and possibly your latency (lag problems). The PvP in this game is hardly a purely skill based game. You would have to play a game like chess to achieve that.

style.6173:

@OP:

How many times should a person need to complete the track before they receive a llama? If it is 1, I completely disagree. I’d be fine with your suggestion if every track complete gave you a component. Combine 4 of them together to get a mini llama.

In other words, if you do the track 4 times, you can get one.

That sounds like a great idea. You’d get 1 token each time you complete the track, and you could click to combine the tokens into one mini llama or toss them in the Mystic Forge to make it.

Nope Llamas and Glorious armors are only exclusive items for “achieving” something on pvp for the majority of part, and it should be that way. PvE should have fractal, WvW should have some titles (that needs to be fixed) and rewards, and so does PvP. In fact all three types of game modes should have some sort of “prestigious” items that can be available for all, but obtained by those who dedicate their time and efforts into each mode.
Currently all three types of gamemode lacks any exclusive rewards that encourages people to explore or learn. Fractal tonic for PvE is already gated by bullkitten RNG, leaderboards in pvp is now a grindfest, and WvWs get nothing but a title that would literally take people at least a year to achieve. Among these types, PvP has the most exclusive rewards such as titles, armors, and one backpiece, but after that they have nothing. If you want a exclusive mini, you should be either forming a team to compete in community organized tournaments or watch GW2 pvp streams for give away. At least watching GW2 pvp kind of helps with publicity.

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

Then form a team ?

Last i checked PvP is a team based mode, if you want the prizes put in some effort.

I put in time to get a llama I am sure you can too.

Supposed to be a more prestigous hard to get PvP reward. I think it’s fine as is. You can even win llamas during tournament stream giveaways by doing nothing anyways for people who might not be the best at PvP or not a lot of free time to practice.

lordkrall.7241:

While I do see your point it is worth pointing out that the Llama is supposed to be a prestigious and somewhat rare reward. Allowing everyone to get them basically without any restrictions would diminish that quite a bit.

There should be more ways to get it (due to the high amount of them needed for the upgrades) but having a way to easily farm them whenever you want is probably not the way.

It’s hardly prestigious when they give them out on streams, which is just RNG and sometimes people get them just because some other team didn’t show up for a tourey.

TexZero.7910:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

Then form a team ?

Last i checked PvP is a team based mode, if you want the prizes put in some effort.

I join a team as a solo player. Like most of the Guild Wars 2 player base. Just because I join solo does not mean I don’t play as a team when the game starts.

style.6173:

@OP:

How many times should a person need to complete the track before they receive a llama? If it is 1, I completely disagree. I’d be fine with your suggestion if every track complete gave you a component. Combine 4 of them together to get a mini llama.

In other words, if you do the track 4 times, you can get one.

From a realistic point of view this would be disgusting.

First you get the head, then the leg, then the torso… Then an Asura surgeon to stitch it all together.

No thanks, 2cruel5me.

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

do the AG tourney or pugquest, I’ve got like 5 mini lamas at this point and I have always gone in as an free agent, aka SOLO.

NeXeD.3042:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

do the AG tourney or pugquest, I’ve got like 5 mini lamas at this point and I have always gone in as an free agent, aka SOLO.

I’m pretty sure this is only possible on NA.

Like mentioned above, I would recommend participating in weekly tournaments.
What can be done however is that the mini Llama could be made trade-able specially for the pvpers who care very little about it. Would be nice for them to be able to sell it and also for the other collectors who need them to complete their collections.

Laraley.7695:

NeXeD.3042:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

do the AG tourney or pugquest, I’ve got like 5 mini lamas at this point and I have always gone in as an free agent, aka SOLO.

I’m pretty sure this is only possible on NA.

Agreed but you could still technically pug the eu AG weekly if you had enough friends that would do it, and maybe just spam it in mapchat.

Long shot I guess but could possibly work.

I get it, you’re annoyed that everything else in this game can gained through grinding or bought with some $

High tier pvpers don’t get cool looking weapons, armor (no one likes the glorious pvp armor), lots of money, or really anything. So, just to be clear, you want to make it so the One Thing we can get is so easy anyone can get them?

