So I will start off this thread by saying my main is a Warrior. I do not play sPvP that much but I have spent a large amount of time on these forums and watching streams of PvP.
Here are my thoughts on the Warriors new Mace/Shield build
What it brings
This new build is a very strong dueling build. You can do very well 1v1 with it when you know what you are doing.
This is the first viable build I have seen that’s success does not depend on your team helping you and the opponents playing poorly.
Skill required to use this build is low enough that people who do not usually sPvP have a chance now on their Warrior
Why people think it is OP
Warriors have not been seen at large in sPvP and were previously free kills
Warriors are the first to bring a good stunning build to sPvP
People are not using builds to counter the Stunning capabilities of this build
People do not have enough experience fighting a Stunning build to know when to pop Stun Breaks
I believe that people complaining about it being OP is completely caused by the first two points. Warriors have not been seen a lot in sPvP and when they game back they game back with a build people hadn’t dealt with before.
Kind of like a heartbeat with the beat being Warriors return to sPvP after a long flatline
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imo it all depends on the player behind it. Most warriors I have encountered are bad players / have bad builds / are clueless…
BUT however i have met, played with and against some very good warrior players that put up a hell of a fight and most of the times win, so again IMO what is wrong with the warrior is not JUST a matter of being under powerd but badly played.
I do not play one so give me a brake here but could it be the case that it has a high learning curve and needs some brains and practice to master?!
Apart from this i DO thing that they need some love…
How much love do they need? They can stunlock you forever, have good condi removal, selfhealing, and large hp pool.
They’re slowly becoming the new necro, aoe spam → cc spam.
Warriors arent op but that stun lock build is bad gameplay plain and simple and another typical lazy A-net type fix. Every PVP MMORPG I have played before started out with some kind of stun lock type build at release and quickly nerfed it out of existence. A-net think this is something to add to a game mid course to buff a class. I know there is nothing more fun then to be stunned over and over again until dead. Not! A-net loves it CC. Its somehow justified because of dodges and stun breaks. Maybe if everyone had three stun breaks. Most people run 1.
Why people think it is OP
•Necromancers have not been seen at large in sPvP and were previously free kills
•Necromancers are the first to bring good condition builds to sPvP
•People are not using builds to counter the condition capabilities of this build
•People do not have enough experience fighting a condition build to know when to pop cleanses
Warriors arent op but that stun lock build is bad gameplay plain and simple and another typical lazy A-net type fix. Every PVP MMORPG I have played before started out with some kind of stun lock type build at release and quickly nerfed it out of existence. A-net think this is something to add to a game mid course to buff a class. I know there is nothing more fun then to be stunned over and over again until dead. Not! A-net loves it CC. Its somehow justified because of dodges and stun breaks. Maybe if everyone had three stun breaks. Most people run 1.
You do know that this build has been around for ages, right? The buff to Skull Crack came many months ago… it’s just that people are finally starting to notice. Don’t wanna get stunlocked? Stay out of melee, watch for a mace, bring stun-breakers/stability. Warrior: Countered. It’s EXACTLY like people complaining that necros are OP because they have heavy condi. application and don’t bring the appropriate tools to deal with it (condi-removal/prevention). You know how many Rangers with Longbows/Shortbows I’ve hit with Skull Crack? Hint: I can count that number in the most warrior-esque way possible; with my FIST.
How much love do they need? They can stunlock you forever, have good condi removal, selfhealing, and large hp pool.
They’re slowly becoming the new necro, aoe spam -> cc spam.
Pretty much means you shouldn’t have made this thread.
So because I have some experience in game with this build and have watched many streams of sPvP and spectated on games that involve this build my opinion is invalid?
I never said something needs to change or that it is not OP. I only said what I thought it brought to the team and why I believe others see it as OP.
