Guild Wars 2

Seriously, it’s like some sort of sick joke. Anet goes & designs a 5 v 5 team game based around objectives that requires teamwork. Then they remove teams.

Wow.

10/10

Can you name any other competitive team games that forbid teams? Overwatch, LoL, DotA, Paragon, the list goes on- all of these games let people form teams & queue vs teams.

Anet, & some of the community have decided that the best way for a team game to be played is solo, or with one friend. Excellent idea. It’s just teammate, & teamcomp russian roulette now. Roll that dice & hope you don’t get tripple thief, or an afker, or a guardian using signet of courage. Then come to the forum & get told you need to carry in a team game.

A team game that forbids teams & real teamwork is an utter joke. What’s the point to it?

Guess what makes it even funnier? Oh, it’s that nearly all of the PvE content in this game requires a 5 man team, & the playerbase has no issue getting into teams for that. Which is no surprise really, considering we have an LFG tool & uh… the game is called GUILD Wars. So it seems pretty dumb that in a game called GUILD Wars (which has guild teams i might add) in a gamemode designed around two teams fighting over objectives, you can’t play as a team.

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I’m betting it would take a week for them to introduce a 5v5 queue with no class stacking. I doubt that it’s that hard at all. Hey, & off-season is the perfect time to test to see if the playerbase can fill the queue.

But will they? I’m not so sure. I’d like to hope the complaints about teammates and class stacking would give them some indication that this game doesn’t work all that well in a purely solo/duo environment.
Also, they are the only game studio forbidding teams in a team game. Surely they must be able to see this is counterintuitive.

Pretty much why ALL of the serious teams that were good have all but left competitive PvP.

All that is left is people that love the game and that’s really it.

If there were just more organized tournaments for teams, then there could be some real competition. Or make ranked strictly 5v5 and team based. Solo and Duo were more competitive than premades stomping unorganized teams. Of course not every premade was good and able to stomp everyone, but even those games weren’t competitive. They were just unorganized premades fighting against unorganized solo/duo/triple/quadruple queuers. Tournaments is where leagues should go if they want a competitive game mode. Leagues should be about the top teams. There could be weekly tournaments that affect your placement on the leaderboards and games during the week beforehand to practice, but offer rewards to encourage players to practice.

@dmndbcK
I agree. I’m only still here because I like the combat and I’ve played enough to be good at the game. but I’m still playing other games more than I play gw2.

@Zintrothen
I’m not advocating for mixed queue. It’s lazy and uncompetitive, how pointless.
Tournaments could be good, but they would be a lot more trouble to organise and it would be an absolute nightmare to find a suitable time. Simply a team queue alongside a solo, or solo/duo queue is all I’m asking for. Having no team outlet for a team game is really bad for the health of a game.

This is the consensus of the community, I don’t think you should blame Anet for it. Personally I rather they have both “solo queue”, and “team queue” Just note that the queue time for “team queue” will take a long time. And putting them together would be really unfair for the solo queuers.

its a good point man. where da teams at? like I commented on another thread, it would be interesting to see how a ranked 5v5 teamq only would play out. maybe give ranked much better rewards or just have unranked give none to encourage people teaming up. mobilize and organize!

Or they could make a queue solely for full premade group 5v5 matches.

Problems is then people would start squabbling about how come solo Q people get to have the same rewards as team queue.

If they follow on that and make team queue more rewarding, then everyone feels compelled to play team queue instead of solo queue.

dmndbcK.3425:

Pretty much why ALL of the serious teams that were good have all but left competitive PvP.

Not really, most of the competitive playerbase left the game long before season 5, same with the 5v5 tournies, they died off way before season 5, back when people could queue as a team, the solo/duo queue has nothing to do with the failure of this game as a competitive team based PvP game.

Zenith.7301:

Or they could make a queue solely for full premade group 5v5 matches.

Problems is then people would start squabbling about how come solo Q people get to have the same rewards as team queue.

If they follow on that and make team queue more rewarding, then everyone feels compelled to play team queue instead of solo queue.

better rewards for team queue is the way to do it. if they end up being as good as a pve group run, it even becomes compelling for people to do PvP instead of dungeons etc.

choovanski.5462:

Zenith.7301:

Or they could make a queue solely for full premade group 5v5 matches.

Problems is then people would start squabbling about how come solo Q people get to have the same rewards as team queue.

If they follow on that and make team queue more rewarding, then everyone feels compelled to play team queue instead of solo queue.

better rewards for team queue is the way to do it. if they end up being as good as a pve group run, it even becomes compelling for people to do PvP instead of dungeons etc.