If they make it really easy to get lamas then I want it to be really easy for me (an Only spvp player) to get hellfire gear and the super glowing gear (aka the achievement gear) through some simple and easy method. While Anet is making those changes they should also send everyone complementary legendaries of their choice.

Firebird.8324:

I get it, you’re annoyed that everything else in this game can gained through grinding or bought with some $

High tier pvpers don’t get cool looking weapons, armor (no one likes the glorious pvp armor), lots of money, or really anything. So, just to be clear, you want to make it so the One Thing we can get is so easy anyone can get them?

If they make it really easy to get lamas then I want it to be really easy for me (an Only spvp player) to get hellfire gear and the super glowing gear (aka the achievement gear) through some simple and easy method. While Anet is making those changes they should also send everyone complementary legendaries of their choice.

I totally agree. Even though this is a crappy reward…I don’t think it’s a good idea to just starting handing them out to anyone. If anything they need to make more exclusive rewards for pvp for all tiers of players. Currently there is no way to distinguish someone who has dedicated a lot of time to pvp, to someone who is actually winning tournies or an exceptional pvper.

DanzelOPP.5068:

Firebird.8324:

I get it, you’re annoyed that everything else in this game can gained through grinding or bought with some $

High tier pvpers don’t get cool looking weapons, armor (no one likes the glorious pvp armor), lots of money, or really anything. So, just to be clear, you want to make it so the One Thing we can get is so easy anyone can get them?

If they make it really easy to get lamas then I want it to be really easy for me (an Only spvp player) to get hellfire gear and the super glowing gear (aka the achievement gear) through some simple and easy method. While Anet is making those changes they should also send everyone complementary legendaries of their choice.

I totally agree. Even though this is a crappy reward…I don’t think it’s a good idea to just starting handing them out to anyone. If anything they need to make more exclusive rewards for pvp for all tiers of players. Currently there is no way to distinguish someone who has dedicated a lot of time to pvp, to someone who is actually winning tournies or an exceptional pvper.

Again, they have been handing them out. How is showing up for a tourney being an exceptional player? This all would be cool if you didn’t need a million of those llamas.

Laraley.7695:

DanzelOPP.5068:

Firebird.8324:

I get it, you’re annoyed that everything else in this game can gained through grinding or bought with some $

High tier pvpers don’t get cool looking weapons, armor (no one likes the glorious pvp armor), lots of money, or really anything. So, just to be clear, you want to make it so the One Thing we can get is so easy anyone can get them?

If they make it really easy to get lamas then I want it to be really easy for me (an Only spvp player) to get hellfire gear and the super glowing gear (aka the achievement gear) through some simple and easy method. While Anet is making those changes they should also send everyone complementary legendaries of their choice.

I totally agree. Even though this is a crappy reward…I don’t think it’s a good idea to just starting handing them out to anyone. If anything they need to make more exclusive rewards for pvp for all tiers of players. Currently there is no way to distinguish someone who has dedicated a lot of time to pvp, to someone who is actually winning tournies or an exceptional pvper.

Again, they have been handing them out. How is showing up for a tourney being an exceptional player? This all would be cool if you didn’t need a million of those llamas.

To clarify, I meant winning a tournament should award you an elite reward and as far as them handing them out to everyone is not good because it completely removes the “exclusive reward” aspect. Just as they did with the glorious armor set…these things should be earned rather than given. The Llama in my opinion isn’t a good reward to begin with and should probably be something everyone could have, but at this point I just don’t think it’s a good idea to give out the limited amount of “exclusive” rewards to anyone who wants one. When you do this you eliminate the goal to become better because being “better” offers you no benefit. I am in no way a top tier player, I am the definition of casual. But, as someone who only pvps, there really is nothing for me to work towards or set myself apart from anyone else or anyone to set themselves apart from me.

bhagwad.4281:

TexZero.7910:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

Then form a team ?

Last i checked PvP is a team based mode, if you want the prizes put in some effort.

I join a team as a solo player. Like most of the Guild Wars 2 player base. Just because I join solo does not mean I don’t play as a team when the game starts.

I can see you’re either trolling or intentionally missing the point.

