Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
Player comment: Well if our thief is awesome we win but if not we lose.
The same can be said for any of the classes. One bad player is a huge impact on the team.
During a different match I got blamed for not decapping more but yet that dude couldn’t 1v1 to save home if his life depended on it. So, I had to spend most of my time trying to save his kitten .
Maybe I will just DH or Rev with the rest of the people to dodge the hate.
Everyone and their grandma plays thief, and since it’s been this way for forever, it’s really easy to spot a good thief from a bad one. It’s the one profession that you have to expect to have at least one of on every team of every match, and so everyone knows how to fight a thief. (DH is getting to that point also)
Swapping won’t solve your problem unless you’re actually good at something other than thief, though. People will call you out on how bad you are no matter what profession you play, and they will also find someone to blame other than themselves if their team is losing every time. (the “I’m losing because my team is bad, not because I’m bad” mentality)
Like already said, a good thief can carry and a bad thief is a greater detriment to the team then most classes than bad players on other classes. Even a bad warrior can hold a point for 8 or 10 seconds even 5v1. A bad thief is just dead weight
The,problem in today’s game with thief is you have to have teammates who can actually play. The OP for instance stated the guy complaining couldn’t 1v1 home. Thats,a huge issue for the roamer.
I play mesmer and it’s still true about needing decent teammates to succeed. I could be a boss the entire match and win 1v2’s…..but if my team losses the 3v4 it don’t mean kitten.
Thief is one of the most popular classes and has one of the highest skill floors. Because of that there are a ton of awful thieves floating around. It is easy to spot a bad thief because of there role. Its much harder to figure out classes who are mostly involved in team fights. Thieves are involved in a lot of 1v1, 2v1, and 2v2 type situations. Guess what if you are losing most of them I know you suck. Its pretty simple. You spawn and go far and die over and over again I know you suck. If you can’t look at the mini map and see four or five enemy on one point and not at least decap a side point I know you suck. I don’t mean you personally just the average baddie thief that acts bewildered when people get mad at them. If your a tuned in player that can follow the mini map while fighting the worst players in most matches are easy to finger most of the time.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
Thief is the only class where you can be exponentially more useful the better your play. Its because the mechanics are different for one and its because its mobile enough to be a roamer/decapper. Simply knowing when to decap and +1 a fight makes you better than half the thieves out there
Thief with a bad team basically is just running around trying to sneak a decap and +1 situation, it’s actually a horrible experience. Most complaints are from WVW, duels and roamers, not realizing in team play thiefs are horrible if you team isn’t even remotely co-ordinated or have a support. Much easier to queue as other professions to carry a team than thief.
I had one game, 2 thiefs on our team, well you can guess if we won or not. If that was 2 DHs though? A good thief takes quite a lot of skill if you minus the whole ghost build people using in WVW.
Misplaced anger can cloud judgement of what’s balanced.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
So, in your world only queue if you are great with the class then. And don’t call me a snowflake. I have never voted for the left and I don’t need a kitten trophy for showing up. Love how you judge someone off one post, idiot.
I would like to add that being a good thief is more about rotations than actual fighting skill. Sure you have to be decent 1v1 and +1ing a point but it’s more about being in the right spots to force the other team to react that makes a thief good or bad
I don’t mind thieves that much. Usually I can either ignore them, or just press f1 on warr, throw down a trap on DH or use a gravedigger on my power necro. They get oneshot either way.
Until I’m up against a good thief. A very good thief can’t be hit, chased or killed. They (de)cap whatever they can, kill whoever they see and always manage to get away. Good thieves do exist, and thieves are by far the worst class to play against when they are played well.
But good thieves are a rare sight. And I wouldn’t want it otherwise.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
almost half of the population of mid low rank thieves dont know their role in match(and people blame on this thieves). I have seen a lot of times the thief using shortbow 5 to be the firts to arrive on midfight and be instakilled by the first random aoe (and in this moment i know the game is almost lost because we are 4 and a dummy golem), and after returning and returnig to midfight.
i have seen a lot of times having a thief in team and far being secure all the match with no man, and i have seen having two thieves in team and enemy having far secured and giving us problems having a dc on their team cuz they can zerk thanks to thieves not going to decap their kitteng home and being camping ours
I’ve had moments where the opposing team decided to use map chat to tell us we were going to lose because I was a bad thief. We won that match.
