I play a DH, Necro, Rev and Druid. I find the latter 3 more devastating in games compared to the DH… Hell I don’t think I’ve ever died to a DH 1v1… why cant people just kitten and L2P…? Instead of whining Nerf this and Nerf that, learn to play your class and BEAT IT! DH isn’t that strong, and the pure trap builds are kitten. Mine only runs 1 trap.
Yes I never die on my DH, I play it well. I also never die to them on my Druid, Rev or Necro. Hell my Necro SHREDS them it’s hilarious!!
Long story short, stop crying, learn to play, win. Official forums are so whiney. More solutions, less negativity.
Where if your class is reasonably comfortable, people cry until you don’t want to play it anymore.
Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
I rerolled DH from a theif/warrior and its a big difference. Like massive in terms of survivability, nuke, CC, just everything. I kind of just want to make a video but i dont have the time on how strong they are to people that dont play DH….. Any1 that is wondering just make a lvl 3, run bow,focus,sword find a trap build and just destory people.
Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
I’d just like to direct attention to this statement and ask why anyone would defend something if not for that exact reason.
Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
Same counter argument goes for you though… You don’t play DH, so you are complaining about how it is too good and needs nerf.
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
Idunno, he could be right.
Mind proving why DH dps is lower?
Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
Same counter argument goes for you though… You don’t play DH, so you are complaining about how it is too good and needs nerf.
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
I do play DH, and just what i said they are super strong…. people are saying they are having problems with reapers and scappers but the only issue i have is 1v1ing a full support druid….. DH is strong if you think its average then you are not playing it correctly. And to that arguement about thiefs DPS? you can one shot a theif as soon as they steal to you… you have plenty of says to set off the elite trap instantly then fire true shot, or use chains to knock him down teleport/laytraps…. stop defending it lol and using the theif arugement is just stupid theifs are the most squishiest easy to kill thing in the game… i have more problems with hunter pets and mesmer clones.
I’m highly amused especially by the “DH dps is lower than Thief”. Thats amusing. Please thread, don’t die. I need popcorn, be back in 10. PICK UP THE PACE. Cuz uh, 4s cooldown 1200 range piercing 9k shots are higher than 4s positional 6k shots in melee range for single targets lol. Oh and Black Bunny, thank you for being one of the few who admits Thief isn’t a real class =P
The builds they use are optimum dps in PvE so the numbers are higher (sigils like night and day exist in pve only, and the dmg potential in pvp is lower) since those changes are universal across both classes, however, you can use these numbers to extrapolate dmg ratios in pvp. So yes Thief is higher still than DH (as are a few other classes).
@BlackBunny
Not surprisingly, you have now changed your argument. Now instead of saying DH DPS is higher than thief, you are now saying “Well thief can be 1 shot”. I think your evasion on sticking to an argument might be telling, no? The point is a full zerk guard is also glass. They just use slightly higher toughness and blocks to stay alive. Thieves use shadowsteps, increased dodges, stealth and blinds. Different mechanic same result.
And your screenshot made me laugh. Your bar shows you clearly do not play DH. Purification (any guard not running shelter can’t say they play it in pvp)? Just test of faith and not procession of blades? Dragon Maw post nerf instead of RF? I rest my case.
……because dps test on static target in pve is totally relevant for pvp…. wow, just wow.
Well when you are debating which class has higher dps …. yes. Landing the hits isn’t what dps stats are about. DPS means the POTENTIAL dmg that you can output. The skill is where the rest comes in.
If it was landing hits DH wins again. Thief has to get and stay in melee (unless pistols, but then sustained dps ends in 2-3 seconds and then drops drastically).
The builds they use are optimum dps in PvE so the numbers are higher (sigils like night and day exist in pve only, and the dmg potential in pvp is lower) since those changes are universal across both classes, however, you can use these numbers to extrapolate dmg ratios in pvp. So yes Thief is higher still than DH (as are a few other classes).
@BlackBunny
Not surprisingly, you have now changed your argument. Now instead of saying DH DPS is higher than thief, you are now saying “Well thief can be 1 shot”. I think your evasion on sticking to an argument might be telling, no? The point is a full zerk guard is also glass. They just use slightly higher toughness and blocks to stay alive. Thieves use shadowsteps, increased dodges, stealth and blinds. Different mechanic same result.
And your screenshot made me laugh. Your bar shows you clearly do not play DH. Purification (any guard not running shelter can’t say they play it in pvp)? Just test of faith and not procession of blades? Dragon Maw post nerf instead of RF? I rest my case.
No im only saying that because i dont actually no theif dps atm because i have only played staff daredevil so im not going to comment on theif dps atm when i actually dont play d,p.
Yes and DH is full zerk and glass but we have plenty of utility to stay alive plus the fact that we dont actually have to get into melee to do damage….. having problems with range damage just pop up Shield of Courage… problems with getting zerged with melee and all your traps missed or on CD? swap to focus sword pop shield etc….
