Guild Wars 2

The thing is… the ascended gear is meant to draw in those non-pve’rs so the queue times will be lower and will also promote their “esport”.

If they just allowed some method of attaining ascended gear through unranked then the queue times will be severely longer since not too many people play gw2 anymore.

I mean, does it really matter at this point?

I personally as someone who played competitively (not esports competitive) think that the PvE community kinda does kill PvP. As much as I believe everyone has the right to play whatever they want however they want I also think its more of a downside than plus. Sure its a whole new gametype for people to enjoy but when you attach PvE rewards such as ascended armor (no use in pvp) or legendary skins which are avalible for “everyone” which pulls in people to ranked games who may not take it as seriously. This leads to massive skin collectors, AP collectors or whatever to play random builds or play poorly which ruins it for people who want to get competitive. This isn’t the case 100% of the time but it isnthe majority. PvP should be kept more competitive and the Player vs Player armor or legendary rewards should be kept in WvW.

if you have 50% win rate you belong where you are. People cannot accept the fact that they cant farm legendary anymore like previous seasons. Someone has to occupy the lower divions aswell, everyone is not a legend. I will probably not reach it either and Im ok with that.

I agree. Not everyone deserves legend. It should be a status earned, not thrown at your average PvE raider or fractal player.

Um…..like…..check your privilege?

This post is exactly the same situation I’m in!

I have been legendary in 2 of the previous seasons and I feel like my skill is plenty good enough on Ele and Warrior to be challenging for the top 150. I got 4 unlucky DC’s in my first 10 placement matches which put me in low gold and I have been stuck there ever since. Stuck on a 50/50 win ratio which seems impossible to change and i’m not moving at all.

This entire season is literally decided by your first 10 placement games. That’s a monumental flaw.

Wait no. You got legend in the first two seasons because match making was a joke. Reality check. You’re probably not a good player and deserved to be placed where you are. 4 DCs are unlucky but if you were good you’d be able to climb fast like im sure most other good players have.
Also a set of 10 (or X number of matches) to decide on placement is how ranked works in most games…

I think the current matchmaking is the best I’ve seen yet. Most games are hard fought and close.

Zodi.8932:

This entire season is literally decided by your first 10 placement games. That’s a monumental flaw.

Despite an 8/2 placement I was placed around 1500 (also gold). I’ve climbed to 1900 and will likely hit legend the next time I play (I still find the game boring for the most part). While the balance is horrid, the MMR system and matchmaking has been working fairly well. The season is not based on your first 10 placement games.

@auroraborealis
The first fact that you don’t belong in higher ranks is that you seem to play only one profession that seems to be ele x)
Good PC gear makes you a pro gamer ? I hear that for the first time nice to know.

Last 4 seasons were like this: I play a couple of 100-600 games and reach Division 6 get my legendary title and i’m a pro now.

This season all complain about the first 10 games (while all got reset) and are upset why they rank lower as they thought. Basically it’s clear if you lose you ain’t that good as you think you are.

I got with 2 accounts plat one of them even without hot. So the fact that the 10 placement matches are luck based is 100% clearly not right. Also the fact that “pro” gamers on lower ranks should have no problem ranking up against pve heroes is also t here.

Now to mention what a pro player should be: Knowledge of all professions (including builds) map awareness and atleast knowing how to play 3-5 professions pretty good. The fact that by playing only 1 profession or 2 and thinking you are the hero of this game and then being actually pretty bad is just there. Most players think if they play a profession long enough they are good with it but it’s not like this.

And also to mention my first 10 games I won 9 of 10 with my no hot account. 1 lose cuz of double thief against tanky comp.
Second account 8 of 10 one was clear lose by getting outplayed from the enemy team and the other again double thief against 3 dhs. (I wish anet remove the daily from ranked xD)

Now insteed saying the mmr system is bad how about rethinking am I really that good or am I not so pro as I thought.

And last one pls stop making topics and complaining about the game. Get better / play atleast 100 games and then talk about the system.

