Guild Wars 2

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

Iz warriors cus they 100bladez do so much damage.

Keep laughing at casuals. We’ll see how long it takes spvp to die.

Oh, wait.

Agree.

Mesmers thieves >everything else

how pray gaem

why mesmr kill me all tiem

Davinci.8027:

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

L2P u fk sk nub

ur rite I play mesmr and only use 3 buttons, wen I want 2 kill some noob non-mesmers I press 3 and if theres 2 of the noobs I press 2 quickly followed by 1 to insta kill both of them while invis lol thieves so op I cant kill thm caz they r invisible all the tiem

They’re only really a problem in sPvP. I’m really interested to see the thief change they talked about and if it will be in the next patch.

Davinci.8027:

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

Please improve your English first before you even make this post…
It is by far the least readable post I’ve seen in the forum so far…
Your spelling and comprehension is worse than a grade 1 kid…

Anyway, back to topic…
I do agree a skilled mesmer is one of the toughest enemies you can face in spvp…
The infinite spam of illusions and condition, in addition to easy access to stealth and invulnerable, makes them one of the most fearsome opponents in 1 on 1 scenario…

Thief, however, only get their advantage in non-caping versus scenario…
Due to the nature of pvp in this game, it is easy to tell where the theif’s hiding because the capping circle is pretty small in many of the stages.
Thieves can be hardcounter by some classes true, but they can also counter many classes as well.

Overall I fear a mesmer much more than I fear a theif.

Aomine.5012:

Davinci.8027:

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

Please improve your English first before you even make this post…
It is by far the least readable post I’ve seen in the forum so far…
Your spelling and comprehension is worse than a grade 1 kid…

Anyway, back to topic…
I do agree a skilled mesmer is one of the toughest enemies you can face in spvp…
The infinite spam of illusions and condition, in addition to easy access to stealth and invulnerable, makes them one of the most fearsome opponents in 1 on 1 scenario…

Thief, however, only get their advantage in non-caping versus scenario…
Due to the nature of pvp in this game, it is easy to tell where the theif’s hiding because the capping circle is pretty small in many of the stages.
Thieves can be hardcounter by some classes true, but they can also counter many classes as well.

Overall I fear a mesmer much more than I fear a theif.

http://i34.tinypic.com/13ym8hl.jpg

thieves..

with mesmer you can dodge the burst / block and abuse the cooldown on their staff “2”

thieves have basi venom which prevents dodging even when stunbreaker is used , have poison , and just more damage output in general especially when the opponent is low already + thieves can spam evades/attacks without worrying about cooldowns when necessairy

Also thieves have WAAAAY better mobility which is amazing especially on maps like Kylho

Davinci.8027:

wich one is more ops?

cuse i was in the matches, and i face so many stopid mesmers. they spaming stealth using burst no advantage disadvantage i try and kill but they doge me al time. they also has to many invulnrable abilitis. theyre so op they illusions do alot of damage to

also the thieves they hit me one shot i dead dead nochance.
i doge but they spam swoosh swoosh swoosh agan and agan i die((.
they have permannt stealths and they run away wen i try and hit and then wen out of stealths they has full hps.

im sry but mesmers and tieves are op. pls fix this becase i dunt lik plying game and not just me lots people. D;

This is coming from the guy that said “If all you play is hotjoins please do not make assumptions about what is OP/UP Viable/not viable and whether rally should be in the game or not” Clearly a troll post because Mesmers and Thieves make up a good portion of hot joins. And neither one of these classes have an all powerful 30/30/30/30/30 build… If a thief is GC one awkward look will kill them… If the mesmer is GC slap on some conditions any decent AOE (all classes get em) will destroy the clones… And mesmers don’t have spammable stealth just cuz they confuse you (kinda the point) does not make them hard to kill… If you aren’t getting bursted run straight for the clone that’s at the back of the pack and watch them freak out while you are pressuring them… But seriously Davinci… Just stop trolling and be kittening constructive.

ensoriki.5789:

Iz warriors cus they 100bladez do so much damage.

u rite !!! i dun’ y OP talk only about thiefs n mesmurs wen warz is dat OP, plz nerf aNet.

