Guild Wars 2

Just re-instate season 2 Ranked (50/50 matchmaking)

Have a separate Pro-League

Needs to be a place you can go to just have a good, fun game with balanced teams.

Fun first, Esport second or game will die.

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Cool – thnx

Dirtyrascal.1023:

Just re-instate season 2 Ranked (50/50 matchmaking)

Have a separate Pro-League

Needs to be a place you can go to just have a good, fun game with balanced teams.

Fun first, Esport second or game will die.

fun is not a priority for gw2 pvp. we would have many more options and modes if fun was a priority

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

WoW you could not have possibly been more wrong.

The fact that you think Unranked serves anything like the same purpose as Season 1 is surprising.

Having somewhere you can play a 50/50 game, whatever level you are and just play for fun is essential to a game’s health.

Having a separate Pro-League would mean that Pro-League could be as uncompromising as it needs to be in order to be a serious E-sport.

If you think that this would mean not enough players would play Pro-League – you’re kind of arguing with yourself.

I think people would take Pro-League seriously and not just play that mode because the other modes suck, thus sabotaging more serious players games.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Actually mostly upset because the people we get teamed with hold “us” back from winning, It has come to my attention that people like you are completely oblivious to the nature of the lower rung/average tiers in pvp, you would definitely hate being in my MMR’s shoes if the table were turned, could you at least admit there is something wrong here?

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

What people need to realize is that this is a competitive game mode. There will be winners, and there will be losers.

Attempting to twist the rule so that everyone becomes winners just mean this is not a competitive game mode anymore. It will become PvE. The one who grinds the most win! I’m sure you don’t want that either.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

People like you didn’t like the pre Dec 2014 MMR did you?…

Littlefeather.8623:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Actually mostly upset because the people we get teamed with hold “us” back from winning, It has come to my attention that people like you are completely oblivious to the nature of the lower rung/average tiers in pvp, you would definitely hate being in my MMR’s shoes if the table were turned, could you at least admit there is something wrong here?

Other than the first 10 matches in Amber where the enemy teams were way below average my matches since reaching Emerald have actually been pretty good. I haven’t played a ton of matches this season but my matches in Tier 2 have been fairly competitive (not always close but not blowouts) and two of them ended within 10 points of each other.

Based on some of the teams I played in Amber I could very easily see 1 good player carrying against the other team, of course if you are average and they match you against a team of all good players you will be in trouble but most of the good players should be out of amber and even emerald by now. I have played maybe 20 matches this season and I am on the last tier of Emerald.

All these people admitting they are only average should realize in a ladder system they should only reach sapphire or ruby division at the end of the 2 months anyway so if you are only emerald right now you will be where you are supposed to be once all the better players have advanced to the right division. It doesn’t matter how much you try to grind you will be held back if your MMR is below other people within your pip range.

The biggest reason people have to be upset is because they are getting smashed while they wait for the higher MMR people to move up the ladder and that doesn’t mean we have to use the sub par system that was used season 1, placement matches like many have suggested would fix that problem.

Littlefeather.8623:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

People like you didn’t like the pre Dec 2014 MMR did you?…

I have been playing since beta and my ranked/unranked win percent has been a steady 56-60% purely solo queuing with maybe 10 guild matches thrown in for missions and I have never really had a problem with the match making. All I am noticing this season is that the quality of my team has risen substantially.

Also I see you avoided the question which gives me my answer.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

You are so off the mark it’s unbelievable and I won’t let you troll me.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt one time…

Theorise all you like Unranked is not fun, people don’t take it serious ENOUGH. Most people agree that the games in Season 1 were balanced. This infact was is biggest flaw because High MMR players shouldn’t be finding it challenging to get out of Amber.

Anet could just scrap Unranked and turn THAT into the Season 1 set-up.
Put all the reward tracking into that.

Pro-League players don’t want casual, back-pack hunting, dallies achievement players in the League anyway. Pro League should be about the competition – being a top tier player.

I couldn’t give 2 hoots about a back pack. I just want to be able to log into GW2 and KNOW I’m going to have a good, fun game where I’m playing in a balanced match. Personally I would absolutely still play the Pro-League, and it could be as brutal as it likes.

If you can’t log in KNOWING you can have a few fun, evenly balanced games, I think I speak for a lot of players when I say I won’t be hanging around.

Sunshine.5014:

What people need to realize is that this is a competitive game mode. There will be winners, and there will be losers.