Often people make assumptions where a thief should be without complete knowledge. I see a guardian camping their home I’m not going to try to decap that. Or they ping map to decap when I’m already there. Also they expect thief to cover both far and home at the same time and I am running back and forth recapping/decapping because they all want to just contest mid and die on mid.
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I’ve had moments where the opposing team decided to use map chat to tell us we were going to lose because I was a bad thief. We won that match.
Often people make assumptions where a thief should be without complete knowledge. I see a guardian camping their home I’m not going to try to decap that. Or they ping map to decap when I’m already there. Also they expect thief to cover both far and home at the same time and I am running back and forth recapping/decapping because they all want to just contest mid and die on mid.
Lol so much this^^. Could sing about it.
My favorite part, you lose match – people flame/blame you; you win match – people ask you to queue with them xD
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
You know what would solve majority of that problem? If thief wasn’t shoehorned into such a garbage role where it had literally zero versatility.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ is a joke of a role. 95% of the time you’re better of taking a mesmer or a revenant instead of a thief.
Thieves are very valuable but generally not more than 1 per team. Thief works well but it requires a team that knows how to rotate.
A lot of people just know basic rotations and usually go 1 home and 4 mid and slog it out. Those teams probably want classes that do well in team brawls and can’t adapt to the strategy necessary to win with a thief. More on them than you.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
I was playing as thief last night. The only matches I lost were the ones where the support classes were pushing far. Why would a support Ele keep going far by himself??? That’s the thief/mesmer’s job, plus the rest of the team could be benefiting from auras and everything else the Ele spits out. Know your role. If you are a support build, you should be chasing team fights.
But guys Teef is OP don’t you know? I don’t see why people are mad about To many Teefz on teams, by all posts on Forums Teef is the most OP class evah.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
I was playing as thief last night. The only matches I lost were the ones where the support classes were pushing far. Why would a support Ele keep going far by himself??? That’s the thief/mesmer’s job, plus the rest of the team could be benefiting from auras and everything else the Ele spits out. Know your role. If you are a support build, you should be chasing team fights.
Yes. This is something a lot of players don’t understand. It greatly reduces the effectiveness of the roamer (and the entire team) when non-roaming classes try to roam. So many times, I’m forced to fight in mid, where I’m less effective, while a slow, team fighter heads to far to die.
That said, I’ve won many matches by keeping an opponent ele fighting uselessly on our capped home.
One of the many things that a tutorial in this game needs is roles. People should know what the main roles are, and which professions are superior for each role (yes, an ele can roam, but no where near as effectively as a thief or mesmer). Also, there could be an indicator at the beginning of the match, where people can indicate their roles.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
You know what would solve majority of that problem? If thief wasn’t shoehorned into such a garbage role where it had literally zero versatility.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ is a joke of a role. 95% of the time you’re better of taking a mesmer or a revenant instead of a thief.
If you don’t like the role of the thief, then why not play a different class? That’s like complaining about healing other players while playing a healing class. And thief is still the king of +1 and decapping. If mesmers or revenants are doing a better job, then you’re not playing thief well.
what if thief lost its extreme mobility? would it be taken at all in teams?
this is blasphemy….
they want their extreme mobility, their stealth, their evades….. the life of a necro, the healing of an ele, the blocks of a guardian and backstabing in aoe
Idk the moment they labeled Thief with plus one and de/cap role thing, was the moment this game lost its identity. I mean, as a non Thief player; what is your role?
It’s like asking, hey put more triggerable Traps and then remove the mini map.
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Between a master and apprentice, i would love to see the differences.
what if thief lost its extreme mobility? would it be taken at all in teams?
this is blasphemy….
they want their extreme mobility, their stealth, their evades….. the life of a necro, the healing of an ele, the blocks of a guardian and backstabing in aoe
No thief ever said that…..