trolling from the guy that bought you such classics as: “if you play hotjoin i don’t want you to have an opinion on the game you play.”
i don’t know which post was supposed to be amusing and which wasn’t…

pie is good

/15chars

Liewec.2896:

trolling from the guy that bought you such classics as: “if you play hotjoin i don’t want you to have an opinion on the game you play.”
i don’t know which post was supposed to be amusing and which wasn’t…

wy yu say i troling? i am so serius i say thiefs op wy you think not???
noob yu say i trol i bet u playing thief or even worse a mesmer wat a noob pls dont talkk to me thanks you

Davinci.8027:

Liewec.2896:

trolling from the guy that bought you such classics as: “if you play hotjoin i don’t want you to have an opinion on the game you play.”
i don’t know which post was supposed to be amusing and which wasn’t…

wy yu say i troling? i am so serius i say thiefs op wy you think not???
noob yu say i trol i bet u playing thief or even worse a mesmer wat a noob pls dont talkk to me thanks you

Clearly that we all know you’re a joke now.
Thanks for elaborating, now we know your post has no credibility whatsoever

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/If-all-you-play-is-hotjoins/first

Your post, in addition to your previous post, makes the whole thing laughable.

This even gives me an impression that your account is shared by 2 different people.

Divinci is a really great person but clearly fed up with the way we’ve been treated by arenanet and the general crap on the forums.

If we are to expect that someone is a great person than we should also expect the things that person says to make some sense and not be, for lack of a better word, “trolls.” Not a single post that he has made thus far is really worth a kitten I’m fine with people having opinions, that is their right as players of the game and human beings. I am not fine with a person that feels it is his right to tell people what their opinions should or should not be, or makes posts like the OP in this one. For one it makes fun of people that have difficulty with the English language (his other posts show that he is able to form coherent thoughts .) It also is in no way constructive to this game. I know we are fed up with the way the devs treat the players… But this is no way to address the issue at all.

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

The problem is not thief, the problem is some classes have no real way to deal with stealth like some other classes.
The problem of stealth mechanic is pretty broken, but truth be told, there are more things that’re more broken than stealth in pvp that is.

Fact be told, the problem is the simplistic design of the warrior V.S. the complicate design of other classes that makes warrior sub par.
Anyway, that kind of thief my ranger can handle it easily if I’m not in a middle of fighting another player.

The problem is you’re feeding a troll thread.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

That’s probably the worst warrior footage I’ve ever seen. Ever.

I’ll let you take my spot. You’re the master troll.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

how… can someone just let a thief destroy them like that?

im not even that great but i almost never get beat that badly by thieves.

lol, i play a thief and i think it’s great and fun coz people don’t ever see me that’s why i don’t waer armor

but mesmers man it’s like a 3v1 they’re all over the place and female??

After the patch, all of the thieves will re-roll to Mesmers. There will be only one class at the top sooOOOoon.

Mesmers in wvw fully maxed out were an amazing class as far as burst goes, I was killing 2-3 people in one burst at a time sometimes (holding 3 orbs).

Different than spvp, had an advantage but, this right here showed me how arenas would go…. As my burst wasn’t really on par with other classes aoe burstes.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

This is just bad gameplay to be honest, remember you engaged with 2 utilities on cooldown in a 1v1 that gives you a massive disadvantage in any matchup.
Ok here’s what you did wrong:

• 0:12 – Random dodge
• 0:14 – Useless Shield 5
• 0:16 – Good dodge, but could’ve got an attack skill off instead and dealt more damage.
• 0:27 – Missed your entire burst, 2 utilities wasted
• 0:29 – Whirling’d the wrong way
• 0:31 – Random Dodge
• 0:37 – Ignored Shadow Refuge
• 0:45 – Missed Whirling
• 0:46 – Random Dodge
• 0:54 – Random Dodge
• 1:00 – Missed Shield 4
• 1:15 – Random Dodge

I Stopped watching there, you don’t dodge correctly, just randomly press it. A lot of bad skill usage, of course you’re going to lose to a clearly superior enemy, I don’t think he’s goo either.
This is what I meant in my earlier thread of learn to dodge because this is why people think thieves are OP.