I doubt PvE people will ever want to do PvP and vice versa.

Competitive environments are not for everyone, and a large reason for playing PvE is story and RP immersion which pvp players don’t care for remotely.

There’s a reason competitive players came up with the “RP F3 (insert letter stupid censor)G” term.

The problem with forcing group content is it increases time commitments and makes the game less about getting a quick play session as you then have to worry about team management to get rewards.

And I don’t think the modern pvp or even pve scene is moving in a direction where people don’t want easy access to games.

Look at how controversial the raids have been in this game.

Zenith.7301:

choovanski.5462:

Zenith.7301:

Or they could make a queue solely for full premade group 5v5 matches.

Problems is then people would start squabbling about how come solo Q people get to have the same rewards as team queue.

If they follow on that and make team queue more rewarding, then everyone feels compelled to play team queue instead of solo queue.

better rewards for team queue is the way to do it. if they end up being as good as a pve group run, it even becomes compelling for people to do PvP instead of dungeons etc.

I doubt PvE people will ever want to do PvP and vice versa.

Competitive environments are not for everyone, and a large reason for playing PvE is story and RP immersion which pvp players don’t care for remotely.

There’s a reason PvP players came up with the “RP kitten ” term.

i don’t know. i know a ton of people who only run dungeons and fractals for the rewards. if PvP team queue had really good rewards I’m sure a lot of people would do it.

i mean, we already have people doing ranked who just want the rewards. its not hard to imagine a rewarding group queue becoming popular.

regardless, I’m all for anet trying team queue.aybe it will fail, maybe it will breathe new life into the game. I’d like to know.

choovanski.5462:

Zenith.7301:

choovanski.5462:

Zenith.7301:

Or they could make a queue solely for full premade group 5v5 matches.

Problems is then people would start squabbling about how come solo Q people get to have the same rewards as team queue.

If they follow on that and make team queue more rewarding, then everyone feels compelled to play team queue instead of solo queue.

better rewards for team queue is the way to do it. if they end up being as good as a pve group run, it even becomes compelling for people to do PvP instead of dungeons etc.

I doubt PvE people will ever want to do PvP and vice versa.

Competitive environments are not for everyone, and a large reason for playing PvE is story and RP immersion which pvp players don’t care for remotely.

There’s a reason PvP players came up with the “RP kitten ” term.

i don’t know. i know a ton of people who only run dungeons and fractals for the rewards. if PvP team queue had really good rewards I’m sure a lot of people would do it.

i mean, we already have people doing ranked who just want the rewards. its not hard to imagine a regarding group queue becoming popular.

regardless, I’m all for anet trying team queue.aybe it will fail, maybe it will breathe new life into the game. I’d like to know.

I remember when they added rank rewards and pvp dailies and that backpack glider, it brought a lot of PvE players that PvP players hated having around because it meant carrying unskilled people in their games.

1. GUILD Wars is not about guild. This guild not that guild. See the history to know why the name is Guild Wars.

2. Pls don’t say team more under that kittening less player base. Here just have team vs solo or crazy queue time. That’s all.

3. Balance from 1v1 before HoT. Now? Balance from 5v5 after HoT. Add the full support , ADC , Defender…. then cut the team queue. LOL, 100% surely get suck .

1+2+3 = there should not have team queue and return the plan that before HoT to build up that kitten poor less player base first. Then we can talk something about team queue after that.

xeonage.1253:

1. GUILD Wars is not about guild. This guild not that guild. See the history to know why the name is Guild Wars.

2. Pls don’t say team more under that kittening less player base. Here just have team vs solo or crazy queue time. That’s all.

3. Balance from 1v1 before HoT. Now? Balance 5v5 after HoT then cut the team queue. LOL, 100% surely get suck .

dang man. that’s so well reasoned & so flawless grammatically i’ve reconsidered my whole position /s

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still, i’d love to know what crystal ball you’ve been using to find out that the population can’t support team queue. personally i’m unsure if the population would be able to sustain the queue, but i’d actually like to find out.

choovanski.5462:

xeonage.1253:

1. GUILD Wars is not about guild. This guild not that guild. See the history to know why the name is Guild Wars.

2. Pls don’t say team more under that kittening less player base. Here just have team vs solo or crazy queue time. That’s all.

3. Balance from 1v1 before HoT. Now? Balance 5v5 after HoT then cut the team queue. LOL, 100% surely get suck .

dang man. that’s so well reasoned & so flawless grammatically i’ve reconsidered my whole position /s

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still, i’d love to know what crystal ball you’ve been using to find out that the population can’t support team queue. personally i’m unsure if the population would be able to sustain the queue, but i’d actually like to find out.