And you are stupid to have a static spec…. I played with test of faith because i my last fight was against a team of 3 melee and 2 condis. I change my abilities depending on what im fighting and i felt that having extra defensive against zerg would be better Stop defending it man. With the argument aswel against dragon maw and RF, i hardly ever die in conquest so for casual games im not running RF as its too easy to land dragon maws on multi targets. Try picking at it more because your arguement on DH not being OP isnt working out.
If it was landing hits DH wins again. Thief has to get and stay in melee (unless pistols, but then sustained dps ends in 2-3 seconds and then drops drastically).
Unfortunately there is absolutely no way to quantify with hard facts which class can “land hits better”. So we can speculate that because of this or that DH dps is better, but it is just that, speculation. The pure numbers for dps say thief has higher potential.
(Not saying you are wrong, just saying there is no way to know).
I really like the way these new specs are designed. They are so synergistic. The problem is that they are so much more powerful than the regular older specs that in most cases it would be better to run with one of the new trait lines.
And yes, as mentioned above the OP is basically running four of the most faceroll specs in the game and thinks its because of their amazing skilz that they don’t die in pvp.
Don’t get kitten, I don’t care at all if they Nerf it, I barely play mine as it is I find it boring. I mainly play my necro, occasionally play thief as I love the playstyle, druid/rev every now and then but not a lot. Mostly just necro. Various builds.
There would be a lot less DH tears if Trapper Runes were not in sPvP. Invisible super speed dazing instant killing action just by facerolling trap skills.
I would go as far as saying that DH is probably balanced without trapper runes.
There would be a lot less DH tears if Trapper Runes were not in sPvP. Invisible super speed dazing instant killing action just by facerolling trap skills.
I would go as far as saying that DH is probably balanced without trapper runes.
I would have absolutely no problem with them taking trapper runes out of pvp either…
I’d like to suggest they just nerf the medi trap DH by putting a longer delay between setting the trap and activation so they don’t touch the non medi trap DH, but i’m not sure i want to see any DH spec nerfed.
I’d like to suggest they just nerf the medi trap DH by putting a longer delay between setting the trap and activation so they don’t touch the non medi trap DH, but i’m not sure i want to see any DH spec nerfed.
Yep, I think the thing that really shines about DH is that you can instantly put all traps down and they are instantly activated. Unlike warlock where there is cast/global like function on casting traps. Or just make it so traps can be seen for like the first second or something.
go play dp thief vs DH, tell me how it went… oh and don’t forget to record your experience so we can all spam l2p~
Ummmmm, you do know that even without dh and the traps guardians trash thiefs right? That and you told him to fight a dh with possibly the most underpowered class right now? Nice troll there, bruh
Just l2p noobs. 100% l2p issue. Oh? How to counter them yea, just l2p. Instead of just saying l2p please use evidence and facts on why you think the class is op or not op. Pls.
The builds they use are optimum dps in PvE so the numbers are higher (sigils like night and day exist in pve only, and the dmg potential in pvp is lower) since those changes are universal across both classes, however, you can use these numbers to extrapolate dmg ratios in pvp. So yes Thief is higher still than DH (as are a few other classes).
@BlackBunny
Not surprisingly, you have now changed your argument. Now instead of saying DH DPS is higher than thief, you are now saying “Well thief can be 1 shot”. I think your evasion on sticking to an argument might be telling, no? The point is a full zerk guard is also glass. They just use slightly higher toughness and blocks to stay alive. Thieves use shadowsteps, increased dodges, stealth and blinds. Different mechanic same result.
And your screenshot made me laugh. Your bar shows you clearly do not play DH. Purification (any guard not running shelter can’t say they play it in pvp)? Just test of faith and not procession of blades? Dragon Maw post nerf instead of RF? I rest my case.
First BlackBunny actually never said thief dps is higher than DH, he said “Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high.”
Second on the one hand you tell him to “go back to basic math class” and then you proceed to give us totally irrelevant information on pve dps using gear not even available in pvp.
Third, you proceed to laugh at him for his choice of DH utilities and claim that your own view is so much superior, which is based on….?
“I play DH they are not OP”
Dude… you are playing the top 4 specs in the game right now…… DH is next level people defending it are only defending it because they are playing DH/rev/necro and dont have problems with it. Compare it to a warrior or a theif, the damage utility everything is just too high. Stop defending it because you dont want it to get nerfed.
Same counter argument goes for you though… You don’t play DH, so you are complaining about how it is too good and needs nerf.
And please, dear kitten please, do not just tell me you tried to argue that thief DPS is lower than DH. You need to go back to basic math if that is the case.
I do play DH, and just what i said they are super strong…. people are saying they are having problems with reapers and scappers but the only issue i have is 1v1ing a full support druid….. DH is strong if you think its average then you are not playing it correctly. And to that arguement about thiefs DPS? you can one shot a theif as soon as they steal to you… you have plenty of says to set off the elite trap instantly then fire true shot, or use chains to knock him down teleport/laytraps…. stop defending it lol and using the theif arugement is just stupid theifs are the most squishiest easy to kill thing in the game… i have more problems with hunter pets and mesmer clones.
Pls do not use "oneshot " word, you cannot oneshot anyone with DH, you can burst them tho.
