Guild Wars 2

This game lacks the ability to have sustained teamfights. Why is that? Is it even true (I’m comparing with gw1)? Obviously we can say the major difference is not having dedicated healers, but what kinds of things are we missing specifically? Are there any plans to fix this?

This game is not dedicated to have longer teamfights. As said, lack of dedicated healers and lack of rezz utilities. Also the AoE is pretty intense at the moment. EG engineer, necro, elementalist.

For sustained teamfights you need strong group support capabilities (not just talking about heal).
Guardian, Ele and Warrior are pretty close to this, although they could need less self support and more group support.

also conquest does not support team fights. it supports Bunker and outnumber fights

Its the format. When you fight as a team in one area points are ticking every second elsewhere.

ensoriki.5789:

Its the format. When you fight as a team in one area points are ticking every second elsewhere.

Yes but it’s the other way around: we have this format because sustained teamfights aren’t possible.

milo.6942:

ensoriki.5789:

Its the format. When you fight as a team in one area points are ticking every second elsewhere.

Yes but it’s the other way around: we have this format because sustained teamfights aren’t possible.

Thats not true, this format was used in GW1’s alliance battles and hero battles, and that had the precious trinity. This is the format because, aside of GvG which requires more pregame preparation and thus has less overall players at a given time vs arenas, capture point games are much more strategic then classic fight till you die arenas.

Parisalchuk.9230:

milo.6942:

ensoriki.5789:

Its the format. When you fight as a team in one area points are ticking every second elsewhere.

Yes but it’s the other way around: we have this format because sustained teamfights aren’t possible.

Thats not true, this format was used in GW1’s alliance battles and hero battles, and that had the precious trinity. This is the format because, aside of GvG which requires more pregame preparation and thus has less overall players at a given time vs arenas, capture point games are much more strategic then classic fight till you die arenas.

The developers have said time and time again that Conquest is the game mode we have because other formats don’t work well within gw2’s combat system. Point capture games are not “more strategic” — there is a problem with the basic game design that forces devs to try and split teams up.

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

The fast pace and visual mess of team fights prevent any advanced form of team coordination.

Add on top of that crazy range damage and you can forget about the magnificent trinity of protection/shutdown/damage that made guild wars 1 the best team oriented PvP out there (with most skills being designed on a trade off concept which was fantastically crafted)

Devs can “easily” fix the pace of the game and the effects. They’ll struggle with team interaction.

It will help and maybe we’ll end up with something like counter strike team coordination. But is it what competitive mmorpg players want?

You ever played on foefire? I’ve been in games where no one has ever capped graveyard because neither side could kill fast enough. Once one guy died he would respawn and rejoin the fight. The team that ended up losing was the one that went for the backcap because he got slaughtered by the guys on the upper ledge while the bunker sat tight.

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

SuperHaze.4210:

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

If you were hoping this game would be GW1 version 2 you should have just read some Dev posts where they clrearly stated that this was not going to be the same game – if you liked GW1 play GW1 – GW2 is going to stand on its own. Would have saved you lots of time.

SuperHaze.4210:

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

I’m in gw1 now, standing in ra. Man this game is awesome, even the music and the ambient sounds bring back such good memories. Still enough people around for some good old ra, and from what I can see GvG is still happening (had 1 friend on list and he was in a match!). I’ll probably start gvging again in gw1. My old guild still plays, like holy kitten! Gonna RA a bit now, anyone want to gvg in future add me I’m G8 “I Was Milo”

Hugs.1856:

The fast pace and visual mess of team fights prevent any advanced form of team coordination.

This. The is just way too much artificial intelligence ruining the experience. Way too many pets and Mesmer clones it can seriously be overwhelming

Parisalchuk.9230:

SuperHaze.4210:

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

If you were hoping this game would be GW1 version 2 you should have just read some Dev posts where they clrearly stated that this was not going to be the same game – if you liked GW1 play GW1 – GW2 is going to stand on its own. Would have saved you lots of time.

I wouldn’t have bought this game if it wasn’t touted as being an esport, but that’s old news now. At this point in time, I had been waiting to see how this game progressed in regards to competitive pvp (not esport btw) and have been disappointed with the direction that pvp has been going. I won’t complain about balance because there are always going to be imbalances, but the game isn’t even fun with conquest being the only game mode. The topic of other game modes have also been beaten to death and with the release of custom arenas (even if it’s still in beta), it just looks like more of the same. I’ll probably be going back to gw1, but tell me a player that’s happy with going back to the prequel of a current game because of what the new game is lacking.