What he is doing is predicting the thief will be attacking him with his shield block, this is the best way to really prevent the thief as he will get kittened if he knows the thief is ready and doesn’t do so.

He was trying to time it for the block on the thief, and it works pretty well.

The random dodges can be seen as being used in the same way, know the thief is there but can’t see him? Get the hell out of the way, or try to dodge when you think he is about to attack, screwing up his positioning wasting his invisibility. I enjoyed the video.

It also seems like he is using whirling as a way to get himself away from an invisible character he knows is about to backstab him.

Jax.5261:

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

This is just bad gameplay to be honest, remember you engaged with 2 utilities on cooldown in a 1v1 that gives you a massive disadvantage in any matchup.
Ok here’s what you did wrong:

• 0:12 – Random dodge
• 0:14 – Useless Shield 5
• 0:16 – Good dodge, but could’ve got an attack skill off instead and dealt more damage.
• 0:27 – Missed your entire burst, 2 utilities wasted
• 0:29 – Whirling’d the wrong way
• 0:31 – Random Dodge
• 0:37 – Ignored Shadow Refuge
• 0:45 – Missed Whirling
• 0:46 – Random Dodge
• 0:54 – Random Dodge
• 1:00 – Missed Shield 4
• 1:15 – Random Dodge

I Stopped watching there, you don’t dodge correctly, just randomly press it. A lot of bad skill usage, of course you’re going to lose to a clearly superior enemy, I don’t think he’s goo either.
This is what I meant in my earlier thread of learn to dodge because this is why people think thieves are OP.

Didn’t watch the whole thing but he didn’t play terribly everything went downhill when he went for Frenzy on the pt instead of just whirling his face off.

R E F L H E X.8413:

What he is doing is predicting the thief will be attacking him with his shield block, this is the best way to really prevent the thief as he will get kittened if he knows the thief is ready and doesn’t do so.

He was trying to time it for the block on the thief, and it works pretty well.

The random dodges can be seen as being used in the same way, know the thief is there but can’t see him? Get the hell out of the way, or try to dodge when you think he is about to attack, screwing up his positioning wasting his invisibility. I enjoyed the video.

It also seems like he is using whirling as a way to get himself away from an invisible character he knows is about to backstab him.

no

Jax.5261:

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

This is just bad gameplay to be honest, remember you engaged with 2 utilities on cooldown in a 1v1 that gives you a massive disadvantage in any matchup.
Ok here’s what you did wrong:

• 0:12 – Random dodge
• 0:14 – Useless Shield 5
• 0:16 – Good dodge, but could’ve got an attack skill off instead and dealt more damage.
• 0:27 – Missed your entire burst, 2 utilities wasted
• 0:29 – Whirling’d the wrong way
• 0:31 – Random Dodge
• 0:37 – Ignored Shadow Refuge
• 0:45 – Missed Whirling
• 0:46 – Random Dodge
• 0:54 – Random Dodge
• 1:00 – Missed Shield 4
• 1:15 – Random Dodge

I Stopped watching there, you don’t dodge correctly, just randomly press it. A lot of bad skill usage, of course you’re going to lose to a clearly superior enemy, I don’t think he’s goo either.
This is what I meant in my earlier thread of learn to dodge because this is why people think thieves are OP.

oddly better than me. for me it would be
*random dodge
*random dodge
*blow all utilities and elites
*stand in front of thief and /cheer

Jax.5261:

R E F L H E X.8413:

What he is doing is predicting the thief will be attacking him with his shield block, this is the best way to really prevent the thief as he will get kittened if he knows the thief is ready and doesn’t do so.

He was trying to time it for the block on the thief, and it works pretty well.

The random dodges can be seen as being used in the same way, know the thief is there but can’t see him? Get the hell out of the way, or try to dodge when you think he is about to attack, screwing up his positioning wasting his invisibility. I enjoyed the video.

It also seems like he is using whirling as a way to get himself away from an invisible character he knows is about to backstab him.

no

Yes, I’ve prevented every single thief I’ve encountered by predicting their strikes they ONLY killed me when either….