Only getting a 6/4 result, I was placed in silver tier 3 after the placement matches. Bounced in between it and gold tier 1 for a while but seems to be climbing towards gold tier 2 soon. Games seem pretty fair as I had talked to ppl on the opposite side and their MMR were similar to mine albeit slightly higher or lower though there are games where either my side dominates or they dominate. From experience, teams that win are much more coordinated/know better on what to do/team fight better while teams that lose aren’t as good. Having said that, I had played badly before which contributed to losses. Still, I’m looking forward to see how far I can get up to and I accept that I definitely wouldn’t be able to make legendary at all or perhaps even platinum for this season which is so much better compared to previous seasons.

haha I have seen much much worst, trust me this is not the worst ever made. That isn’t to say it’s great, but no this is not the worst ever made

From what I’ve been reading on the forums, and seeing in matches for myself, it seems there is a massive divide in how people are experiencing this new system. Personally, I do like the new system, but there must be a problem somewhere for there to exist such an extraordinary difference in experience. The pvp community can’t be made up of 50/50 awesome/crap players. But from the reading the forums this is the only conclusion I can come to, given the polar extreme reactions.

At the beginning of S5 I would’ve classed myself as maybe average. 50-52% win rate on each of my three classes individually and combined. After abyssmal placement matches (totally my fault, I stopped practicing during off-season) I was placed in Bronze. It took a few matches, but I got my groove back and yet apparently I’m 20% worse now than I was just a few weeks ago. I don’t seem to be able to win 2 matches in a row if my life depended on it.

While I’m happy to see the pvp scene attract new players, I can’t help but wonder if we are attracting the wrong type of players.

As many others have said, a player should know the basics of how conquest works and their chosen class’s role before entering ranked competition. I don’t believe we should make it so difficult that a new player can’t “pass the test” to enter ranked. But I do believe we need to invest in educating players so that players in ranked are there to compete and not just for the shinies.

Anyway I have a skill deficit to improve. So back to battle I go.

PS: Play as a team or lose like a pug

Wolfs Shadow.7234:

haha I have seen much much worst, trust me this is not the worst ever made. That isn’t to say it’s great, but no this is not the worst ever made

Yes, because saying that a system isn’t “the worst ever made” is really saying something, eh?
It’s not THAT bad…it’s just very bad. Not the worst…simply horrible.

I am pretty sure it is an exageration and yes, there are probably worse systems out there.
But this one is pretty kittenty, let’s face it. Our PvP dev did a bad job there.

Well it’s a 5v5 game so it’s not your fault, just get 4 other friends that you know are good and team up with…. oh wait, forget it.

The top 5º guy just have 10 games,ridiculous system. got legend at last season and i really trust on my guardians and ele skills,but it’s just impossible playing this season,ppl just get lost when lose home or mid,they dont know what do to,not their fault but i dont wanna get stressed everysingle game typing on team chat making the calls,and most time i rage cuz i just cant understand why ppl still feeding home… sorry for ridiculous english

Yes, that idiotic 50% win ratio match-making system is….I mean….how come any Pvp dev keeps his job after such an idiocy is beyond me.

I wonder is Leah was in charge of soccer and rugby and the NBA..
“What, one team keeps winning? Give the other team one more player!”
“What, they still keep winning? Tilt the field against them! They must have a 50% win ratio, no matter what”.

kittened as kitten.

Bio Flame.4276:

Yes, that idiotic 50% win ratio match-making system is….I mean….how come any Pvp dev keeps his job after such an idiocy is beyond me.

I wonder is Leah was in charge of soccer and rugby and the NBA..
“What, one team keeps winning? Give the other team one more player!”
“What, they still keep winning? Tilt the field against them! They must have a 50% win ratio, no matter what”.

kittened as kitten.

You have no idea what you are on about. 50-50 matchmaking is how it should work. Of you want to win over 50% of matches then play better.

I am wondering if ppl only want a MMR system that will massage their egos by feeding them wins over weaker players based on some of the complaining posts I read.

No, actually it isn’t.
You want teams to spread out evenly over time, you don’t need to artificially lower or higher their odds to win just so to achieve that idiotic 50% ratio.

Again, in any sports, do you see it happening? Do you see a team getting easier or tougher opponents to “even out” their win odds, in order to get a 50% win chance?
Think carefully.

Btw: GW1, you know, the original game in which PvP was so much better it seems funny if it weren’t tragic? GW1 didn’t do it neither.

