Guild Wars 2

My latest match.

no one has ever said perma evade condi thief isnt pure cancer.

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

So I did some investigating on the threads the OP has posted in and Ive come to the conclusion that he does not main thief. From what I can tell he has posted in warrior forums and He showed off …. wait for it…. wait for it… Showed off his Guardian pictures.

So I think to myself, this guy has a conflict of interest right there. Maybe… just maybe hes trying to shift the opinions of anet or of other characters so Thief doesn’t get brought in line with the rest of the classes.

Nice try op…

To think people fear thief so much… well its obvious why … because thieves can steal their free lunch they have been given… if we are brought in line balance wise we will steal all the hopes and dreams of the click-utility-bar-turning-with-“a”-and-“d”-button- kids.

Thieves can still have winning games in spvp… it doesnt change the fact that the passive invuln boony boon boon crap has put thief in a bad spot.

But hopefully the time for faceroll cheese play will be at an end. One can hope.
Let the AXIOM OF BALANCE BE DONE: ALL CLASSES HAVE A FAIR CHANCE TO KILL ALL OTHER CLASSES IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

Don’t fear balance…… its not so scary.

Teams were about the same, think they had 2 necros and we had 1. Cobra, I play all the classes and like them all.

Oh and I’m not condi thief, pretty much meta build but instead of deadly arts I use shadow arts. Just personal preference.

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Having one or two counters means it’s not OP? Do you know what makes something OP? The more counters something has, the more balanced it is, and then there’s a tipping point when it becomes UP with too many counters. Condi thief is not that. The counters are well timed power damage hits or well timed condi hits and then not attacking till the condis have ticked. That wouldn’t be so bad if you didn’t do UNGODLY damage at the same time with all the non stop evading.

My point it, it’s absolutely pure cancer. Hell, kittening cancer itself has more treatments and is more pleasant than fighting a condi thief.

Zintrothen.1056:

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Having one or two counters means it’s not OP? Do you know what makes something OP? The more counters something has, the more balanced it is, and then there’s a tipping point when it becomes UP with too many counters. Condi thief is not that. The counters are well timed power damage hits or well timed condi hits and then not attacking till the condis have ticked. That wouldn’t be so bad if you didn’t do UNGODLY damage at the same time with all the non stop evading.

My point it, it’s absolutely pure cancer. Hell, kittening cancer itself has more treatments and is more pleasant than fighting a condi thief.

So I have played thief (the meta build) for quite a while now, almost a year since HoT came out. Since then I have played 4k games on that class and played a few AG’s on it.

Dh is supposed to be my hard counter, but I have about a 50/50 % win ratio against them. All I have to do is land the steal / draw out the passive stun break / land the stolen skill (3s daze). After that I auto until they hit the ground. Point of the story being, the hard counter to any build is class knowledge (theirs and yours) and timing.

If condi thief were as OP as you make it out to be, then d/d thief would be on every ESL team comp. If you can find any pro team that runs that thief, then I’ll gladly recant my statement and join the crowds of people that qq since they can’t l2p.

Damage Dealt: ~465k
Condi Damage: ~3k

How the frick did this become about D/D ebola spam thief?

Shadow.1345:

Damage Dealt: ~465k
Condi Damage: ~3k

How the frick did this become about D/D ebola spam thief?

because he said “we still got it guys” as if thieves were ever not a good member of a team in most comps. are they weak 1v1? sure but they arent a 1v1 class anymore. they are very good at +1ing more so than most classes.

I’m sorry, but how does posting a picture of the scoreboard relate to the current state of thieves in the meta?

The scoreboard does a very bad job at representing player skill and player contribution in a match. It’s possible for a team to win the match, and everyone on the winning team to have lower personal score than the lowest scoring person on the losing team.

It’s also possible to manipulate your personal score, by engaging in actions that are not the most effective actions which you could be engaging in within the match, but which reward the most points. That’s almost certainly what happened in your match for you to get such a high personal score.

Has thief ever been in a bad place? I’ll take a good thief over just about anything else vs PUGs. Gets a little more iffy vs full organized teams, but those are few and far between in the queue.

And when I say a good thief, I don’t mean those evade spam condi jokers.

kin korn karn.9023:

Has thief ever been in a bad place? I’ll take a good thief over just about anything else vs PUGs.

I think everyone would agree that a good +1 is better than a PUG. There’s not a bad class in Ranked pvp.

Premade Meta though, that’s a debate. I don’t think Thieves are a viable 5th pick but that’s just me. Compared to Rev/Ranger/Mesmer Necro+Engi/Ele, DH/War, Thief is in a bad spot unless it’s random pug stomping yoloQ like the picture shown in OP.

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Wat? . O this is a good one, what exactly is so difficult about pressing 3 and V?

