Guild Wars 2

Why is it that nothing causes their stealth to release. Seriously i’ve been stealth finished 10 times now. This is ridiculous

Oct 17th patch is slated to have the Ranger shout “Sick ’Em” afflict them with revealed status. If you’re a Guard, your 2 will hit them, provide they didn’t blind you. I guess the short answer is, asside from Combo field stealthing and SR, no thief stealth last much longer then 3-4 seconds.

i know how the thief stealth works it’s just doing damage or actions does not reveal them so if your entire team is on them and they stealthed and you have a person down that thief can finish them off without even being seen

shadowraid.7365:

i know how the thief stealth works it’s just doing damage or actions does not reveal them so if your entire team is on them and they stealthed and you have a person down that thief can finish them off without even being seen

Yeah. That’s the idea behind safe stomping. That said, if you know you’re being stealth stomped, you should call your team for help, and any player worth his/her salt know how to stop a stealth stomp.
I suppose like assassins in every other PvP game, it’s thier job to kill you swiftly if you leave yourself unguarded.

shadowraid.7365:

i know how the thief stealth works it’s just doing damage or actions does not reveal them so if your entire team is on them and they stealthed and you have a person down that thief can finish them off without even being seen

I think this alone is a little OP. I believe stealth should be broken after they take a certain amount of damage.

Eh but if they did this, I don’t know if anyone would play a thief in sPvP.

Black powder stomps let thieves stomp more safely than stealth stomps, no mention of them here though? Why complain about the method in which you are stomped, if you went down and can’t be rezzed in the time it takes a thief to use a stealth ability and do the 3 second stomp animation then it’s unlikely you’d be getting up if that thief wasn’t there.

Stealth doesn’t stop AoE, cleave, stuns, it just stops you seeing them. If a thief has to stand still for 3 seconds in necro marks, engi bombs/nades or a warr’s longbow fire field just to get a stomp in stealth, it’s going to cost them most of their health.

funny thing is people complain about these perma stealth thiefs yes they are annoying yes its a pain but what do u think is going to happen once they implement these changes to reveal thiefs once they have gone stealth?> Every thief will now be running. S/D or S/P evade builds and basically.. they are just goona QQ along that they cant even hit the thief cuz it has perma evade OR they keep getting 2 or 3 shotted by 8k pistol whips i mean lets be honest the QQ is never going to stop. period point blank.

So in all honesty i rather deal with kitten near perma stealth thiefs rather than Spamming 3 thiefs on the S/X weapon sets but thats just me i guess >

Like ive faced countless people on my thief when they are alone and tbh.. their reaction time is so horrible after i swoop in with shadow shot its like they shouldnt even be in pvp. i can understand maybe they have a bad comp or something but lets be honest after i attack them it takes them like 2 seconds to even react by then ur health will literally be under 40%.. lol its pretty funny.

You’re complaining about stealth stomping…really? Not invulnerable, stability or any of the other types- just stealth? Play more.

L2P . . . if you have problems with thieves in this condi meta u r doing something really bad.

Anyways this forum is full of QQ because L2P issues.

- Spirit Ranger OP QQ
- Terrormancer OP QQ
- Warrios . . . all OP QQ
- Engis condi damage OP QQ

Stop with the QQ, learn the mechanics, then come again and say one profession is OP.

Asking a theif to not use stealth is like asking a mesmer to not user clones.

Is a mechanic that makes unique a profession, if you cant handle a simple thief in SPVP trust me, you should play something less stressing . . . maybe the sims?

SoLeciTO.3490:

L2P . . . if you have problems with thieves in this condi meta u r doing something really bad.

Think you need to l2p if you don’t find s/d op.

in what circumstances?

is like stun lock warrior . . .

all the people is crying and complaining but for me is very easy to kill.

Man this game have different functions and roles for each character . . . the main problem in this forum is that people don’t get that . . . they want to kill every single profession with the same button spam.

This happen every time when a new hot build comes around.

Is just pathetic to see every day QQ post of people that don’t even have played all the profession a single time.

SoLeciTO.3490:

in what circumstances?

is like stun lock warrior . . .

all the people is crying and complaining but for me is very easy to kill.

Man this game have different functions and roles for each character . . . the main problem in this forum is that people don’t get that . . . they want to kill every single profession with the same button spam.

This happen every time when a new hot build comes around.

Is just pathetic to see every day QQ post of people that don’t even have played all the profession a single time.

I quess I can’t speak for you. I play that stun warrior nowdays and it does feel op as hell. I can be very effective, much more effective than on my mesmer, even if I have never played any other warrior build (except troll shot in wvw). Quess I’m naturally talented warrior.
S/d I do not play that much (I used to roam with tactical strike based build in wvw though, like 6 months ago), but my understanding is that (after speaking to people who run it) it is indeed borderline op when used by someone who knows what he is doing. It may not be as easy to pick up as the stun warrior, but op nevertheless.