Viewer of twitch, esl, wts, youtube , queue time and that 70% NO TEAM QUEUE MORE poll. Anet would not give you a number but something you can find out for reference.
Sorry, eng is not my main language.

if the choices were hotjoin or team q I’m pretty sure there would be plenty willing to team up.

xeonage.1253:

choovanski.5462:

xeonage.1253:

1. GUILD Wars is not about guild. This guild not that guild. See the history to know why the name is Guild Wars.

2. Pls don’t say team more under that kittening less player base. Here just have team vs solo or crazy queue time. That’s all.

3. Balance from 1v1 before HoT. Now? Balance 5v5 after HoT then cut the team queue. LOL, 100% surely get suck .

dang man. that’s so well reasoned & so flawless grammatically i’ve reconsidered my whole position /s

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still, i’d love to know what crystal ball you’ve been using to find out that the population can’t support team queue. personally i’m unsure if the population would be able to sustain the queue, but i’d actually like to find out.

Viewer of twitch, esl, wts, youtube , queue time and that 70% NO TEAM QUEUE MORE poll. Anet would not give you a number but something you can find out for reference.
Sorry, eng is not my main language.

ok.

i’d love to know your logic behind this. because i just can’t see how a low viewership on a streaming platform means team queue would fail. it seems like a huge logical jump.

now we have your community poll argument. it’s a better argument than your viewership one, but it still doesn’t hold water.

i’ll explain why. as https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-Season-5-Ranked-Queue-Poll-Closed/first shows the results were as follows:

79.1% Yes, restrict ranked queue to one or two-player parties for Season 5.
20.9% No, do not restrict ranked queue to one or two-player parties for Season 5.

the result of the poll were mainly motivated by players being sick of a mixed queue (which i think is fair enough). we can see they would rather have a queue that is restricted to solo/duo over the mixed queue we had. however what the poll doesn’t show is that the population would be unable to sustain a team queue. the poll actually didn’t give us the option to vote for a separate solo/duo queue & a separate team queue. now, if that option was there this would be a useful statistic, but as it’s not this statistic is irrelevant.

people voting for solo/duo over a mixed queue does not indicate that the community does not want, & furthermore could not support a team queue.

The original vote for solo/duo was poisoned by the horrible pip system of the previous seasons. Players were matched against other players of incredibly disparate skill levels because there were so few people in their pip range. They incorrectly blamed teams.

Running season 6 with full queue would serve as a good contrast without the extra variable of the matchmaking system.

Here we are talking about teams. Please try to remember: people voted SoloQ. They screamed for it in Reddit and this forum, they wanted it, and we all voted. Result of voting is solo-duo in ranked. History has been written.

As for the next season, it will also be solo-duo. Why? Because many players asked for it on Reddit while providing positive feedback about solo-duo so far. A developer already confirmed that next season will also be solo-duo. However, they will balance the game and MMR formulas a bit more (info will be provided).

Regarding teams and guilds… these are for PvE mostly in a meaningful way.
Why would anyone start a PvP guild? To play duo? There are no PvP guilds in this game. There is no point of having PvP guilds. There is no point in having PvP teams. We have solo-duo, and many many players love it so far.

With all respect to all votes, I kindly ask everyone to kindly respect all votes for solo-duo in PvP. Arenanet likes it, players love it, we should all be happy.

1. We back to see S4 team vs team – The system chooses the team vs team first . Then we have a crazy queue time in top. Anet decide to cut team queue and pull the poll out. The poll is guide people to choose. That all they(Anet) want. That why they don’t give you a Poll that Name -Should We have Team Queue and Solo Queue? Because they do not have that enough PLAYER BASE! . Do you want queue time destroy both sides?

2. Balance problem. You can not make sure there have a supporter, ADC, defender in every team at solo queue. Let’s us see S5 class stack together. But in team, that is not problem. We can see S1 to S4, Anet hard to want people to make a team and guide them make a team. But Sorry, less people want to build a team is a real. How to balance both sides? Don’t do anything? Remake those balance form each class? How about PVE that kittening Raid?

The role of Viewer in the system. Viewer number show many things. You also can see the viewer number of lol, dota, csgo …. those successful game.

Decision never make from one people in a company.
They have data
They have discussion
They have consideration
What they do that mean What they lose.