Well, there are quite a lot of players on the leaderboard that have more than 50% win rates. So by your logic, wouldn’t everyone be hit by that? How come there are ppl that manage to keep their win rates up from just 50%?

Bio Flame.4276:

No, actually it isn’t.
You want teams to spread out evenly over time, you don’t need to artificially lower or higher their odds to win just so to achieve that idiotic 50% ratio.

Again, in any sports, do you see it happening? Do you see a team getting easier or tougher opponents to “even out” their win odds, in order to get a 50% win chance?
Think carefully.

Btw: GW1, you know, the original game in which PvP was so much better it seems funny if it weren’t tragic? GW1 didn’t do it neither.

Wtf are you on about. Sports have designated teams and not scrambled teams of random players. This game is a solo/duo queue based on an mmr rating. Sports dont have mmr ratings. Your analogy is ridiculous. It makes zero sense.

What is your alternative? Games where 1 side has all the highrr rated players and the other side has all the lower rated players. Joke

My alternative would be to make it into a true team PvP.
There should only be true random queue and 5vs5 queue.

That’s if you want a competitive PvP game, that is. If you don’t want it, then kitten it, you might as well keep the random vs 5 man team travesty that existed untill this season.

Auroraborealis.7310:

@albostan.6719

I have played all classes to 80, aside from Warrior.

I have more than 100 games. 2000 games, and 6000 top stats awarded. Over 500 games on 3 different classes. So I think its enough to form some opinions you kitten elitist.

Careful man. Remember your place and his place. He’s a top notch White Knight, and you are the Black Sheep. If you reach too far out. You will get infracted for defend your views. All the while he gets to continue on like a trust fund baby who’s had every thing handed to them.

Anyways it’s clear as day now that pushing for PvEers to join Ranked match just for shinies. Then placing them will experienced PvP. Out of the gate is a huge mistake. I have some hard solution before I go to sleep.

A.) Make it so everyone not only have a account PvP Rank, but also a Profession PvP Rank. You can not under any circumstance till you met the PvP Rank quota which in my mind should be raised because 20 is easy to attain, but also you can’t queue in to Ranked at all with Necro, or stay DH till you meet that profession of choice PvP Rank quota.

B.) Add some 3v3 and 2v2 Ranked PvP modes.

C.) MAKE PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION MATTER WAY MORE THEN IT DOES NOW. Being the best player in the match on the worst team should not be punished but should be rewarded. If only at lease ZERO MMR loss.

D.) Redo how match maker so it handles the trust fund babies, and the hard not life kidos, much better. Make actually being good at GW2’s PvP rewarding. Not being good at get getting good D20 roll in the placement matches more rewarding. Increase the MMR decay at lot. Force players to play more game more so in the higher divisions, or lose their MMR and Rank dued to inactivity. So the players that know they are the trust fund babies don’t run away with something they do not deserve.

That’s all I have for now. I’ll too tried and don’t care that much to think of anything else. Sorry, k, bye.

“I have a 50/50 winrate in a system where you can fall to the very bottom if you keep losing so the system is bad”. No, means you’re where you belong for now and the only way to get out is better (and duo Q because that will eliminate the chance of getting one extremely bad player on your team). Yes, there’s people in divisions where they shouldn’t be (both people too good and too bad for theirs), but most games seem pretty good. I can tell you you’re not doing everything perfectly because no one goes without mistakes and the idea that playing a certain amount of time automatically puts you on a certain skill level is one you should erase out of your mind really quick.

Also imo ele is a really bad soloQ pick on low tiers just because you can’t rely on your teammates. Best thing you could do is pick fights where you’re outnumbered (but holding the node) and hope that your team wins by outnumbering them everywhere else.

Emdrix.6124:

if you have 50% win rate you belong where you are. People cannot accept the fact that they cant farm legendary anymore like previous seasons. Someone has to occupy the lower divions aswell, everyone is not a legend. I will probably not reach it either and Im ok with that.

You post this on almost every pvp forum post even when it has nothing to do with the actual post. some of us don’t have a 50/50 win rate. some of us have have more of a 80/20 lose/win rate. quit being a whiteknight for the devs your biased opinion helps no one

spartan.9421:

Emdrix.6124:

if you have 50% win rate you belong where you are. People cannot accept the fact that they cant farm legendary anymore like previous seasons. Someone has to occupy the lower divions aswell, everyone is not a legend. I will probably not reach it either and Im ok with that.