SoLeciTO.3490:

L2P . . . if you have problems with thieves in this condi meta u r doing something really bad.

Anyways this forum is full of QQ because L2P issues.

- Spirit Ranger OP QQ
- Terrormancer OP QQ
- Warrios . . . all OP QQ
- Engis condi damage OP QQ

Stop with the QQ, learn the mechanics, then come again and say one profession is OP.

Asking a theif to not use stealth is like asking a mesmer to not user clones.

Is a mechanic that makes unique a profession, if you cant handle a simple thief in SPVP trust me, you should play something less stressing . . . maybe the sims?

This, so much this…

I tried typing up a few things but you really already said it… If anyone is having problems countering a thief in this current meta then I really don’t know what to say.

Yeah, glass thief with limited condition removal is OP with all this condition spamming.

ekleenex.1654:

SoLeciTO.3490:

L2P . . . if you have problems with thieves in this condi meta u r doing something really bad.

Anyways this forum is full of QQ because L2P issues.

- Spirit Ranger OP QQ
- Terrormancer OP QQ
- Warrios . . . all OP QQ
- Engis condi damage OP QQ

Stop with the QQ, learn the mechanics, then come again and say one profession is OP.

Asking a theif to not use stealth is like asking a mesmer to not user clones.

Is a mechanic that makes unique a profession, if you cant handle a simple thief in SPVP trust me, you should play something less stressing . . . maybe the sims?

This, so much this…

I tried typing up a few things but you really already said it… If anyone is having problems countering a thief in this current meta then I really don’t know what to say.

Yeah, glass thief with limited condition removal is OP with all this condition spamming.

You run lyssa runes and have sword #2 and a signet to remove some of your conditions. You can also evade most of the conditions in the first place.

SoLeciTO.3490:

L2P . . . if you have problems with thieves in this condi meta u r doing something really bad.

Anyways this forum is full of QQ because L2P issues.

- Spirit Ranger OP QQ
- Terrormancer OP QQ
- Warrios . . . all OP QQ
- Engis condi damage OP QQ

Stop with the QQ, learn the mechanics, then come again and say one profession is OP.

Asking a theif to not use stealth is like asking a mesmer to not user clones.

Is a mechanic that makes unique a profession, if you cant handle a simple thief in SPVP trust me, you should play something less stressing . . . maybe the sims?

Pretty sure Warrior is not a L2P issue. You either get a kiting build or you die using anything else. I didn’t sign up to learn to play a hard counter—I want a majority of my classes to have a viable fight against a warrior without me having to try 10x as hard to kill them.

Master of Timespace.2548:

SoLeciTO.3490:

in what circumstances?

is like stun lock warrior . . .

all the people is crying and complaining but for me is very easy to kill.

Man this game have different functions and roles for each character . . . the main problem in this forum is that people don’t get that . . . they want to kill every single profession with the same button spam.

This happen every time when a new hot build comes around.

Is just pathetic to see every day QQ post of people that don’t even have played all the profession a single time.

I quess I can’t speak for you. I play that stun warrior nowdays and it does feel op as hell. I can be very effective, much more effective than on my mesmer, even if I have never played any other warrior build (except troll shot in wvw). Quess I’m naturally talented warrior.
S/d I do not play that much (I used to roam with tactical strike based build in wvw though, like 6 months ago), but my understanding is that (after speaking to people who run it) it is indeed borderline op when used by someone who knows what he is doing. It may not be as easy to pick up as the stun warrior, but op nevertheless.

What is a tactical strike based build??? never seen that name before.

S/D to roam WvW.

First . . . this is a SPVP forum, perma stealth in WvW is really strong killing 1v1 noob players i agree, but is the only thing that thief is good at.

Second . . . Tactical strike is a great skill but you have to be very careful because it can dry your ini.

the complains from S/D are not for tactical strike, are for the evades on demand it has.

Sorry but it seems you play thief only a few hours and never get really deep into.

I have seen that most of the QQ post asking to nerf thieves comes from warriors.

Comments?

Second . . . Tactical strike is a great skill but you have to be very careful because it can dry your ini.

What? I mean, yeah, if you kitten up with #5 when setting up for tactical strike, that drains your ini yes.

the complains from S/D are not for tactical strike, are for the evades on demand it has.

Please re-read my post and make sure you understand it before posting. I mentioned tactical strike simply because I used to play that build, not because it was really relevant to the current discussion. And yes, people complain about s/d because of the evades and also because of the skill #2.

I did read, it is what i’am saying.

Is like . . . i could really complain about warriors regen power.

