Guild Wars 2

I just want to say thank you!
The ranking system really had to be changed.

Since the introduction of skyhammer rank became more and more meaningless.
As a result it can’t measure skill or time spent anymore.
So I compliment arenanet for going this route,
it’s definitly a better approach thn removing rank all together.

(Improvement: please make the rank emote
/rank display the rank you have selected in your hero panel
otherwise you can’t use the finisher you worked for)

From now on please focus on balance patches and some decent matchmaking.
Looking forward to the season!

I thank them for making pvp far more accessible, understandable and valuable to the causal player who might enjoy PvE or WvW but has not really found any reason to PvP. Now they will have amble reason to join a few fights and that is exactly the breathe of fresh air that was needed.

As much as i agree that they had to lower the max rank, they lowered it too much. Instead of cutting the total max rank point by 80 %, i would more like to have it on 50 %. Meaning +-3.5 mil rank points, not 1 mill.

To be honest they can make a lot more out of the seasons.
I feel way better to be top 25 and be rewarded for being a top contender
than grinding skyhammer after skyhammer while watching some television.

Yup, now when new player picks up GW2 and will want to PVP for dragon finisher it will take him like half year of casual play to get max rank which is much more reasonable than 1.5 years of korean grindfest for rank 70
Max rank is something every PVPer wants to achieve, and beeing able to get to a new rank once a week will bring fresh meat for me to kill.

Leeto.1570:

Yup, now when new player picks up GW2 and will want to PVP for dragon finisher it will take him like half year of casual play to get max rank which is much more reasonable than 1.5 years of korean grindfest for rank 70
Max rank is something every PVPer wants to achieve, and beeing able to get to a new rank once a week will bring fresh meat for me to kill.

yea all the new players will unlock everything in pvp in 2 or 3 months playing casually and leave cause there’s nothing else to do, how is that better in the long run? people wanted to get to high ranks because it was sort of an achievement, but who cares when it’s so easy now.

The thing with PvP is, in every game getting max rank is difficult, difficulty means time consuming. Casual players are not meant to have that high end goal. That kind of cherry should only be meant for hardcore members. That is there reward. Casuals will still have there reward through those skins they will be able to get in this new patch. But for the love of god, give some goals to hardcore players also.

Boika.5367:

The thing with PvP is, in every game getting max rank is difficult, difficulty means time consuming. Casual players are not meant to have that high end goal. That kind of cherry should only be meant for hardcore members. That is there reward. Casuals will still have there reward through those skins they will be able to get in this new patch. But for the love of god, give some goals to hardcore players also.

don’t worry you’ll get some pve loot bags after you’re handed a dragon rank, and then maybe after a week of pvp you’ll get as much crafting materials as a champion farmer gets in a day. and after a year of pvp maybe you’ll have enough to craft a legendary.

Barret.4095:

Boika.5367:

The thing with PvP is, in every game getting max rank is difficult, difficulty means time consuming. Casual players are not meant to have that high end goal. That kind of cherry should only be meant for hardcore members. That is there reward. Casuals will still have there reward through those skins they will be able to get in this new patch. But for the love of god, give some goals to hardcore players also.

don’t worry you’ll get some pve loot bags after you’re handed a dragon rank, and then maybe after a week of pvp you’ll get as much crafting materials as a champion farmer gets in a day. and after a year of pvp maybe you’ll have enough to craft a legendary.

Well yeah, that’s where the problem is indeed. They removed long term goal and gave us the reward that dedicated pvp players do not care about, except maybe those new skins. It’s fine by me that they give us those new rewards, heck it was even needed but making the ultimate reward so easy to obtain, is a big turn off :c

I LOVE THE CHANGES, AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!

Boika.5367:

rank is difficult, difficulty means time consuming

lol ye words of a true PVPer.
What was more difficult, farming the rank or actually playing so many PVP games without getting on leaderboards?
I think i have listened enough to PVErs whining about how their grinding isnt rewarded and how they wont be able to pretend that they are good at PVP when ranks get nerfed.

Barret.4095:

Boika.5367:

The thing with PvP is, in every game getting max rank is difficult, difficulty means time consuming. Casual players are not meant to have that high end goal. That kind of cherry should only be meant for hardcore members. That is there reward. Casuals will still have there reward through those skins they will be able to get in this new patch. But for the love of god, give some goals to hardcore players also.

don’t worry you’ll get some pve loot bags after you’re handed a dragon rank, and then maybe after a week of pvp you’ll get as much crafting materials as a champion farmer gets in a day. and after a year of pvp maybe you’ll have enough to craft a legendary.

Oh, but it doesn’t stop at the year. You get to spend the next week doing map completion—well month if you have a life.