We did hope that with HoT thieves would get a chance for different role (e.g. support, but they gave it to rangers that went from dps to healer/point holder), obviously if you fill other role you would lose the roaming one. It can be easily done by restricting utilities and traits….
If you don’t like the role of the thief, then why not play a different class? That’s like complaining about healing other players while playing a healing class. And thief is still the king of +1 and decapping. If mesmers or revenants are doing a better job, then you’re not playing thief well.
You completely missed the point of the thread. Thief heavily depends on his team doing ok BECAUSE they were forced in decap pet role for years now but when the said team doesn’t do well and/or also prevents thief from doing his job (e.g. roaming ele) they also flame/blame the thief. This is very common. This is like chopping of hands from the surgeon and then complaining that he didn’t fix your broken leg.
Why thief hate? Uhmm, let me see.
Prior to Heart of Thorns, good players actually put effort to interrupt enemies when needed. Now? ArenaNet has stacked up every elite specialization with loads of crowd control.
And what I’ve seen thieves do? Spamming randomly triple dazes from pistol and they don’t run out of initiative like they used to. I remember when bad thief spammed Heartseeker until run out of initiative and screwed up that way. And Death Blossom spam, not going to talk about it. -.-
And more about crowd control.. Condi berserkers go on forever with this, eventually something interrupts, no need to worry..
You completely missed the point of the thread. Thief heavily depends on his team doing ok BECAUSE they were forced in decap pet role for years now but when the said team doesn’t do well and/or also prevents thief from doing his job (e.g. roaming ele) they also flame/blame the thief. This is very common. This is like chopping of hands from the surgeon and then complaining that he didn’t fix your broken leg.
Yes, they were forced into that role because they are the most effective at it. What some players here seem to want a thief to be is covered by other classes. However, I agree that other players undercut thieves by not letting them effectively play that role. This is because many players don’t know the roles in this game.
what if thief lost its extreme mobility? would it be taken at all in teams?
this is blasphemy….
they want their extreme mobility, their stealth, their evades….. the life of a necro, the healing of an ele, the blocks of a guardian and backstabing in aoe
No thief ever said that…..
We did hope that with HoT thieves would get a chance for different role (e.g. support, but they gave it to rangers that went from dps to healer/point holder), obviously if you fill other role you would lose the roaming one. It can be easily done by restricting utilities and traits….
elites come without giveawais, giving thief a elite that covers other role dont mean that they lose movility or stealth, they can have less of them from trait selection but they dont lose it, and you give the perfect example of it is druid, not losing pets mechanics gives dps acces to a suport/bunker class, and giving thief a elite whith capability for big team fights retaining major part of their mobility, evades, disengaging capabilitys and stealth acces will be so broken.
The only way to make that a class can fullfill a diferent role without more powercreep is redesigning core ones as elite specs, moving the main mechanics to their new “elite core line” and losing them when you take other elite
You completely missed the point of the thread. Thief heavily depends on his team doing ok BECAUSE they were forced in decap pet role for years now but when the said team doesn’t do well and/or also prevents thief from doing his job (e.g. roaming ele) they also flame/blame the thief. This is very common. This is like chopping of hands from the surgeon and then complaining that he didn’t fix your broken leg.
Yes, they were forced into that role because they are the most effective at it. What some players here seem to want a thief to be is covered by other classes. However, I agree that other players undercut thieves by not letting them effectively play that role. This is because many players don’t know the roles in this game.
You do know thieves used to be decent duelers in first year+ and their main job was to go far at begin of match and kill w/e is there. Oddly enough (oddly for some that is), somehow pvp at those times was considered more balanced than the joke we have atm.
The old devs are gone and new ones want thieves to be huge liability and extremely dependent on the team to do well. And it really really blows my mind that current devs think it is ok to balance classes around NON-class stacking while class stacking is basically a feature in pvp – it is one of main reasons why there so many complains about DHs (too good when stacked) and why teams throw tantrum when they get more than one thief (basically guaranteed loss because devs balanced thief around being only roamer on team and with assumtion enemy doesn’t have stacked DHs/engis and co.).