1 – I failed to react or hit the wrong mouse button. Usually I am caught off guard here by running by an already invisible character not knowing at all.
2 – All my defensive skills were down already and then I was running and an invisible wild thief appears.

As a mesmer dieing to thiefs especially in wvw meant you played horrible in that encounter the mesmer should win 100% of the time.

I also ran mace/shield + hammer warrior and predicted them quite often then beat them with stunlocks.

Same for glass cannon ele but you only get one defensive skill that way, but killed the majority of thieves unless arcane bubble was already recharging.

alex.7950:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDRwKYTYus

thief can dps all the time….but i just only 100s and stand right here
and block all the time.
OP or not…you guys think about it.
but ANET really making gw2 pvp not fun at all, in my view.
i miss gw1 gvg.

This isn’t an example of thieves being “ermahgerd OPz”, it’s a case of you just playing badly.

Others have already made their commentary, now I’ll make mine:

0:09: “LOL THERE’S A THIEF WIT BAZLIZK VENEM, ILL JUZT APPROACH IT AN ASSUM IT WONT DO ANYTING TO ME”
0:21: Thief Shadowsteps away, guess I’m going to just stand in the same spot and allow him/her to stealth and then wait for the thief to Backstab me.
0:29: Well, I’m only going against the most mobile class in the game, I guess it won’t hurt for me to use Hundred Blades, a channeled move that keeps me in place while the thief rolls out of the way.
0:39: Random Rush, maybe you can outrun the thief! Not like it can see me or anything…
0:57: Thief attacks you from behind, instead of turning to face it, where you’ll be less vulnerable, you continue to run forward and hope that the thief has a really short attention span.
(On a side note, seeing enemies run away like this- I’ve gotten countless kills off of this tactic)
1:04: Random #2, should’ve just drawn your longsword and attacked while you were still standing next to the thief.
1:06: Random #3, would’ve been better if you had used it right after the thief had gone into stealth and you knew its approximate location. Instead, you decided to proceed from your random leap with the sword to waste a fantastic attack.
1:08: Random Rush. If you didn’t learn the first time, you’re not going to outrun a thief- not easily, anyhow. When we see a weak target, unless there’s a weaker target nearby, or a more important objective, we’re going to hunt down our prey. Third move in a row that you’ve wasted.
1:12: Start running in circles around the thief for no readily apparent reason.
1:16: Waste your number 3 again, this is ridiculous. You can’t go against a thief by running away, running around them, and using up all of your mobility with random attacks and dodges.
1:20: “Oh, I have 2.2K health left, and the thief just stealthed, looks like I better stand in place and use 100 blades and leave myself as a sitting duck!”
1:24: Your character really deserved to be stomped right here.
1:35: Random number 4, hoping that you’ll stun the thief?
1:38: Wow, you’re doing something right for once! When a thief SRs, one of the best things to do is step inside the SR and using AoEs and your auto attack. This is also one of the few appropriate times to use 100blades.
1:44: Wait, why are you running away and leaving yourself vulnerable to backstabs?
1:48: Waste your Leap again.
1:55: Proceed to walk back and forth through the thief for no good reason.

Basically, you just played against the most mobile profession in the game by leaving your back wide open to it as often as possible, wasting your mobility skills (which allow you to catch a thief who isn’t stealthed or has just Shadowstepped away), and then used 100blades at the worst times physically imaginable. One of the reasons I didn’t like warriors was because 100blades didn’t insta-kill everybody instantaneously, unlike the hype.

Funny to see all the hotjoin-thieves coming up and posting here, how good they are. I hope you understand that this whole thread is a troll.

11/10 so many bites. I don’t even…

Caffynated.5713:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I

You really don’t know how to dodge…and btw what’s the point of shield 5 just after he used his burst? Maybe try to use your skills properly instead of running to a thief with bas venom up… just rename the video into “Nab warrior spamming his stuff randomly” instead…much more realistic imo

Playing that way pretty much every glass cannon around would roflstomp you in no time if not completely retrded…

R E F L H E X.8413:

Jax.5261:

R E F L H E X.8413:

What he is doing is predicting the thief will be attacking him with his shield block, this is the best way to really prevent the thief as he will get kittened if he knows the thief is ready and doesn’t do so.