Attempting to twist the rule so that everyone becomes winners just mean this is not a competitive game mode anymore. It will become PvE. The one who grinds the most win! I’m sure you don’t want that either.

Actually I am fairly sure that is what lots of the people complaining want. I am sure there are people who are just frustrated with the bad match ups but if they want to play balanced 50/50 matches for fun there is always unranked.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Littlefeather.8623:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

People like you didn’t like the pre Dec 2014 MMR did you?…

I have been playing since beta and my ranked/unranked win percent has been a steady 56-60% purely solo queuing with maybe 10 guild matches thrown in for missions and I have never really had a problem with the match making. All I am noticing this season is that the quality of my team has risen substantially.

Also I see you avoided the question which gives me my answer.

I’m not going to spell this out – but….. /facepalm

Someone tell him…. I’m out.

Dirtyrascal.1023:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

You are so off the mark it’s unbelievable and I won’t let you troll me.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt one time…

Theorise all you like Unranked is not fun, people don’t take it serious ENOUGH. Most people agree that the games in Season 1 were balanced. This infact was is biggest flaw because High MMR players shouldn’t be finding it challenging to get out of Amber.

Anet could just scrap Unranked and turn THAT into the Season 1 set-up.
Put all the reward tracking into that.

Pro-League players don’t want casual, back-pack hunting, dallies achievement players in the League anyway. Pro League should be about the competition – being a top tier player.

I couldn’t give 2 hoots about a back pack. I just want to be able to log into GW2 and KNOW I’m going to have a good, fun game where I’m playing in a balanced match. Personally I would absolutely still play the Pro-League, and it could be as brutal as it likes.

If you can’t log in KNOWING you can have a few fun, evenly balanced games, I think I speak for a lot of players when I say I won’t be hanging around.

So you still want the reward for the wings to be moved to this new mode, like I asked originally. You realize all the “baddies” that end up on your team and cause you to get murked will just move to this new version of unranked and use their terrible builds and bad play styles there because just like you they can’t win in the current ladder.

If your complaint is that people don’t take unranked serious what makes you think people will take unranked 2.0 any more seriously, it’ll be the average MMR people and all the people who only want the back pack and don’t take the game seriously in a little league of their own.

BrotherBelial.3094:

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Here we go…another everyone deserves a medal mom.

S1 MMR was completely different from S2 MMR, in S1 I stayed 5-10 pips from diamond, S2 I’m 0-5 pips in Emerald… I don’t think many players are doing ranked for a stupid wing set…I’ve been doing only ranked since beta off and on, exactly 50% into Brawler Champ title in ranked, I got my Slayer title in unranked, no need for me to go unranked, I was top 12 pre Dec 2014 on leader board, there’s no way this MMR is accurate…

Dirtyrascal.1023:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Littlefeather.8623:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

People like you didn’t like the pre Dec 2014 MMR did you?…

I have been playing since beta and my ranked/unranked win percent has been a steady 56-60% purely solo queuing with maybe 10 guild matches thrown in for missions and I have never really had a problem with the match making. All I am noticing this season is that the quality of my team has risen substantially.

Also I see you avoided the question which gives me my answer.

I’m not going to spell this out – but….. /facepalm

Someone tell him…. I’m out.

Face palm all you want but win percentage has nothing to do with MMR (at least originally) it has to do with the quality of opponents you win and lose against. I don’t even claim to be that good of PvPer, but the amount of whining by some of you on this forum is astonishing and I would have less of a problem with it if people would at least be honest about their intentions.

Lots of people like to hide behind the guise of wanting fair matches and a competitive system when really they just want to grind up the ladder and get their shinies. As stated above its a competitive ladder there is going to be winners and losers.

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Here we go…another everyone deserves a medal mom.

I don’t see how it is. But hay, feel free to come up with another way to keep everyone happy. There can always be a special shinny, or title for the “pro” players. Will that make you feel like a special snowflake?

Littlefeather.8623:

S1 MMR was completely different from S2 MMR, in S2 I stayed 5-10 pips from diamond, S2 I’m 0-5 pips in Emerald… I don’t think many players are doing ranked for a stupid wing set…I’ve been doing only ranked since beta off and on, exactly 50% into Brawler Champ title in ranked, I got my Slayer title in unranked, no need for me to go unranked, I was top 12 per Dec 2014 on leader board.