As a thief main I understand the problem of thief hate.
The problem that you explain is thief is the hardest profession to carry and to play.
From all professions you can play the thief requires the most skill and most ingame awareness of all. You need to know where to go when to decap when to outnumber when to chase someone when to avoid combat when to dodge etc.
Now after the nerf most thief struggle by not being able to dodge the entire game and I saw 70%-80% of the thief players are just bad.
Like 20% are decent but require still more to be pretty good. And there is a 1-5% who are pretty good who never die know outnumbering rotation and everything.
The problem I face most is thief die first your team tryhard rez and die due to 1 mistake by a thief. That’s for sure also the most common on lower divisions which ruins the fun for everyone.
When I see thief players spamming pistol 3 or 4 you realize directly that they are bad thief players even trough they might decap points and outnumber certain fights.
And the last thing is currently only d/p is viable so most staff or condi thief players are most games useless due to no mobility and that they die within seconds.
At the end it’s just a skill thing not hate thing :-O
As a thief main I understand the problem of thief hate.
The problem that you explain is thief is the hardest profession to carry and to play.
From all professions you can play the thief requires the most skill and most ingame awareness of all. You need to know where to go when to decap when to outnumber when to chase someone when to avoid combat when to dodge etc.
Now after the nerf most thief struggle by not being able to dodge the entire game and I saw 70%-80% of the thief players are just bad.
Like 20% are decent but require still more to be pretty good. And there is a 1-5% who are pretty good who never die know outnumbering rotation and everything.
The problem I face most is thief die first your team tryhard rez and die due to 1 mistake by a thief. That’s for sure also the most common on lower divisions which ruins the fun for everyone.
When I see thief players spamming pistol 3 or 4 you realize directly that they are bad thief players even trough they might decap points and outnumber certain fights.
And the last thing is currently only d/p is viable so most staff or condi thief players are most games useless due to no mobility and that they die within seconds.
At the end it’s just a skill thing not hate thing :-O
No, it is a hate thing. I can play like trash on my necro, nobody would say a word. I can play perfectly on my thief, even enemy would say i did well and ask me to queue with them, meanwhile my team is flaming me 24/7. THIS is a hate thing.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
You know what would solve majority of that problem? If thief wasn’t shoehorned into such a garbage role where it had literally zero versatility.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ is a joke of a role. 95% of the time you’re better of taking a mesmer or a revenant instead of a thief.
If you don’t like the role of the thief, then why not play a different class? That’s like complaining about healing other players while playing a healing class. And thief is still the king of +1 and decapping. If mesmers or revenants are doing a better job, then you’re not playing thief well.
I don’t play the game anymore dear.
Don’t make assumptions…it makes you look bad.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ being the sole role of a class and balancing the class to be shoehorned into it is incompetency at best on the balance team’s part. However, judging by your comments, I’m not surprised to see that you’re incapable of comprehending that.
Also, before you ask a stupid question: I’m free to use the forums without playing the game.
Why is there so much thief hate??? I’m not a great thief but I’m not bad either but getting blamed before the match starts is really stupid.
And this is how you spot a bad thief, like others said before, a good thief can carry a game, a good one is dead weight, the special snowflake mentality
And this is how you spot a bad player. Even best thief in game is only as good as his team. If your team is incapable of holding a point, then you can’t do much. Let’s take Sind – he is probably best active thief on EU atm (fangirl mode on!!!) but i have seen him lose matches when he had a bad team.
What OP mentions is true. If Sind would be playing on some no-name account for example and his team would lose, chances are he would als get flamed and blamed. This has been normality for years now.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
My biggest issue is that teams often don’t know how to play with a thief on team. There is always that moron that keeps charging far and pulling enemies there so you can’t really go for decaps (but still getting yelled at that you don’t decap). Since this one guy is missing from the team fights, you are forced (as a thief!!) to take his spot in those fights and thief is like worst team fighter in game. Then we have people that farm animal 24/7 and let enemy steal it when it should be thieves job. Or people forcing thief to defend the point because they would rather chase some guy on the beach. Etc etc.
