Guild Wars 2

I just wanted to ask you guys about this. What are your thoughts on condi mesmers?

I know the focus of OP is on DD Cele at the moment, and rightly so, but this is one hell of a braindead spec right here.

Super safe to play, and even thought may not be that great in high level coordinated pvp, its utter cancer mode in WvW.

In www is the supreme cancer.

Half of the map in stealth, combination of block /invulnerability, stealth/blind with counter conditions.

I play it sometimes and the real focus is to win 1vs2 or 1vs3.

1vs1 is too easy, just necro can create some troubles or Ele diamond skin (just leave).

In spvp is good like far attacker (or in general node attacker) in random queue, where not always good eles (or necro) can defend every nodes. In every case, it makes a huge condi pressure on thief, mesmer power, engi, warrior marauder if there is not enough condi cleanse around.

Is is actually very well vaible for PvP also if u run Inspiration and not Chaos line for PU like in wvw. The only thing you should know is how to rotate based on where the enemy “cleansers” are on the map. But even if u braindead push far and perma force 2v1s and win all your duels (cuz cndi mes has a solid performance in any 1v1 scenario atm) you will guarantee your team lot of points. Not to mention how annoying u can be with good stealth/portals.
I personally like it btw, regardless ppl not running it.
oh and Diamond skin ele cant counter it : P

Yeah, in general has a low skill cap and too much effective for how easy is to play it.

The chronomancer version is also super effective with condis.

PU is the main source of issues but in general the ratio survivability/condis pressure is not well balanced.

I just had a game where the guy simply spammed clones and dodges. I think the only attack he actually used on me was the scepter auto and the confusion channel. I simply could not keep up with the cleanses. OFC I was not on a DD ele or bunk guard, i was on a 00666 WS marauder ranger. Having said that, I faced a similar problem with my warrior. Conditions just come out so fast and seemingly without any effort on the mesmers part. Also, I cant seem to counter pressure due to blinds and the defensive boons/disengage options the mesmer normally has.

I know that the actual counter is to rotate better and/or be near a natural cleanser like a bunker guard or DD Cele and unless we see Condi mesmers be on competitive teams the spec is not considered top tier, but considering the effectiveness of what seems to be very safe and passive play, I am of the opinion that it should receive a balance pass, if only the PU trait.

Too much damage output,and sustain,for too little player input.

Condi mesmer is viable, however if you run scepter you pretty much in a skirmishing build, and are not very useful anywhere outside of a 1v1 scenario. However there are variations of condition mesmer that don’t get carried by pu and vamp runes that are more than viable imo.

Countless

If all he did was sceptre auto then stand there doing /laugh and don’t run. When he uses the beam dodge. Begin to /laugh.

For advanced users get one of your DD eles to come help kill him or simply burst onto him.

Save cleanses for stacks over 5.

Dodge shatters just like with all mesmers.

This build is super easy to kill in PvP. I run interrupt mesmer, bunker guard, power necro and DD eles and have had 0 problems and my mesmer has 0 condi removal.

How effective you’re in a teamfight depends on how many aoe condis cleanse there are involved or how many condis cleanse have a specific build.

Ofc if you face combination like shout war/bunker guardian + ele you’re almost useless but if you face engi + thief or in general not great condis cleanse you have greate chance to be effective.

It depends on enemy team composition most of all, for this reason in random queue, where team is not optimized, you can do well.

And this is the reason why you don’t see this spec in high tournament levels.

In general is not well balanced, considering other game mode, WWW especially.

wvw should never be used as argument in a balance discussion full stop
its not even competitive to begin with most coverage wins.

It takes no skill to play but d/d ele beats it.

Mesmer has zero builds that take skill to play.

dd ele doesnt beat inspiration condi mesmer. burn is not enough to kill it, only real condi bombs. all you can achieve is a tie at most.

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Is is actually very well vaible for PvP also if u run Inspiration and not Chaos line for PU like in wvw. The only thing you should know is how to rotate based on where the enemy “cleansers” are on the map. But even if u braindead push far and perma force 2v1s and win all your duels (cuz cndi mes has a solid performance in any 1v1 scenario atm) you will guarantee your team lot of points. Not to mention how annoying u can be with good stealth/portals.
I personally like it btw, regardless ppl not running it.
oh and Diamond skin ele cant counter it : P

I can confirm that you need to be very, very careful with Diamond Skin. Leeching ignores armor or protection, and the scepter beams deal a ridiculous amount of base damage. A Diamond Skin Elementalist will eventually run out of defensive mechanism or will miss the unpredictable stealth opening and get 8 stacks on confusion randomly.