He was trying to time it for the block on the thief, and it works pretty well.

The random dodges can be seen as being used in the same way, know the thief is there but can’t see him? Get the hell out of the way, or try to dodge when you think he is about to attack, screwing up his positioning wasting his invisibility. I enjoyed the video.

It also seems like he is using whirling as a way to get himself away from an invisible character he knows is about to backstab him.

no

Yes, I’ve prevented every single thief I’ve encountered by predicting their strikes they ONLY killed me when either….

1 – I failed to react or hit the wrong mouse button. Usually I am caught off guard here by running by an already invisible character not knowing at all.
2 – All my defensive skills were down already and then I was running and an invisible wild thief appears.

As a mesmer dieing to thiefs especially in wvw meant you played horrible in that encounter the mesmer should win 100% of the time.

I also ran mace/shield + hammer warrior and predicted them quite often then beat them with stunlocks.

Same for glass cannon ele but you only get one defensive skill that way, but killed the majority of thieves unless arcane bubble was already recharging.

Then you’re playing against bad theives.

Thief have:

• stealth
• big damage
• low hp
• low healing

Mesmer:

• Stealth
• Stuns / dazes
• LOTS OF DAMAGE ( illusory berserker like full glass cannon GS warrior )
• Their utilities are extremely useful, and also stun breakers? on really low cool down
• x2 invulnerability
• Confusion
• Infinite illusions
• Teleports
• Push
• Pulls
• Long range strong attacks that hit almost instantly without givin a chance to dodge.
• Short cd heal
• short cd immobilize / cripple
• Reflects
• OP Elites ( Moa / Tw )

All in 1 build!

so.. who’s OP ?

google.3709:

Thief have:

• stealth
• big damage
• low hp
• low healing

Mesmer:

• Stealth
• Stuns / dazes
• LOTS OF DAMAGE ( illusory berserker like full glass cannon GS warrior )
• Their utilities are extremely useful, and also stun breakers? on really low cool down
• x2 invulnerability
• Confusion
• Infinite illusions
• Teleports
• Push
• Pulls
• Long range strong attacks that hit almost instantly without givin a chance to dodge.
• Short cd heal
• short cd immobilize / cripple
• Reflects
• OP Elites ( Moa / Tw )

All in 1 build!

so.. who’s OP ?

All in one build? God people are stupid. If we have the 2 teleports we don’t have the the crazy push/pull (unless running focus but then its just 1). Engineers have better access to longer lasting confusion. We may get 3seconds of stealth every 30+ seconds but our stun breaker’s really don’t do anything else for us (ele cantrips however long CD and invuln or stability or teleport. Stun breakers that do more but that is why they are on longer c/ds). The iZerker really doesn’t hit for anything right now it got bugged out in the last patch. Which you would know if you weren’t a moron. Our short c/d cripple-immob is one of the buggiest skills in the game. Anet has stated this they have also said they can’t really do anything about it. The only way we can get a stun w/o going into a GM tree (which would prevent deceptive evasion or IP) is a signet that is only really good for the stun and a mantra or pistol. Thieves also get spammable dazes/stuns with a S/P combo… Forgot to mention that buddy. And we can not use moa or kitten the same time… And moa is very situational and if you bring it to a match your team should pimp smack you. Get your facts straight on classes before you go on making claims about OPness.

jportell.2197:

google.3709:

Thief have:

• stealth
• big damage
• low hp
• low healing

Mesmer:

• Stealth
• Stuns / dazes
• LOTS OF DAMAGE ( illusory berserker like full glass cannon GS warrior )
• Their utilities are extremely useful, and also stun breakers? on really low cool down
• x2 invulnerability
• Confusion
• Infinite illusions
• Teleports
• Push
• Pulls
• Long range strong attacks that hit almost instantly without givin a chance to dodge.
• Short cd heal
• short cd immobilize / cripple
• Reflects
• OP Elites ( Moa / Tw )

All in 1 build!

so.. who’s OP ?