Bottom line, they force thief in situations that thief is not meant for and then flame and blame that thief for not “carrying” them.
You know what would solve majority of that problem? If thief wasn’t shoehorned into such a garbage role where it had literally zero versatility.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ is a joke of a role. 95% of the time you’re better of taking a mesmer or a revenant instead of a thief.
If you don’t like the role of the thief, then why not play a different class? That’s like complaining about healing other players while playing a healing class. And thief is still the king of +1 and decapping. If mesmers or revenants are doing a better job, then you’re not playing thief well.
I don’t play the game anymore dear.
Don’t make assumptions…it makes you look bad.
‘+1’ and ‘decap’ being the sole role of a class and balancing the class to be shoehorned into it is incompetency at best on the balance team’s part. However, judging by your comments, I’m not surprised to see that you’re incapable of comprehending that.
Also, before you ask a stupid question: I’m free to use the forums without playing the game.
Knowing when to ‘+1’ and when to ‘decap’ is something i don’t think a lot of players understand, and it usually means going 2 different directions on the map.
Another role for thiefs in lower levels is baiting distractions, i’ll have 2 or 3 players chasing me into random corners of the map while my team gets caps. Love that kitten!!
I was just forced into 4v5 game becuse we had 2 thieves on team and our druid decided to afk because of it. Obviously we lost (despite enemies not being that good even and we could have easily won if we just weren’t 4v5).
I join next match, 2 thieves again, this time nobody ragequits or afk’s and we actually win. The best part of this match was we were actually 200+ points behind because i DC’d (sup crappy 3rd level provider with 80% package loss) and then we made huge come back, with 2 thieves kek.
I am not denying there are bad thieves, but often teams resort to blaming the thief instead of looking at own mistakes. It has been done to me, i also have seen decent thieves getting flamed by their teammates way too many times.
This is just a problem with people in general. When they fail a team event, a lot of people will look anywhere but themselves to place the blame, because they don’t want to be bothered to put in the effort to improve themselves. Its sad, but its true.
The reason that this is often directed at thieves is because its really easy to be really bad at the class. So people just assume that its the thief’s fault, even if they (the player blaming the thief) are the one doing everything wrong.
Certain maps benefit from two thieves. Forest being one of them.
Thief just needs to make roles clear to the team and each other. If one is on decap duty then other thief is working on map mechanics and plus one as needed.
Thief can carry a close match but two thieves will snowball badly if the rest of the team can’t survive long enough to let the thieves work.
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Lets be honest here, from what I’ve seen Thief doesn’t need any skill in 1v1 or 2v1 whatsoever… The point where most Thieves fail especially in low divisions, is rotation and decisionmaking. I’ve seen Thieves with the worst rotations or randomly pushing team fights, winning 1v1’s against truly better players. In the end it comes down to rotations, which most Thieves fail on, which is why their teams flame them for losing….
Lets be honest here, from what I’ve seen Thief doesn’t need any skill in 1v1 or 2v1 whatsoever… The point where most Thieves fail especially in low divisions, is rotation and decisionmaking. I’ve seen Thieves with the worst rotations or randomly pushing team fights, winning 1v1’s against truly better players. In the end it comes down to rotations, which most Thieves fail on, which is why their teams flame them for losing….
2 things are obvious from this response.
1: You don’t play a thief.
2: You’re at a relatively low division.
No thief should be winning a 1v1 at equal skill level. There’s absolutely zero excuse for you to lose to a thief if your skill levels are equal…with the exception of utter trash tier.
1. i played thief, 2. iam platinum, dunno if that counts as low division tho
Please go duel Zan, if thief is so easy to 1v1. Don’t forget to record! Show us your epic thief skills.
Also, thief rotation heavily depends on team rotation. If 4 of your teammates are zerging animal while enemy camps every point, there is only so much you can do, same goes for support ele thinking he is some kind of roamer and pushing far all match.
Lets be honest here, from what I’ve seen Thief doesn’t need any skill in 1v1 or 2v1 whatsoever… The point where most Thieves fail especially in low divisions, is rotation and decisionmaking. I’ve seen Thieves with the worst rotations or randomly pushing team fights, winning 1v1’s against truly better players. In the end it comes down to rotations, which most Thieves fail on, which is why their teams flame them for losing….