What I’ve been thinking about more and more, if rank 55+ are getting bumped to rank 80. How high will rank 35 get bumped? What about rank 2. Will current rank 2 players get bumped to 30? Because while 30 is easy to get (skyhammer) it still splits the people who have tried a bit from those who haven’t and so on.

Benjamin.8237:

What I’ve been thinking about more and more, if rank 55+ are getting bumped to rank 80. How high will rank 35 get bumped? What about rank 2. Will current rank 2 players get bumped to 30? Because while 30 is easy to get (skyhammer) it still splits the people who have tried a bit from those who haven’t and so on.

The bumping starts after rank 39.

rank obtaning should be 50% less max…let the casual pve/wvwer stay out of this…it’s what made gw1 so good and last for years…casual players will hop to any newly released game and should stop destroying good games…I mean why do you even care…you’re casuals…go somewhere else baddies XD

they had no problem grinding for their shiny legy wep’s…now they finally figured out there is something much muchcooler than a legy and they want it too…but wait this actually takes skill anddedication to obtain??? ANET PLS NERF..MAKE IT EZ CAUSE I WANT IT TOO BUT I’M SO BAD AND WILL NEVER GET IT……

Boika.5367:

As much as i agree that they had to lower the max rank, they lowered it too much. Instead of cutting the total max rank point by 80 %, i would more like to have it on 50 %. Meaning +-3.5 mil rank points, not 1 mill.

As OP said, rank is meaningless enough (can’t measure skill or even time spent playing matches to any accurate level), and what it’s going to be set to will allow someone to get to 80 after… say about 6 months of only doing soloq for 4/4 dailies? It’s an achievable, medium-term goal, and they’re some of the best ways to bring people in to PvP.

Hopefully we’ll get some great prestige skins to work for, along with shiny titles and of course ladder/league positions that aren’t as easily manipulated as the current system – but the rank change is a pretty decent one for now, and will certainly encourage more players to play at least semi-regularly if they can see themselves gaining a rank with less than two months of gameplay.

you don’t deserve rank in 2 month’s of casual play…dedication is what should be rewarded

besides do you need reward for everything? if you can’t do it…or don’t want to invest time/dedication to something…you won’t have it…and yes there is a HUGE difference between rank1-30 players and rank 50+! stop lying to yourself to make yourself feel better….A HUGE DIFFERENCE

Darksteel.8412:

you don’t deserve rank in 2 month’s of casual play…dedication is what should be rewarded

And it will – but the rank system, as it is now, is not any real indication of skill or dedication to anything apart from Skyhammer farming. It will forever be tainted with “pff skyfarmer more n00b”. Would you mind explaining what an sPvP rank means to you? Why does your rank make you feel warm and happy inside? Do you really feel that superior to someone a few ranks below you?
Maybe a more interesting question is, do you feel inferior to someone a few ranks above you?

Darksteel.8412:

besides do you need reward for everything? if you can’t do it…or don’t want to invest time/dedication to something…you won’t have it…and yes there is a HUGE difference between rank1-30 players and rank 50+! stop lying to yourself to make yourself feel better….A HUGE DIFFERENCE

But as has been said, rank right now doesn’t mean that a player necessarily invested time/dedication to PvP – they could well have instead invested their time in farming Skyhammer. Unless you did this yourself, and are desperate to make your meaningless farmed ranks sound important, why would you not instead look forward to a better system like ladders and leagues, and let go of rank as anything more than “I was there back in the day”?

re: rank difference meaning skill difference – yes, this is largely true. I’d much rather have 4 r50 players on my soloq team than a spread of r19, r25, r35, r60, because I can probably trust the r50s to know their own professions, other professions, and general tactics better than those far below them. This doesn’t mean that some other system couldn’t represent relative skill levels much more accurately, and give us altogether fairer and more fun matchups.

This is why bringing what you’d probably call the “filthy casuals” into PvP, with the availability of short-to-mid-term rewards, is a good thing:
- more players trying it out (for short-term rewards)
- means more players sticking around (for a combination of fun and medium-long term rewards)
- means a higher population at all skill levels
We can get much more varied (due to not always playing within a tiny pool of players) and balanced (due to not playing in a tiny group of players of varying abilities) games from this. Maybe someday it’ll even be possible to get <5 minute queues outside of EU prime time!

Don’t worry, there will still be long-term goals that you can aim towards and be all elitist about, and someone just doing PvP for their dailies isn’t going to get them in a couple of months’ play – but you seem to be really quite bothered that the old, inferior system is getting phased out.
Are you sure you didn’t just farm your way to whatever rank you are?

cheese.4739:

Darksteel.8412:

you don’t deserve rank in 2 month’s of casual play…dedication is what should be rewarded

And it will – but the rank system, as it is now, is not any real indication of skill or dedication to anything apart from Skyhammer farming. It will forever be tainted with “pff skyfarmer more n00b”. Would you mind explaining what an sPvP rank means to you? Why does your rank make you feel warm and happy inside? Do you really feel that superior to someone a few ranks below you?
Maybe a more interesting question is, do you feel inferior to someone a few ranks above you?