They have like 2 people that work on pvp what do you expect. To maximize limited resources they threw out that stupid poll and went by it. Its not really complicated. They have super limited resources for the pvp side. Because of that once they get the ball rolling in a certain direction it takes forever for them to reverse course.

steelheart.7386:

They have like 2 people that work on pvp what do you expect. To maximize limited resources they threw out that stupid poll and went by it. Its not really complicated. They have super limited resources for the pvp side. Because of that once they get the ball rolling in a certain direction it takes forever for them to reverse course.

well, they have enough resources to make new gamemodes, new maps & revamp old ones. so i bet they have what it takes to add a 5man queue in offseason as a test. it’s just a matter of if they want to.

@xeonage
i can’t actually understand most of what you’ve typed. but you seem to claim that because anet didn’t offer 5man queue the population can’t support it. that’s a kittenumption. i’d like to actually know, instead of just assuming.
in regard to the rest, uh i just don’t know what point you’re trying to get across. i don’t understand your writing.

Team queue is primarily a tool to farm solos. That may not have always been the intent, but it is the practical reality.

As such, it really poisons the well in pvp.

By the way, PvP and PvE aren’t mutually exclusive. I really enjoy the rp and immersion of PvE. I also enjoy the challenge of PvP.

Ithilwen.1529:

Team queue is primarily a tool to farm solos. That may not have always been the intent, but it is the practical reality.

As such, it really poisons the well in pvp.

By the way, PvP and PvE aren’t mutually exclusive. I really enjoy the rp and immersion of PvE. I also enjoy the challenge of PvP.

homes, im not advocating for a mixed queue. i’d like to see a queue for just 5man teams. no solo farm at all.

it solves the issue of team comps, bad teammates, afkers & should result in better communication & rotations. i’d like to hope that it would also reduce toxic behaviour as people will be less inclined to trash talk their actual teammates & blame them for all their losses.

I would quit entirely if that happened.

There were separate queues for solo and team, back in the day.

That got removed even though the change was protested at the time. I’d love to see a return to that system. I still claim population won’t support it.

Just one simple questions – if Anet let us team Q + solo Q. Then everyone will be happy. This also don’t a difficult work and they have done it since 2012. What is their consideration to make them cancel team Q + solo Q?

If memory serves, it was to reduce queue times. Team queue was particularly long. This is a big reason I claim that the current population isn’t going to support such a move.

What we need is well balanced solo matches for a while, until the reputation of matchmaking improves.

When matches are seen to be good for a period of time, we may get back some of those PvE people who were driven away by deliberately tilted matches.

Ithilwen.1529:

If memory serves, it was to reduce queue times. Team queue was particularly long. This is a big reason I claim that the current population isn’t going to support such a move.

What we need is well balanced solo matches for a while, until the reputation of matchmaking improves.

When matches are seen to be good for a period of time, we may get back some of those PvE people who were driven away by deliberately tilted matches.

hard to argue with this, even tho I’m for having 5 person premades only.

thils if this were a democracy I would vote for you.

Make one queue for solo… Make one queue for team queue… Make it so team queue matches gain more MMR since they took the time to group together 5 people and compete… and for solo queue, make it so they get better rewards… Attract people in different ways. ANet needs to take some initiative on this stuff

mrauls.6519:

Make one queue for solo… Make one queue for team queue… Make it so team queue matches gain more MMR since they took the time to group together 5 people and compete… and for solo queue, make it so they get better rewards… Attract people in different ways. ANet needs to take some initiative on this stuff

you would give solo q more rewards? I mean I can agree that pvers would be attracted to them and you might get better quality matches, but rewards are a great way to grow something. chances are if you give team q better rewards and only reward the winners, then people will strive to get better.

I’m really glad team queue is gone from competitive. Duo should be next to go. Your skill should be based on your own merit. Balancing is way easier to achieve with solo q.

Stand The Wall.6987:

mrauls.6519:

Make one queue for solo… Make one queue for team queue… Make it so team queue matches gain more MMR since they took the time to group together 5 people and compete… and for solo queue, make it so they get better rewards… Attract people in different ways. ANet needs to take some initiative on this stuff

you would give solo q more rewards? I mean I can agree that pvers would be attracted to them and you might get better quality matches, but rewards are a great way to grow something. chances are if you give team q better rewards and only reward the winners, then people will strive to get better.

Then let’s reverse my idea…

Team queue = better rewards
Solo queue = better MMR gain

Think it’d work out well?

Here we go again…just gonna drop my opinions on this and clear a few things up.