2 things are obvious from this response.
1: You don’t play a thief.
2: You’re at a relatively low division.
No thief should be winning a 1v1 at equal skill level. There’s absolutely zero excuse for you to lose to a thief if your skill levels are equal…with the exception of utter trash tier.
that towerman said is true , skill rank not only is tied to player skill on 1v1 or wining a fight its also tied to “PVP skill” (map awareness, know where to be in a precise moment etc etc) mid and low tiers(and some in mid-high) are full of tief with a superior mechanical skill(for their rank) but 0 “PVP skill” usualy they are WvW players only seeking for duels
Lets be honest here, from what I’ve seen Thief doesn’t need any skill in 1v1 or 2v1 whatsoever… The point where most Thieves fail especially in low divisions, is rotation and decisionmaking. I’ve seen Thieves with the worst rotations or randomly pushing team fights, winning 1v1’s against truly better players. In the end it comes down to rotations, which most Thieves fail on, which is why their teams flame them for losing….
2 things are obvious from this response.
1: You don’t play a thief.
2: You’re at a relatively low division.
No thief should be winning a 1v1 at equal skill level. There’s absolutely zero excuse for you to lose to a thief if your skill levels are equal…with the exception of utter trash tier.
that towerman said is true , skill rank not only is tied to player skill on 1v1 or wining a fight its also tied to “PVP skill” (map awareness, know where to be in a precise moment etc etc) mid and low tiers(and some in mid-high) are full of tief with a superior mechanical skill(for their rank) but 0 “PVP skill” usualy they are WvW players only seeking for duels
Since it’s not apparent to you yet…let me try make this clear to you: there’s a significant difference between class faults and player faults. Once you can identify that, then come back to this conversation.
I don’t like thieves because even if we have 3, none of them switch.
Stacked Druids will switch, stacked Eles will switch, stacked Revs will switch, stacked Scrappers will switch but the thieves never switch….
thats actually 100% true.just today i had x2 thieves in my team asked 1 of them to swap they start explaining how good x2 thieves work.ofc we got rekt and lost the game really hard then 1 of them start explaining how he use to be 2k+ player and we have lost because the rest of us suck.
also when i see 2 or more thieves on enemy team i am so happy
I don’t like thieves because even if we have 3, none of them switch.
Stacked Druids will switch, stacked Eles will switch, stacked Revs will switch, stacked Scrappers will switch but the thieves never switch….
thats actually 100% true.just today i had x2 thieves in my team asked 1 of them to swap they start explaining how good x2 thieves work.ofc we got rekt and lost the game really hard then 1 of them start explaining how he use to be 2k+ player and we have lost because the rest of us suck.
also when i see 2 or more thieves on enemy team i am so happy
It not the job of the players to fix The poor choices of the Devs in balancing and Class stacking, just saying they are allowed to play whatever they feel like.
Maybe you should ask for better class balance or no class stacking.
I don’t like thieves because even if we have 3, none of them switch.
Stacked Druids will switch, stacked Eles will switch, stacked Revs will switch, stacked Scrappers will switch but the thieves never switch….
thats actually 100% true.just today i had x2 thieves in my team asked 1 of them to swap they start explaining how good x2 thieves work.ofc we got rekt and lost the game really hard then 1 of them start explaining how he use to be 2k+ player and we have lost because the rest of us suck.
also when i see 2 or more thieves on enemy team i am so happy
It not the job of the players to fix The poor choices of the Devs in balancing and Class stacking, just saying they are allowed to play whatever they feel like.
Maybe you should ask for better class balance or no class stacking.
First of all i dont mind class stacking.even thieves sure can lose a game because of it but next one they will be on enemy team and i will win.
as for class balance…thats some kinda of illusion that after over 10 years of MMORPG history players still keep dreaming for.there have never been class balances MMORPG and never will be.the only way to balance it is to set everyone to level 1 give them same weapon and same skills.