Darksteel.8412:

besides do you need reward for everything? if you can’t do it…or don’t want to invest time/dedication to something…you won’t have it…and yes there is a HUGE difference between rank1-30 players and rank 50+! stop lying to yourself to make yourself feel better….A HUGE DIFFERENCE

But as has been said, rank right now doesn’t mean that a player necessarily invested time/dedication to PvP – they could well have instead invested their time in farming Skyhammer. Unless you did this yourself, and are desperate to make your meaningless farmed ranks sound important, why would you not instead look forward to a better system like ladders and leagues, and let go of rank as anything more than “I was there back in the day”?

re: rank difference meaning skill difference – yes, this is largely true. I’d much rather have 4 r50 players on my soloq team than a spread of r19, r25, r35, r60, because I can probably trust the r50s to know their own professions, other professions, and general tactics better than those far below them. This doesn’t mean that some other system couldn’t represent relative skill levels much more accurately, and give us altogether fairer and more fun matchups.

This is why bringing what you’d probably call the “filthy casuals” into PvP, with the availability of short-to-mid-term rewards, is a good thing:
- more players trying it out (for short-term rewards)
- means more players sticking around (for a combination of fun and medium-long term rewards)
- means a higher population at all skill levels
We can get much more varied (due to not always playing within a tiny pool of players) and balanced (due to not playing in a tiny group of players of varying abilities) games from this. Maybe someday it’ll even be possible to get <5 minute queues outside of EU prime time!

Don’t worry, there will still be long-term goals that you can aim towards and be all elitist about, and someone just doing PvP for their dailies isn’t going to get them in a couple of months’ play – but you seem to be really quite bothered that the old, inferior system is getting phased out.
Are you sure you didn’t just farm your way to whatever rank you are?

I think you care too much about this so-called “farming”. It happened sure, but the few people who did it are insignificant. Most stopped at r50 after gettting their bear ranks. And the really high rank players were well past r55 even before skyhammer.

bhagwad.4281:

I think you care too much about this so-called "farming". It happened sure, but the few people who did it are insignificant. Most stopped at r50 after gettting their bear ranks. And the really high rank players were well past r55 even before skyhammer.

Oh, no, I don’t really give a kitten about the people who farmed it - but the ranks really aren’t any meaningful indication of skill or ability, whether farmed or just gotten through the grind. This is especially true when they’re account-bound - so you’ll get, for example, someone with r50, and they’re really good... then they swap away from the Guard they’ve played all their games on and need to be carried through every game.

The finishers are cool to have, sure - I’m glad I’ve personally managed to get Bear with about 8 months’ play, just in time for the changes - but I’d still like to have other things to aim for, like a good ladder position... targets based on how well you play rather than how much you play, compared to others.

At any rate, there would have to be such longer-term goals for everyone eventually - or do you really expect players to be satisfied when they hit 80, and not expect anything further to aim for that they can show off? Making higher ranks harder to achieve would only be putting off the inevitable, and make it look like the devs were just trying not to have to think up more interesting rewards yet.

Darksteel.8412:

you don’t deserve rank in 2 month’s of casual play…dedication is what should be rewarded

you don’t get r80 in “2 months of casual play”. granted I am more casual than the average casual, but i’ve been playing casually since the start of this year and am r23. at this rate it’ll be about ten years before i am r80, assuming my casual self doesn’t find something better to do with my time.

‘the hardcore pvp’ crowd really need to calm down.

applecup.3047:

Darksteel.8412:

you don’t deserve rank in 2 month’s of casual play…dedication is what should be rewarded

you don’t get r80 in “2 months of casual play”. granted I am more casual than the average casual, but i’ve been playing casually since the start of this year and am r23. at this rate it’ll be about ten years before i am r80, assuming my casual self doesn’t find something better to do with my time.

‘the hardcore pvp’ crowd really need to calm down.

10 years? If you do the math it will take about 360 hours to go from 1-80 assuming roughly a 50% winrate in yolo Q’s.

cheese.4739:

but I’d still like to have other things to aim for, like a good ladder position… targets based on how well you play rather than how much you play, compared to others.

There is no reason in the world why we can’t have both. And this is what I’ve been saying all along. Fine, have “skill” based systems if you want. But you can have other metrics and titles as well.

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

the changes are good, but i hope they compromise the rank 70+ players a lil bit more rewards or same at least as others. other than that i think the changes are awesome.