Teams dont just exist out of thin air, try talking to people who you PvP with, and form yourself a team. Not be place on team Red/Blue/Spectate.

I know it’s a hard life but sometimes you have to sacrifice something to get something in return. Socialize and maybe you’ll be on a team one day.

TexZero.7910:

bhagwad.4281:

TexZero.7910:

bhagwad.4281:

The problem with “prestige” items like Llamas is that they’re not really available to solo players. I wish Anet would stop worshiping pre-mades so much. The rest of us are players too you know.

Then form a team ?

Last i checked PvP is a team based mode, if you want the prizes put in some effort.

I join a team as a solo player. Like most of the Guild Wars 2 player base. Just because I join solo does not mean I don’t play as a team when the game starts.

I can see you’re either trolling or intentionally missing the point.

Teams dont just exist out of thin air, try talking to people who you PvP with, and form yourself a team. Not be place on team Red/Blue/Spectate.

I know it’s a hard life but sometimes you have to sacrifice something to get something in return. Socialize and maybe you’ll be on a team one day.

Depends on what the game is trying to reward. You may think it should reward socialization. I do not. I think it should reward skill/dedication to the game. Some like myself deem that solo-ing in a team is enough socialization.

What makes your standard of socialization superior?

DanzelOPP.5068:

Laraley.7695:

DanzelOPP.5068:

Firebird.8324:

I get it, you’re annoyed that everything else in this game can gained through grinding or bought with some $

High tier pvpers don’t get cool looking weapons, armor (no one likes the glorious pvp armor), lots of money, or really anything. So, just to be clear, you want to make it so the One Thing we can get is so easy anyone can get them?

If they make it really easy to get lamas then I want it to be really easy for me (an Only spvp player) to get hellfire gear and the super glowing gear (aka the achievement gear) through some simple and easy method. While Anet is making those changes they should also send everyone complementary legendaries of their choice.

I totally agree. Even though this is a crappy reward…I don’t think it’s a good idea to just starting handing them out to anyone. If anything they need to make more exclusive rewards for pvp for all tiers of players. Currently there is no way to distinguish someone who has dedicated a lot of time to pvp, to someone who is actually winning tournies or an exceptional pvper.

Again, they have been handing them out. How is showing up for a tourney being an exceptional player? This all would be cool if you didn’t need a million of those llamas.

To clarify, I meant winning a tournament should award you an elite reward and as far as them handing them out to everyone is not good because it completely removes the “exclusive reward” aspect. Just as they did with the glorious armor set…these things should be earned rather than given. The Llama in my opinion isn’t a good reward to begin with and should probably be something everyone could have, but at this point I just don’t think it’s a good idea to give out the limited amount of “exclusive” rewards to anyone who wants one. When you do this you eliminate the goal to become better because being “better” offers you no benefit. I am in no way a top tier player, I am the definition of casual. But, as someone who only pvps, there really is nothing for me to work towards or set myself apart from anyone else or anyone to set themselves apart from me.

I get your point, but saying llamas shouldn’t be given out, so there is some ’’prestigious’’ reward while admitting it should be easier to obtain by all players makes no sense. Especially when you do know that they are giving them out already, so it is not prestigious anyway. I mean the whole idea is just bad. They introduce new minis from pvp, which should be reserved for top tier players, but give them out on streams. This is not a prestigious reward, it’s just an annoying one since you have to get like 40+ (Not sure about the number, just what I read on forums) of them to have the final version. If they want to go this way, they should make the llamas obtainable by most players while introducing new rewards that would actually really indicate your skill at least a bit.

But really, 40 llamas?

I am using llamas as an example because it’s pretty much the only pvp reward out their. But, yes in an overall measurement of worth (imo) the value of a mini is garbage, which would make it something that should be easily obtainable only if there were other rewards.
Pvp, wvw, and pve should all have separate tiers of skins to obtained by those who put it in the time and skill necessary to acquire them.
for pvp atleast, an actual leaderboard that is TEAM based rather than personal would be a good start. Also, an algorithm that measures skill over amount of games played. Easier said than done I know but in the current state of things, if all you do is pvp, you really have nothing to work towards or any goals which in turn really gives you no incentive to keep playing.