We have no clue if S1 and S2 MMR is any different actually, at least I have not seen anywhere that they claimed to reset everyone’s MMR and if someone has a link that proves otherwise that would be great. I think you are confusing MMR (match making rating) and match making. The match making has changed and you are right they are completely different.

If my memory serves me correctly you are talking about the ranked grind board which a turret engie with less than 50% win rate was number 1. Now it is impressive that you got that high on the leader board but it mostly means played a lot of matches and you managed to win at least half of them. That ranked season was by no stretch of the imagination a ranked season that represented a competitive ladder, it was whoever plays the most wins.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Dirtyrascal.1023:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Littlefeather.8623:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Unranked actually still uses the same matchmaking system that was used in season 1 so in essence it serves the exact same purpose minus progress on the wing backpack. If you want 50/50 match ups go play unranked.

Here is a question if they implemented a separate league that used the exact same setup as season 1 would you play it if it did not award you any progress towards your legendary back pack? If your answer is no then my point stands.

People like you didn’t like the pre Dec 2014 MMR did you?…

I have been playing since beta and my ranked/unranked win percent has been a steady 56-60% purely solo queuing with maybe 10 guild matches thrown in for missions and I have never really had a problem with the match making. All I am noticing this season is that the quality of my team has risen substantially.

Also I see you avoided the question which gives me my answer.

I’m not going to spell this out – but….. /facepalm

Someone tell him…. I’m out.

Face palm all you want but win percentage has nothing to do with MMR (at least originally) it has to do with the quality of opponents you win and lose against. I don’t even claim to be that good of PvPer, but the amount of whining by some of you on this forum is astonishing and I would have less of a problem with it if people would at least be honest about their intentions.

Lots of people like to hide behind the guise of wanting fair matches and a competitive system when really they just want to grind up the ladder and get their shinies. As stated above its a competitive ladder there is going to be winners and losers.

Gosh darn it you’re a smart one… everything you say is right. All the assumptions you make about people are right. They are just being dishonest when they tell you themselves that your assumptions are wrong.

I /facepalmed because you’re progress is only as good as the team you are put on. This is why there are a lot of good players sitting around in lower ranks than they should be. You cannot go down divisions so players who benefited by being put on good teams (ahem) will not equalise downwards when they hit the wrong side of the bell-curve, bell-end.

g’night.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Here we go…another everyone deserves a medal mom.

I don’t see how it is. But hay, feel free to come up with another way to keep everyone happy. There can always be a special shinny, or title for the “pro” players. Will that make you feel like a special snowflake?

Why even play? If you want everyone to get everything, just let everyone log in with the option to hit a single button and get every achievement/piece of gear possible. Some people don’t deserve to receive what others do. Not everyone deserves a bloody trophy.

Basket,

In S1, they used the same MMR matchmaking as Unranked. This season they are taking similar MMR to make a party. The issue is that average MMR players are ranked with New players because they are given average MMR. If you want an ladder that’s skill based but you continually get matched with low MMR players and have to carry them, is that necessarily fair? Isn’t that what some of the higher MMR players were complaining about last season?

So everyone is saying some people have to win and some people have to lose but if the system is putting you with a handicap when you don’t need a handicap, I don’t think it’s a fair system. At least we could agree on that, right?

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

If this was a true ladder I wouldn’t have a problem, but its not, its weighted arbitrarily. And personally I give a kitten for the goofy wing skins I think they’re stupid but I care that I cant have a decent match in ranked and I cant have a decent match in unranked till this kitten tournament is over.

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Here we go…another everyone deserves a medal mom.

I don’t see how it is. But hay, feel free to come up with another way to keep everyone happy. There can always be a special shinny, or title for the “pro” players. Will that make you feel like a special snowflake?

Why even play? If you want everyone to get everything, just let everyone log in with the option to hit a single button and get every achievement/piece of gear possible. Some people don’t deserve to receive what others do. Not everyone deserves a bloody trophy.

Yeah so take the rewards out of the ‘Pro-League’ (currently Ranked) – let people play for League Position.

Put the reward track into a 50/50 matchmaker game mode – how is everybody not happy with that?

Casuals kept from ruining Pro-League (currently Ranked) by not needing to play there for their reward-track items.
Pro-League players being able to go for the rewards too in th 50/50game mode if they want where they SHOULD have to play challenging games, every game.