Now if we just have the matchmaking system take into account classes all our problems will be solved…

Swim.6830:

Now if we just have the matchmaking system take into account classes all our problems will be solved…

They said they’ll eventually implement that.

It’s not that I feel elitist, but I and some others chose to do this part of the game and not get a legendary wep and loads of other stuff, cause we choose to go pvp and get a nice banner… that’s a timewaste for us: again there is a huge differene in quality of play of rank 50+ and the lower ones especiallt rank 1-28ish, these players will get shark+ banners in no time cause drastically lower the rank points need and upscaling rank points on and probably lost matches….this mean cause of jealousy or something people want it changed cause they suck and chose the wrong path of gw or so to speak…. jealousy

Nary Why Irk.8150:

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

Nary Nary Nary :

1) playing only skyhammer maps in hotjoin with a cc engi
2) farming skyhammer

are not “hard work”. Besides, this is a game, it’s not work.

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

Nary Nary Nary :

1) playing only skyhammer maps in hotjoin with a cc engi
2) farming skyhammer

are not “hard work”. Besides, this is a game, it’s not work.

You have to prove that a majority of high rankers are sky hammer farmers. Unless Anet breaks out the numbers, we have to assume they’re insignificant and not worth consideration.

The whole “skyhammer” issue has turned into a convenient justification for misplaced egalitarianism.

Skyhammer doesn’t even matter anymore, as the rank reward has been increased greatly and the rank point req. for each rank will be lowered. Dragons will be the new bambi.
Stop caring about it.

We need those ladders/seasons asap + pvp exclusive reward tracks that reward SKILL (or atleast not hotjoin/CA).

and the best solution would be than to keep the ranks of players they are now, and remove them…and than the skyhammer farmers leave and introduce a new finisher or zaishen rank for all I care…jealousy

I mean..it was pve-ers anyway who wanted the private farming server in the first place…if you realy like pvp you will not be able to like this nerf

bhagwad.4281:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

Nary Nary Nary :

1) playing only skyhammer maps in hotjoin with a cc engi
2) farming skyhammer

are not “hard work”. Besides, this is a game, it’s not work.

You have to prove that a majority of high rankers are sky hammer farmers. Unless Anet breaks out the numbers, we have to assume they’re insignificant and not worth consideration.

The whole “skyhammer” issue has turned into a convenient justification for misplaced egalitarianism.

I’m sorry I wasn’t clear. Most high rank players are not skyhammer farmers. Nary is one though, and when skyhammer farming got “nerfed”, he decided to play skyhammer hotjoin with a cc decap engi instead. Therefore he can’t pretend to deserve anything imo. I was only referring to him.

see..it’s pve jealousy…rhymes too

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

Nary Nary Nary :

1) playing only skyhammer maps in hotjoin with a cc engi
2) farming skyhammer

are not “hard work”. Besides, this is a game, it’s not work.

Get on Solo Q leaderboards and watch my rating, scrub.
Being top 5 Europe Solo Q is hard work Mr. Flamer

You only play decap engi so I doubt the gameplay is that hard to master. It seems I have yet to repeat myself : a game is not work.

You can pretend you’re not a skyhammer farmer who then moved on to only playing cc engi on skyhammer HJ but it doesn’t change the fact that we know it to be true.

This is hardly the matter of the thread so if you please, let us stay on topic.

Nary: okay you’re defending playing decap, do that if you want...
But if you’re only going to log into soloq once every couple of weeks to maintain your rank (http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Nary-Why-Irk8150), you’re exploiting the MMR system and really ought to shut up about your ’l33t skillz’. The only character on your soloq or teamq records, since January? "Bombing Technology".

Yeah you totally don’t main decap in PvP. We believe you.

If you can’t keep a frontpage leaderboard position by playing regularly, we all have every right to judge you. Go hotjoin more.

bhagwad.4281:

Uhtameit.2413:

Nary Why Irk.8150:

it sucks to see everyone getting dragon when others have worked hard for it.
It sucks to see r55+ players lose their excess rank points in order to get on the same boat that less dedicated players.
It sucks to be getting less rewards than pver´s and less ranked players.

Nary Nary Nary :

1) playing only skyhammer maps in hotjoin with a cc engi
2) farming skyhammer

are not “hard work”. Besides, this is a game, it’s not work.

You have to prove that a majority of high rankers are sky hammer farmers. Unless Anet breaks out the numbers, we have to assume they’re insignificant and not worth consideration.

The whole “skyhammer” issue has turned into a convenient justification for misplaced egalitarianism.

Nary is a self admitted skyhammer farmer and a decap engineer at that. yes not all high rank are skyhammer farmer only some.