I guess you don’t like discussions
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Why people think it is OP
•Necromancers have not been seen at large in sPvP and were previously free kills
•Necromancers are the first to bring good condition builds to sPvP
•People are not using builds to counter the condition capabilities of this build
•People do not have enough experience fighting a condition build to know when to pop cleanses
Some said it was cheesy, but I think most warriors just “moaned” a bit: they aknowleged the fact Cleansing Ire was mandatory (I think many didn’t like the idea of being forced to get 20 points in defense because of the changed meta, even if they were grateful they had a way to counter it)… and dusted off maces and hammers.XD
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Warriors arent op but that stun lock build is bad gameplay plain and simple and another typical lazy A-net type fix. Every PVP MMORPG I have played before started out with some kind of stun lock type build at release and quickly nerfed it out of existence. A-net think this is something to add to a game mid course to buff a class. I know there is nothing more fun then to be stunned over and over again until dead. Not! A-net loves it CC. Its somehow justified because of dodges and stun breaks. Maybe if everyone had three stun breaks. Most people run 1.
It’s actually the only thing we do MUCH better than others.
It’s not like the other MMORPGs: cc is a tanky business.XD
And… do you think to counter a build you should be able to completely NEGATE it?
Nobody asked for a set of traits/skills able to make you reduce condition duration or direct damage by 80%.
By countering it it means you have to be able to be hit by a 4 second stun and not being wiped out.
Thus you won’t be able to survive with just active skills while building full glassy. You need some effects while cc’d (as engi), or ways to teleport (as mesmer/thief) while stunned or ways to counter-cc the warrior (ranger). With ele you can use protection, and I saw some necros using DS to negate 100blades. There are many ways to do it.
You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…
Pretty much means you shouldn’t have made this thread.
So because I have some experience in game with this build and have watched many streams of sPvP and spectated on games that involve this build my opinion is invalid?
I never said something needs to change or that it is not OP. I only said what I thought it brought to the team and why I believe others see it as OP.
I guess you don’t like discussions
I dislike discussions because there are already several threads on this topic and I’ve seen A-net balance based on the whining of the forums before (Eviscerate, Bulls+Frenzy+100b anyone?) when the issue was simply people needing to L2P.
The more threads needlessly started on this topic the higher the chance A-net does some more coddling of the whiners and nerfs what isn’t broken.
Nah long bow s/s is strong it just doesn’t shine because necro and engi aoe dps is over the top and it’s almost impossible to get a read on any other class because of it.
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Without any doubt warrior is viable. People are just figuring it out on EU imo. More and more warriors will be seen because its really strong especially with healing signet.
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Warriors are still garbage, sure, they can annoy you with a lot of stun, but they are still under par compared to any other profession.
Since the last two patches this is certainly not the case anymore.
We have obtained a lot of condi removal, improved healing skills and the new zerker stance is amazing in the current meta. Warrior is the only class currently that I can happily use to walk all over a necro in under 10secs.
The reason many teams are not using them is due to that prejudice that has been associated with Warriors for the last 9 or so months. Not because warrior still sucks.
Stun build is nothing when other people have stability, guardian(almost every team will have one), push back, blink, invul, knock down, daze, stun, block, blind.
i mean sure, it can be good in 1v1 or anything, but in 5v5 fights i find stun build hardly viable, only if your team build around it. or it might be that im just bad with stun builds
The viable build was zerker leg GS/LB, too bad, they nerfed it to the ground even tho it was probably one of the builds that’s most close to viable. irony is that, people still use this build even tho they nerfed it to the bottom ground, means that how bad how unviable most of other warrior builds still are
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
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Warriors are still garbage, sure, they can annoy you with a lot of stun, but they are still under par compared to any other profession.
Since the last two patches this is certainly not the case anymore.
We have obtained a lot of condi removal, improved healing skills and the new zerker stance is amazing in the current meta. Warrior is the only class currently that I can happily use to walk all over a necro in under 10secs.
The reason many teams are not using them is due to that prejudice that has been associated with Warriors for the last 9 or so months. Not because warrior still sucks.
Tell me more when teams adapted necros so fast with like 2 of them in one team in streams. right after the patch launched
“i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??”
“berserker stance clears all CC on you and you’re still immune to CC for 8 seconds”
-Excalibur.9748
I’m glad to finally see some warriors in sPvP! Give them more viable builds, because they have been in the shadows for way too long. I mean, they’re warriors, not thieves!