All in one build? God people are stupid. If we have the 2 teleports we don’t have the the crazy push/pull (unless running focus but then its just 1). Engineers have better access to longer lasting confusion. We may get 3seconds of stealth every 30+ seconds but our stun breaker’s really don’t do anything else for us (ele cantrips however long CD and invuln or stability or teleport. Stun breakers that do more but that is why they are on longer c/ds). The iZerker really doesn’t hit for anything right now it got bugged out in the last patch. Which you would know if you weren’t a moron. Our short c/d cripple-immob is one of the buggiest skills in the game. Anet has stated this they have also said they can’t really do anything about it. The only way we can get a stun w/o going into a GM tree (which would prevent deceptive evasion or IP) is a signet that is only really good for the stun and a mantra or pistol. Thieves also get spammable dazes/stuns with a S/P combo… Forgot to mention that buddy. And we can not use moa or kitten the same time… And moa is very situational and if you bring it to a match your team should pimp smack you. Get your facts straight on classes before you go on making claims about OPness.

So you acknowledge everything he said we correct. And the berzerker is like whirlwind if a hit misses it does less damage. All of those things can be in one build. GS, sword focus, decoy, mirror images

jportell.2197:

google.3709:

Thief have:

• stealth
• big damage
• low hp
• low healing

Mesmer:

• Stealth
• Stuns / dazes
• LOTS OF DAMAGE ( illusory berserker like full glass cannon GS warrior )
• Their utilities are extremely useful, and also stun breakers? on really low cool down
• x2 invulnerability
• Confusion
• Infinite illusions
• Teleports
• Push
• Pulls
• Long range strong attacks that hit almost instantly without givin a chance to dodge.
• Short cd heal
• short cd immobilize / cripple
• Reflects
• OP Elites ( Moa / Tw )

All in 1 build!

so.. who’s OP ?

All in one build? God people are stupid. If we have the 2 teleports we don’t have the the crazy push/pull (unless running focus but then its just 1). Engineers have better access to longer lasting confusion. We may get 3seconds of stealth every 30+ seconds but our stun breaker’s really don’t do anything else for us (ele cantrips however long CD and invuln or stability or teleport. Stun breakers that do more but that is why they are on longer c/ds). The iZerker really doesn’t hit for anything right now it got bugged out in the last patch. Which you would know if you weren’t a moron. Our short c/d cripple-immob is one of the buggiest skills in the game. Anet has stated this they have also said they can’t really do anything about it. The only way we can get a stun w/o going into a GM tree (which would prevent deceptive evasion or IP) is a signet that is only really good for the stun and a mantra or pistol. Thieves also get spammable dazes/stuns with a S/P combo… Forgot to mention that buddy. And we can not use moa or kitten the same time… And moa is very situational and if you bring it to a match your team should pimp smack you. Get your facts straight on classes before you go on making claims about OPness.

• illusionary leap counts as a teleport and most mesmer run decoy, mirror and blink on sPvP and leap works perfectly fine on even terrain and illusion still remains..

• Engineers can spike confusion for sure, but Mesmer can keep it on you 100% of the time by simply letting illusions die ? and use cry of frustration to spike it

• you’re comparing to the best class ingame ? try to find skills like that in other classes

• i kept gettin hit by 7k’s by iberserker last night on tourneys , maybe its your build ?

• Theif’s daze has a tiny damage and uses high initiative, if they want to rupt you, they can’t spam heart-seeker lol so they don’t rupt, and when was the last time you saw a pistol whip thief after nerf :S

• Moa is one of the strongest elites, capable of easily shutting down bunkers and tough enemies :S

Troll thread 0/10

Look at the op other posts he doesn’t type like that in his other posts

I honestly do not know what’s funnier, OPs engrish trollin or google’s imaginary mesmer build. I want it.

mongolianmisfit.8350:

I honestly do not know what’s funnier, OPs engrish trollin or google’s imaginary mesmer build. I want it.

maybe stun/pull/2nd stealth might overlap on the offhand, but are you gonna tell you you can’t do any of the other stuff with gs / sword? lol