Guild Wars 2

as things stand, each prof has one or two specs that vastly outperform all other builds. im basically excluding myself from tpvp because i dont wanna play a bunker guardian, or a condition ranger. similarly, i dont wanna play a sword/pistol/X shatter mesmer. mantras and the scepter, for example, have no place in tpvp. ranger pets and power builds dont have a place. and so on.

are there any plans to make multiple builds viable for tpvp in the future? as expected, people are min-maxing hard, and i hope devs are ready to start tuning down some of the pervasive nonsense like bunker-dependency.

Of course they want to. But you also got to accept that not everything you’d want to play is going to be viable. Also there is player perception about what is good and what isn’t which may not include some builds that are just as effective but less popular.

>Want to play a competitive format without using an optimal build.

Min maxing is the most basic of fundamentals of power gaming. If you’re not willing to min max, you might as well not be willing to win.

so then everyone will be playing the same or similar builds in tpvp? is that ok? i get that organized play is in its infancy, but some specs and weapons are just so blatantly superior.

I would kind of agree with this in some ways, but disagree in others.

There’s a few different metas at the moment. One if the “I’m a solo player and I stomp everything with X” 1v1 mentality. The other is a team orientated focus of builds where combining builds, which may not be conventional, but combining specifically for team fights. This is where build variation comes in.

1v1 every class has a few builds they can use and some are a lot better than other builds for that profession. Team builds is where people wil take the role of condition cleansing, or healing, or conditions, or dps, or CC, or players may take a few combinations of these.

It’s like, you play LoL and you can look up on mobafire the builds. GW2 is in this stage at the moment. The Better lol players look past individual builds and create team orientated builds.

It’s like (lol reference again and apologies if whoever reads this doesn’t play lol) at the moment everyone is currently playing 2 top, 1 mid, 2 bottom, and an AP carry in each lane. Everyone thinks their build is da bomb, but in reality the meta is changing every day.

When the tournies come out, people will start adjusting and the optimal 1 top, 1 jungle 1 support + ad carry bot GW2 equilivent will come to fruition. At the moment, no one knows what the optimal setup and team builds are. But we will once the bugs are fixed and global tournaments.

nerva.7940:

so then everyone will be playing the same or similar builds in tpvp? is that ok?

Yes. Then it becomes a matter of who plays the build better, or “skill” if you will, which is the whole point of GW2 PvP.

Reikou.7068:

nerva.7940:

so then everyone will be playing the same or similar builds in tpvp? is that ok?

Yes. Then it becomes a matter of who plays the build better, or “skill” if you will, which is the whole point of GW2 PvP.

Yes. Let’s all watch, on the grand stage that is E-Sport, who can pull off more shatters, Mesmer #1 or Mesmer #2.

Or which bunker Guardian dies first. Or which Thiefs’ Backstab misses.

How exciting.

Merciless.5349:

Reikou.7068:

nerva.7940:

so then everyone will be playing the same or similar builds in tpvp? is that ok?

Yes. Then it becomes a matter of who plays the build better, or “skill” if you will, which is the whole point of GW2 PvP.

Yes. Let’s all watch, on the grand stage that is E-Sport, who can pull off more shatters, Mesmer #1 or Mesmer #2.

Or which bunker Guardian dies first. Or which Thiefs’ Backstab misses.

How exciting.

This is exactly what Starcraft has evolved into, and is one of the biggest “e-sports.”

as a top diamond player, i’ll have to disagree. SC2 has actually evolved into something organic. not only are there at least several openers in terms of building order, but players can also choose what combination of units to build. all sorts of crazy build orders are possible, and viable, depending on timing.

even LoL and DoTA2 give you the option of building your character differently after a certain point.

If there’s money involved there will be esport. If people compete for said money there will be esport. If people want to watch people on a stream winning money from a tournament, there will be esport.

If people said you can win 1,000,000 (insert your currency here) for throwing a twig at a wall, and whoever threw the twig with the most style would progress into the next round, as long as there were enough coherent rules in place, people would watch it.

This game has what is takes to be an esport regardless how how boring people think buildwars are. However, the meta is constantly changing, so don’t worry about the builds, bring the player.

nerva.7940:

as a top diamond player, i’ll have to disagree. SC2 has actually evolved into something organic. not only are there at least several openers in terms of building order, but players can also choose what combination of units to build. all sorts of crazy build orders are possible, and viable, depending on timing.

even LoL and DoTA2 give you the option of building your character differently after a certain point.

I was talking about Starcraft Brood War.

I use to play my mesmer with at least 3 different builds in tpvp, 2 of them are significantly different from each other (one is condition based and the 2nd is direct damage dealer sword/sword). I don’t feel like i’m forced to play one of them since i end in the 1-2 position with every one of them.
The fact is that with so many skills/traits, some of them are mainly pvp and some of them are mainly pve (for example focus and his warden). Since in pvp you deal damage with phantasms (stacking bleed or with direct damage, it depends) you won’t use a scepter which 1) attack spawns clones that overwrite your main dps source. Same thing can be said for several other skills, just think about mantras..but i don’t see it as a problem since even avoiding some skills that are pve oriented (long cast time ecc) you can still play different styles

To be honest…many people that want everything balanced off of 1v1 are not entirely wrong and neither are the ones that wish for it to be balanced off of 5v5. There needs to be a balance between those too. Unfortunately, you can only get so close and currently we are probably as close as it gets as if you buff one build, you have to take away from another build as if you combine both of those two strong builds and you run the possibility of overpowering that class. Its a massive headache and i do pity the poor soul that gets stuck with that job.