Guild Wars 2

So while waiting for a patch in a game I decide to check out the guild wars 2 page on twitch to see if there is anything going on, and guild wars 2 actually had more than 300 viewers so I went to check it out. Just so happens that there is a tournament being hosted, and what’s this…..a player is actually in the tournament is actually streaming during the tournament?

Most of the tournaments is hosted by “in this thread well call this person Mr. B” Mr B. Mr B. doesn’t allow streamers “or maybe Mr B changed his ways because he realized how arrogant his ways are, and how big his ego was” to stream while he his hosting a tournament because he wanted the views, and doing so would “hurt the potential for esports”. However the player that we won’t name that was streaming had more views than the actual tournament itself. What does this tell us?

- That the playerbase is potentially as interested if not more interested in the actual strats and live feed from the players point of view and live communication on the actual team rather than the shoutcasters opinions and point of view. Which is nothing against the shoutcasters, some people just like choices.

- That restricting streamers to broadcast during a tournament is not hurting the overall scene. It’s hurting someone’s ego if the players get more viewers than the person hosting the tournament, but they are still helping the game as a whole by getting attention to the game. The medium in which is broadcasted in most cases is irrelevant.

TLDR: Don’t restrict who can stream, regardless if there is a tournament involved. If you cared about the game you wouldn’t let your ego get in the way of it.

Countless

We usually always allow players to stream their own PoV at ESL, as long as they follow our requirements and notify us about it before the cup.

As a caster I have 0 problems with a player streaming whilst in a tourney like you said, its a good point that getting an idea of the comms that do occur during a game is great!

We did have around the same amount of viewers and I can imagine a reason he was streaming is because we decided not to actually cast the first round.

I encourage people to maybe even run both at the same time to have a look at different perspectives if they should wish. Cant hurt either way,

Since we’re being about as blunt as a freshly sharpened dagger, Mr. C needs to brush up on current events, as the Mistpedia weeklies haven’t enforced a rule on this in coming up on 3 weeks now.

ESL has never had a rule on this because they’re an established company and they can support themselves without any issues. Mistpedia not so much. We have administrators that put in 4-6+ hours a week running the weeklies. They have also put in hundreds of hours in the past, with a lot of these hours being on the weekend, to run events like the ToL and ToG. One of our admins even nullified his right to play in one of these large events to ensure that the tournament could actually be run. What do these admins get for all this time and effort? Absolutely nothing. I don’t like this, and I want it to change. The only way for this to happen however, is to get our brand to a point where we can warrant the receipt of funding, from sponsors or other inlets. This funding could also be used to increase production value of streams, and even offer greater prizing to participants. The way I have tried to accomplish this in the past is by only allowing previously approved individuals (such as myself or bear the time he did it) to stream the events. If this, and wanting to pay my volunteers is considered egotistical or greedy, then call me Scrooge. While this is the main reason I originally used this rule, there are other minor ones too.

Allowing participants to stream has liabilities attached to it. By streamed our events, said player is representing our brand, and if said individual is doing/saying things on his or her stream which our user-base or any potential partner does not approve that, well that causes issues for us. There’s also the potential risk (although it is highly unlikely) that some players may be accused of ghosting through the use of these streams. While highly unlikely, it is possible, and is again another reason why I have disallowed player streams in the past for the most part.

Regardless of this however, we recently stopped providing coverage for our weeklies, and in turn abandoned this rule. I made a blog post on my personal site if you wish to read more about why we made this change, but to sum it up: players were being abused by those watching our stream, as we often had newer teams participating in the event that were highlighted on the live stream. This is completely unacceptable, so with the re-branding of our cups to cater to low-mid tier teams we also abandoned the streaming rule. It may still be present on our rule sheet due to clerical errors, but make no mistake, we are no longer enforcing it.

If you honestly feel this rule was put in place due to some egotistical or avaricious agenda on my part, then you are seriously misguided. I only want to see this game grow, and in turn wish to make sure everyone who is helping to contribute to the scene is compensated fairly for their efforts.

TL;DR: Mistpedia (the party being accused here) admins have put in countless hours to make these tournaments happen and do their work for free. I don’t like this and want it to change, but we need to grow to a point where this is possible. We restricted streaming rights in the past because I want this to happen faster. Among other reason, they really dont matter anymore, because were no longer enforcing this rule anyway.

tell it like it is BLU!
We all want to watch the matches and cheer on the participants but if the viewership turns on the players it would seem the only thing that can be done is to take it off-stream. Much respect for taking down the stream when the community was turning toxic.

Hopefully more players will stream their POV during the ESL weeklies as it truly is fantastic having both perspectives. The shout casters do a fantastic job in every match but as an avid watcher/player of the game, I want it all.

Last night ESL was actually the first tourny stream that I watched from start to the end live instead of VOD as it was amazingly entertaining to be able to stick into player’s perspective for longer period of time.

I highly respect shoutcasters as they are absolutely needed for organized tourny but if I get chance I will put both official and player view casts on next time. I really hope that we could get somehow free spectator mode in tourneys while being able to listen main shoutcast stream.

guys im stuck who is this mr b. answering riddles is so much tougher when its not to get a flimsy ring back.