SuperHaze.4210:

Parisalchuk.9230:

SuperHaze.4210:

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

If you were hoping this game would be GW1 version 2 you should have just read some Dev posts where they clrearly stated that this was not going to be the same game – if you liked GW1 play GW1 – GW2 is going to stand on its own. Would have saved you lots of time.

I wouldn’t have bought this game if it wasn’t touted as being an esport, but that’s old news now. At this point in time, I had been waiting to see how this game progressed in regards to competitive pvp (not esport btw) and have been disappointed with the direction that pvp has been going. I won’t complain about balance because there are always going to be imbalances, but the game isn’t even fun with conquest being the only game mode. The topic of other game modes have also been beaten to death and with the release of custom arenas (even if it’s still in beta), it just looks like more of the same. I’ll probably be going back to gw1, but tell me a player that’s happy with going back to the prequel of a current game because of what the new game is lacking.

Im with you and aI definitely understand. I wanted GW2 to have the GvG and HA style games, but Im here, Im not willing to give up the engine upgrade (i.e. jumping) to go back to GW1 and having played GW1 since release I dont feel like I can go further with that game. I have, in general, lowered my expectations of GW2 and all future updates since January.

Parisalchuk.9230:

SuperHaze.4210:

Parisalchuk.9230:

SuperHaze.4210:

milo.6942:

By the way, I always held out hope that pvp would become fun like I remember it from gw1. I’ve now realized that there are multiple, fundamental, conflicting reasons why it can’t ever be as good as its predecessor. I’m just going to look for a better game that’s serious about pvp. Later all.

+1

After this patch, I have no hope of this game being anything similar to GW1 (which is why I bought it in the first place and waited patiently for updates that can somehow make this a possibility).

If you were hoping this game would be GW1 version 2 you should have just read some Dev posts where they clrearly stated that this was not going to be the same game – if you liked GW1 play GW1 – GW2 is going to stand on its own. Would have saved you lots of time.

I wouldn’t have bought this game if it wasn’t touted as being an esport, but that’s old news now. At this point in time, I had been waiting to see how this game progressed in regards to competitive pvp (not esport btw) and have been disappointed with the direction that pvp has been going. I won’t complain about balance because there are always going to be imbalances, but the game isn’t even fun with conquest being the only game mode. The topic of other game modes have also been beaten to death and with the release of custom arenas (even if it’s still in beta), it just looks like more of the same. I’ll probably be going back to gw1, but tell me a player that’s happy with going back to the prequel of a current game because of what the new game is lacking.

Im with you and aI definitely understand. I wanted GW2 to have the GvG and HA style games, but Im here, Im not willing to give up the engine upgrade (i.e. jumping) to go back to GW1 and having played GW1 since release I dont feel like I can go further with that game. I have, in general, lowered my expectations of GW2 and all future updates since January.

It just seems that Anet devs are being really closed minded about what they can do with pvp. To them, there’s no option for pvp other than conquest. There’s also just too much crying about balance that they seem to be focusing on just that. Coming from wow, I didn’t mind playing BG’s against imbalanced classes. It was fun regardless and balance was only important in arena matches and most of the imbalances come from tiered gear. At least wow had different BG’s to choose from. I just think that if they could implement the things that made GW1 so awesome, the players will come regardless of balance issues.

This game was built around tag teaming one player so it really is a team game. A 1v1 can last a good minute or two, but add in one more person and the fight will only last 10 secs at best. I will never be able to take down 2 opponents because by the time you down one of them, all your cds are spent, your health is usually half or less, and there’s no way to stomp the downed player without the other one dpsing you down on top of the downed player dpsing from the ground. The problem is the whole downstate mechanic, but that’s another topic for discussion.

This game focuses on bunker and switching bunkers when a bunker is going to go down.

Hence why 2 or 3 people on a cap wont have any effect as long as someone on other team usually a bunker is there.

Bigger teamfights should be avoided. Downstate(with unlimited rallying) and tons of pets and you forget to kill someone and the others rally.

Max 3 vs 3(and that is a lot already especially if there are pets) and the other 2 should go to other places.