You now after one year of the this kind of complains are really a joke.

I don’t mind that people debates if one build is op or not when is a constructive post.

but asking to nerf the main characteristic from a profession is just a joke.

- Take of rangers pet because we others dont have.
- Take away clones, phantoms, shatters because we dont have.
- Take away perma regen from warriors because we dont have.
- Take away mines, turrets, elixirs, tools from engi because we dont have.
- Take away condition spam to necros because we dont have.
- Take away damage mitigation from guardian because we dont have.

Next time if you pretend to come and ask for a nerf make it constructive with numbers or cases, not only come and QQ about it.

shadowraid, you must be new here.

This has already been discussed to death a long time ago.

If the thief is invisible he is still there, I know because I play one. If you have good team mates and they saw the thief stealth they should be focusing on nuking the area around you or just auto attacking. Thieves are incredibly squishy and the 3 second cast animation make them very easy to kill. If there were no team mates around you then the chances of you winning the fight were next to 0 anyway.

Also stealth will does not affect the downstate abilities of most classes. Only the necro, warrior and engie are heavily affected by stealth stomp, the other classes have aoe abilities or movement ones so stealth does little to help. Also if you do play one of those 3 classes if you start the channel before they stealth it will track them ( like all channel abilities).

We know you’re angry, but please don’t just come to the forum to cry.

Thieves still take damage while invisible. If you have a weapon that does AoE, keep on swinging, odds are they are still around you. I don’t know how many times a Thief has gone invis and I just swing away and use AoE skills and next thing I know they are unstealthed and downed. I always giggle inside.

If you have retaliation, even better. When they stealth (assuming it isn’t for retreating, as in, if they are almost dead and stealth odds are they are hightailing it out of there), do some AoE skills, put up retaliation and watch them burn themselves down with their awesome burst DPS when they undoubtedly try to do their stealth-based attacks.

A good thief is hard to kill, but in my experience, the majority of thieves in sPvP are pretty awful and fight as though I’m some PvE mob.

Yeah dont nerf the thief anymore please. out stealth is only 3-4 seconds and thats why the design is the way it is. Stealth would be rendered useless if every class had a way to break stealth.

I’m getting sick of all the thieves nerves. Being a Thief since the start it’s like, oh this got nerved, that got nerved, this got nerved, well that viable trait got nerved. C’mon. Learn to play and don’t complain, there are a lot of more powerful classes than thieves… Ever run against a MM-Necro, good luck…

And the stealth stomp can easily been broke with fear or any other interrupt. We thieves have no stability….

thief can perma stealth which gives him … nearly nothing.

just move around randomly, dodge once in a while and spam aoe here and there. they won’t backstab you and if they do – only from face, which is way weaker. and then they are yours for 4 sec at least (revealed), for they gave up A LOT of build for that single stab.

i play thief (and engi), and tried perma stealth, but while you can do it, it is not meant to be the thief mechanic (while there are other, indeed good options). its a very clanky, ineffective play and ultimately mitigated by enemy. play thief a little bit and i doubt you’ll complain about this again.

I think no one with less that 100 tournments wins with the thief should be allowed to discuss on how the thief works and how to balance it properly in tPvP.

Please come back here when you’re ready to talk again.

Excuse me but i’m complaining because of even a player new to PvP in this game can see the cheap shot of stealth finish. I didn’t run into the other thief finish yet. and it’s a big issue if i get stealth stomped, my teammates don’t realize it and do nothing, and then just not even rez me and run off to either go to a new point or go find the thief and it doesn’t help when there is 3 thieves on one team and no guardians on my team to help

We all know warrior is by far the easiest class to play. It can be OP played by a average player, yet time and time again its stated that warrior takes half if not less skill to master than any other class… you dont see that you got L2P issues there.

Thief stomp is whatever though. In all honesty it comes down to who can stomp you how.

1. Thief- stealth
2. Ele- Mist form
3. Necro can get you with elite
4. War-3 down state.

I mean these are by far the safest ways to down people in the game. I dont think stealth stomp is op. I honestly think ele stomp is op if you are comparing. But then again the cool down negates the fact that it is op. So i think they are all fine. Call for team or be near then next time you go down to a thief.

stealth finish is working as intended.

get your friends to pop some aoe fear / stun / launch to counter them.
too bad if they have stability + stealth because that means you are going to be finished off.

what is the counter to stability + stealth ? don’t get downed.

TheZeus.8617:

We all know warrior is by far the easiest class to play. It can be OP played by a average player, yet time and time again its stated that warrior takes half if not less skill to master than any other class… you dont see that you got L2P issues there.

Thief stomp is whatever though. In all honesty it comes down to who can stomp you how.