You post this on almost every pvp forum post even when it has nothing to do with the actual post. some of us don’t have a 50/50 win rate. some of us have have more of a 80/20 lose/win rate. quit being a whiteknight for the devs your biased opinion helps no one

If you have a 20/80 W/L rate, then this might indicate you got placed to high. Obviously I can’t say this guaranteed as I haven’t seen you play but it very well is a possibility. At the same time it might as well be that you are indeed getting matched with bad players. However, everyone thinking they’re good players while the rest of their team is bad isn’t quite working out, sooo…
Out of all the times where people said “it’ll solve itself over time for the most part with people moving up and down in ranks” imo this time around it’ll be the one time where it actually holds true

It’s good system and great rewards. Problem is that you can get those rewards by even not competing. It’s also good. However, Anet just rushed to put everything live without thinking it to the end. Now rewards attracts all kind of **** new free to play players who are ruining competition. I had so many matches with team mates who had from 200 to 1k AP, had no idea how to play that class. At the beginning I was competing strongly and was excited about new pvp…but now…blah, going just for rewards (became like those newbies.)

They had to put restrictions on who can join the game (you have to have pvp level 80+ etc?). Now it’s just RNG lottery and I don’t play lotteries, so reward farming it’s. Anet will never create proper system just because they rushing it without finishing.

@auroraborealis
I don’t want to say you are bad or something like that but it’s just a fact that most people want to be legendary player but are not on that lvl.

And also as some other mentioned most “pvp” players are only mad cuz they can’t just grind to legendary anymore and they realize they ain’t that good to reach legendary division even through they had last 4 pvp season division 6.
+Those players who get on bronze really wanna tell me they are the freakin best pvp players ever but the system is broke? Like ok sure you should have been all legendary you had just 10 bad games.

I just had 1 game where I had double thief talked to them and one changed against enemy tank comp. At the start we even were 3 including me but I swap without talking. So I took scrapper at the last second one of our 2 thief players went war and that was a huge improvement. What happend? I was able to hold 2-3 players (as scrapper) and my team had a easy game 500-300 but with 2 thief players that would have been nothing against double dh ele comp. So at the end it depends as I said it 100 times on your own skill and that you know what to play against what comps.

But of course when I see flamers screenshots where they play 10 games one profession and cry why they are losing ?

My last 10 games on plat 7 win 3 loses with 4 professions :-)
Based on the 50/50% matchmaking for sure not true cuz it does not include your own skill.

And for the last time if you can’t get wins on bronze cuz of your bad teammates is it really possible that from all the games you had only pro enemies so your team got all the bad players?

Anyway I wish you all good luck don’t get mad about the system it’s just a game.

Wolfs Shadow.7234:

haha I have seen much much worst, trust me this is not the worst ever made. That isn’t to say it’s great, but no this is not the worst ever made

I agree, so far I’m pretty satisfied with this system. The matchmaking is pretty good and the rewards are great.

to be honest, i can relate to OP. it get’s old when you get mixed up with people that die in a 4v1 (against 1 DH) while you manage to stay alive 1v3 for nearly the whole game on a marauder engi. it’s a 5 people team game. no 1 single person can be responsible for the win. to make someone suffer for the inaptitude of others is stupid.
my personal skill level should not be determined by how good the players on my team are, but how good i am.

Those people have no map awareness, no clue about rotations and don’t understand the principles of conquest. and you know what? i don’t blame them, because there’s no tutorial, no coached games, no integrated match recap so you can watch some pro games (like gw1 did) and there’s no incentive to learn because you even get rewards for losing. in no game you get a reward for losing, because you should encourage people to try to win. yknow, faito faito for goodie goodie. we’re not in kindergarden, we don’t need a consolation prize so we don’t cry. we lose, we improve, not lean back and enjoy rewards for losing.

TheDevice.2751:

The thing is… the ascended gear is meant to draw in those non-pve’rs so the queue times will be lower and will also promote their “esport”.

If they just allowed some method of attaining ascended gear through unranked then the queue times will be severely longer since not too many people play gw2 anymore.

I mean, does it really matter at this point?

Yes, the ranking wouldn’t be kittened up.