• There used to be a Team Queue and Solo Queue and it didn’t work.
  Let’s clear this one up first, there was a Solo Queue and a Mixed Queue. There was no pure 5v5 Team Queue. Of course Mixed Queue had longer queue times. That’s what happens when both Solo Queue and Mixed Queue offer the same exact rewards. Why play tier 4 fractals if I could get the same exact rewards from tier 1 fractals with much less effort?

• There isn’t a large enough population to support Team Queue.
  This could very well be true, then again Anet can consistently put me and many many others in a team in less than 2 minutes any time of the day. I’d argue that the population is there, the incentive is not.

• The players voted for to remove Team Queue and everyone loves it.
  The players voted to remove Mixed Queue, not Team Queue, due to traumatizing matches they had against teams while playing solo. As for players preferring solo/duo queue, that isn’t the consensus that I get from the forums. I’ve seen quite a few threads asking for a separate 5v5 only Team Queue, many threads blaming duo queues for their losses, and countless threads of people blaming the teammates that solo queue gave them for their losses. But hey, at least we have fast queues now right?

The current Solo/Duo Queue PvP format reminds me alot of WoW battlegrounds. It’s great for casual PvP that you can just jump right in. But then we also have these leagues and Leaderboards attached to it, which is fine I guess so long as you don’t think you can just slap a leaderboard on a casual game mode and magically make it a competitive PvP environment.

I think alot of the frustration comes from people that want a competitive PvP environment, despite all traces of it having been removed from the game. These people had high hopes for the GW2 PvP scene. However, in-game tournaments, world tournaments, guild teams, and the ability to queue as a full team in ranked have all been removed it seems.

It feels like Anet is leaning towards more of a casual PvP scene for the future. This is fine, just not good news for people that want a competitive scene or those that play an mmo to, you know, play with their friends. Honestly, without proper implementation, Team Queue won’t work because there just enough interest in it, and Anet hasn’t given players any incentive to develop an interest in it.

mrauls.6519:

Then let’s reverse my idea…

Team queue = better rewards
Solo queue = better MMR gain

Think it’d work out well?

I don’t know how you came to that but my proposal is this:
solo q low rewards low mmr gain/loss
team q high rewards (bigger rewards the higher you climb) high mmr gain/loss
I would go even further:
solo q unranked only, no titles
team q ranked only, titles
I would enforce this during leagues as well.
some other things:
only gain rewards upon a win, and cannot gain same rewards twice (dunno if this is in game already or not)
top stats gains you extra pips (someone elses idea)
afking gets you dishonor
no profession stacking
dailies disabled in both unranked and ranked

Stand The Wall.6987:

mrauls.6519:

Then let’s reverse my idea…

Team queue = better rewards
Solo queue = better MMR gain

Think it’d work out well?

I don’t know how you came to that but my proposal is this:
solo q low rewards low mmr gain/loss
team q high rewards (bigger rewards the higher you climb) high mmr gain/loss
I would go even further:
solo q unranked only, no titles
team q ranked only, titles
I would enforce this during leagues as well.
some other things:
only gain rewards upon a win, and cannot gain same rewards twice (dunno if this is in game already or not)
top stats gains you extra pips (someone elses idea)
afking gets you dishonor
no profession stacking
dailies disabled in both unranked and ranked

a kitten of idea
ranked gives individual rank, playing in a team dont give to the system an idea of your individual skill, gives and idea of full team skill
a team q mode have to give team rank, not individual rank
and this is the reason while rank is an individual “skill” measure ranked leagues have to stay solo, no duo, no trio, no full team
an easy example. imagine top 5 players play together in a team, how the system managed to know who is the better player?
a team league only have a reason to be for registered teams (same five men all the entire season), not HoTM pugs or LFG groups

megilandil.7506:

snipples

so make team q register team rank and not individual rank.
allow 2-3 roster changes through out the season.

Stand The Wall.6987:

megilandil.7506:

snipples

so make team q register team rank and not individual rank.
allow 2-3 roster changes through out the season.

preferable to register up to a 7 man rooster to make posible changes in the top ones and for the majority of players not having to wait to be all loged in, this way it can ve posible a team based league
people are not against a team q for who want to play in teams, people are against mixed qs, and people are against to for making possible team q losing the chances of individual ranking

thing about having a bigger then 5 person roster sounds good man.
about that other stuff, hope youre not trying to “inform” me, I already know.
I know everything.

Stand The Wall.6987:

about that other stuff, hope youre not trying to “inform” me, I already know.
I know everything.

Because of this awesome great and poweful atitude we have solo-duo. Who needs teams and friends? I am the best. I can win this because I am always right…

it was a joke calm down.
even if it wasn’t, blaming some random person for something they ultimately don’t have any control over is silly.