1. Thief- stealth
2. Ele- Mist form
3. Necro can get you with elite
4. War-3 down state.

I mean these are by far the safest ways to down people in the game. I dont think stealth stomp is op. I honestly think ele stomp is op if you are comparing. But then again the cool down negates the fact that it is op. So i think they are all fine. Call for team or be near then next time you go down to a thief.

A few wrong things here

Have you mastered all professions? If not why are you asserting which is the easiest to master? Warrior’s one of the easiest to learn, true, but so are the other class with easy to use spam builds like thief, ranger and necromancer. Warrior simply has the dubious distinction of countering the other spam builds.

Invulnerable stomps are great sometimes but keep in mind that they don’t work on thief and mesmer at all. If anything the best stomper in the game is mesmer, with lowest CD invulnerability, instant stealth skills, and the ability to blink on top of a thief.

One thing that I remember being confusing when learning the game is that sometimes I couldn’t avoid being stomped. At that point, not very many people had figured out how to “safe stomp” yet, so it was frustrating when someone stomped me and I couldn’t do anything. When we get around to putting a decent tutorial together, I think it should emphasize that there are a lot of methods of stomping cannot be stopped. That would maybe stop gimmicks like stealth stomping from appearing overpowered.

With saying something to team stomps last like 3 seconds. Typing “hey getting stomped” or “hey need help at where ever” isn’t going to help for two reasons.
1) where your team is
2) a lot of players say to split up and you only need one person on a point

so you see there is an issue. Not a L2P issue but an issue of teamwork. Thieves can basically sustain themselves with out much help. If they have to they can get away easily without any problems they have a lot of escape to them compared to most classes. So in turn there is an issue with thieves in PvP they are a heavy turning point in any PvP match

Alys Florent.1359:

TheZeus.8617:

We all know warrior is by far the easiest class to play. It can be OP played by a average player, yet time and time again its stated that warrior takes half if not less skill to master than any other class… you dont see that you got L2P issues there.

Thief stomp is whatever though. In all honesty it comes down to who can stomp you how.

1. Thief- stealth
2. Ele- Mist form
3. Necro can get you with elite
4. War-3 down state.

I mean these are by far the safest ways to down people in the game. I dont think stealth stomp is op. I honestly think ele stomp is op if you are comparing. But then again the cool down negates the fact that it is op. So i think they are all fine. Call for team or be near then next time you go down to a thief.

A few wrong things here

Have you mastered all professions? If not why are you asserting which is the easiest to master? Warrior’s one of the easiest to learn, true, but so are the other class with easy to use spam builds like thief, ranger and necromancer. Warrior simply has the dubious distinction of countering the other spam builds.

Invulnerable stomps are great sometimes but keep in mind that they don’t work on thief and mesmer at all. If anything the best stomper in the game is mesmer, with lowest CD invulnerability, instant stealth skills, and the ability to blink on top of a thief.

Pretty much mastered all but engi and ranger and warrior. I refuse to play ranger/warrior b/c of the skill cap and all the people that play it. And engi i just never can get a grasp of it. Other than that yep I pretty much have mastered every thing there is to know about the other professions. Played SPvP since release only took 2 months off of the game to PVE, other than that i know the other classes pretty kitten well.

Also thief has the highest skill cap in game next to necro (to be played well).

Thieves are the worst stompers lol… A thief in stealth cant finish anything in a teamfight due to the cleave around the dead body. This is a ridiculous post.

I always get a laugh when people claim they mastered a class..Its even funnier when they claim they mastered 5

Morons complaining about stealth classes are what ruins pvp balance in every game.

Who cares that other classes can stability stomp, invulnerability stomp, WAAAH the thief stealth stomped me!

Thieves are already a crummy spvp class, yet they are still receiving nerfs… while stun warriors go around owning everything and being 10x easier to play than thief.

SoLeciTO.3490:

I did read, it is what i’am saying.

Is like . . . i could really complain about warriors regen power.

You now after one year of the this kind of complains are really a joke.

I don’t mind that people debates if one build is op or not when is a constructive post.

but asking to nerf the main characteristic from a profession is just a joke.

- Take of rangers pet because we others dont have.
- Take away clones, phantoms, shatters because we dont have.
- Take away perma regen from warriors because we dont have.
- Take away mines, turrets, elixirs, tools from engi because we dont have.
- Take away condition spam to necros because we dont have.
- Take away damage mitigation from guardian because we dont have.

Next time if you pretend to come and ask for a nerf make it constructive with numbers or cases, not only come and QQ about it.

You complain about lack of constructive posts and QQ with a post like this. Oh the irony.

Lol in 1v1 invi stomp is good but in teamfight its the most stupid thing which thief can do – every no noob players just make the circle killing zone :-)
If I play thief i stomp you far safer by shadowstep :-)))
So l2p