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

Pyriall.1683:

BrotherBelial.3094:

We had a similar discussion in another thread.

The solution we came up with is as follows.
Have Unranked, league ranked, and pro league ranked. So if you want to work on your back pack you can with S1 in the league ranked, and the S2 set up in the Pro league. That way the people who think they are pro can go find out, and the rest of us that know we are average at best can play the ranked. Then when we’ve had our fill we can go.play unranked.

Here we go…another everyone deserves a medal mom.

I don’t see how it is. But hay, feel free to come up with another way to keep everyone happy. There can always be a special shinny, or title for the “pro” players. Will that make you feel like a special snowflake?

Why even play? If you want everyone to get everything, just let everyone log in with the option to hit a single button and get every achievement/piece of gear possible. Some people don’t deserve to receive what others do. Not everyone deserves a bloody trophy.

Didn’t say everyone did. But from your posts you seem to be a “I have it and I don’t want other people to have it” types. To bad ANet said everyone can gain this given enough time. Guess your shinny will only be so for a certain amount of time. I really don’t get why people get upset in a game where everything is about skins. Just get over your self. The league is a reward track, sure not everyone will finish it. But everyone should have a chance to. Weather it takes them 2 seasons or 10.

Thiefz.3695:

Basket,

In S1, they used the same MMR matchmaking as Unranked. This season they are taking similar MMR to make a party. The issue is that average MMR players are ranked with New players because they are given average MMR. If you want an ladder that’s skill based but you continually get matched with low MMR players and have to carry them, is that necessarily fair? Isn’t that what some of the higher MMR players were complaining about last season?

So everyone is saying some people have to win and some people have to lose but if the system is putting you with a handicap when you don’t need a handicap, I don’t think it’s a fair system. At least we could agree on that, right?

I do agree that new players should not start out with average MMR that along with the fact that everyone starts in Amber are what cause the majority of the problems.

However lots of the complaints have been made by people on 20+ game losing streaks, these people are trying to rush through the ladder and it won’t work this season. Once people get where they are supposed to be two teams of average MMR will face off against each other and you will have what you had last season, you may still be forced to carry but you will be carrying new players against another team of new players and that is possible.

I just don’t want them making the league seasons into big grind fests like they were with the old ranked leader boards and how they were Season 1.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Ok so lets be honest, about 80% of the league doesn’t give a kitten about fun competetive match ups. We want to progress thru our tiers and get the back pack. I don’t give a kitten about pretty little titles or black diamond bullkitten.

Hell if I ever get the back piece Ill either turn it off or transmute it, because like all the other back pieces that skin sucks.

Bearded.6485:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Ok so lets be honest, about 80% of the league doesn’t give a kitten about fun competetive match ups. We want to progress thru our tiers and get the back pack. I don’t give a kitten about pretty little titles or black diamond bullkitten.

Hell if I ever get the back piece Ill either turn it off or transmute it, because like all the other back pieces that skin sucks.

Oh I know, based on the amount of complaining this season Anet’s only chance next season will be season 2 match making but rewarding 1 pip for a loss, 3 for a win and miraculously everyone will praise the amazing system.

Sunshine.5014:

What people need to realize is that this is a competitive game mode. There will be winners, and there will be losers.

Attempting to twist the rule so that everyone becomes winners just mean this is not a competitive game mode anymore. It will become PvE. The one who grinds the most win! I’m sure you don’t want that either.

10/10 for irony.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Bearded.6485:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Could you guys at least admit that you are mostly upset you can’t make progress towards your wings and that is why you want this separate league. Otherwise all the people complaining that they don’t have balanced matches already have exactly that if you go play unranked.

You guys also don’t really care for the health of PvP or any sort of competition/ladder if you want to even further split the PvP community. Everyone is saying how the population has dropped so much and now you want to further dilute the population with an extra league?

Ok so lets be honest, about 80% of the league doesn’t give a kitten about fun competetive match ups. We want to progress thru our tiers and get the back pack. I don’t give a kitten about pretty little titles or black diamond bullkitten.

Hell if I ever get the back piece Ill either turn it off or transmute it, because like all the other back pieces that skin sucks.

Oh I know, based on the amount of complaining this season Anet’s only chance next season will be season 2 match making but rewarding 1 pip for a loss, 3 for a win and miraculously everyone will praise the amazing system.

Actually I think the OP will give everyone what they want.