Saiyan.1704:

kin korn karn.9023:

Has thief ever been in a bad place? I’ll take a good thief over just about anything else vs PUGs.

I think everyone would agree that a good +1 is better than a PUG. There’s not a bad class in Ranked pvp.

Premade Meta though, that’s a debate. I don’t think Thieves are a viable 5th pick but that’s just me. Compared to Rev/Ranger/Mesmer Necro+Engi/Ele, DH/War, Thief is in a bad spot unless it’s random pug stomping yoloQ like the picture shown in OP.

What I meant to say is, generally in the queue I’d rather have a good thief on my side than a good anything else. By PUGs I just meant random Qers that aren’t partied up. Of course vs organized team is a different story, but isn’t it always. I don’t think a ton of us here play tourneys, so a good thief is almost always an asset cos their potential to exploit the enemy’s weaknesses is so high.

With my current thief build I have been absolutely destroying, and I’ve had some fun encounters with salt

Ragion.2831:

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Wat? . O this is a good one, what exactly is so difficult about pressing 3 and V?

Haha, it isn’t difficult spamming Death Blossom and Dodge.
Now give me the quote where I said it was hard.

I don’t know why this became about condi thieves either. Point of this is to show other thieves that if you decap/+1 fights like we’re ‘supposed’ to, we can be valuable members of the team. Though I wish we could 1v1 as easily as we used to be able to.

Topher.5631:

Ragion.2831:

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Wat? . O this is a good one, what exactly is so difficult about pressing 3 and V?

Haha, it isn’t difficult spamming Death Blossom and Dodge.
Now give me the quote where I said it was hard.

“but it is more difficult to use than others”
heres your quote.

i just 1vs1 on my thief, if i was trying to win the match i would roll any other profession.
to +1 is much easier on other professions
as for decaps your only losing seconds. 3-4 seconds does not equal losing the ability to team fight… no matter what the anti thieves say.

Thief is entirely pointless, but i would of quit long ago without it,

(Go burst if your looking to 1vs1, DA/Tr/DD or DA/TR/CS)

sophiewhite.3149:

Topher.5631:

Ragion.2831:

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Wat? . O this is a good one, what exactly is so difficult about pressing 3 and V?

Haha, it isn’t difficult spamming Death Blossom and Dodge.
Now give me the quote where I said it was hard.

“but it is more difficult to use than others”
heres your quote.

He meant the counter to condi thief is more difficult to use than the counter for other builds. In my experience the best counter to condi thief is just force team fights it can’t contribute in very well.

ArthurDent.9538:

sophiewhite.3149:

Topher.5631:

Ragion.2831:

Topher.5631:

It isn’t pure cancer. It has a counter, but it is more difficult to use than others so peeps call it OP. I do not play condi thief.

In reference to the photo, what were the team comps lol

Wat? . O this is a good one, what exactly is so difficult about pressing 3 and V?

Haha, it isn’t difficult spamming Death Blossom and Dodge.
Now give me the quote where I said it was hard.

“but it is more difficult to use than others”
heres your quote.

He meant the counter to condi thief is more difficult to use than the counter for other builds. In my experience the best counter to condi thief is just force team fights it can’t contribute in very well.

Dang it, this is what happens when you try to read english on no sleep

Up until season 4 of pvp it was almost impossible for people to 1v1 me on my permaevade condi thief build I met maybe 3 people who were able to win in a fair fight. But the build has been put down by other classes lately. ????

In PVP the class isn’t bad, its the players. A good number of the players think that by spec’ing high DPS they are an asset. Which unless they are also good at +1ing and/or good at mobility and/or are good at rotating isn’t true. If you can 1v1 or 1v2 then nice. If you can’t and go full squish and can’t do one of the other things that make the class shine, then not so much. And that’s where it becomes an issue. That said I admit I view staff DD more like melee ranger than thief. But when you get two on the same team that can’t hold a fight alone, that where it hurts. Good hunting.

TheGrimm.5624:

In PVP the class isn’t bad, its the players. A good number of the players think that by spec’ing high DPS they are an asset. Which unless they are also good at +1ing and/or good at mobility and/or are good at rotating isn’t true. If you can 1v1 or 1v2 then nice. If you can’t and go full squish and can’t do one of the other things that make the class shine, then not so much. And that’s where it becomes an issue. That said I admit I view staff DD more like melee ranger than thief. But when you get two on the same team that can’t hold a fight alone, that where it hurts. Good hunting.

ill agree with this. went against a 4 man thief condi evade premade. while it was the most cancer and alone would die most the time. they couldnt hold a point against us. it is useless in team fights and the thieves that run it are beyond selfish.

Other professions were nerfed where they counted.