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Posted by: Menzies The Heretic.3415

Menzies The Heretic.3415

Question: Why do we want to have “backstab thieves, burst mesmers, bunker guardians” nerfed? And what is considered a “fun fight”?

The ultimate list of not fun things in SPvP:
From my own experience, and from the ones posting here, these are considered the least fun things in SPvP.

  • People caring too much for glory, so they start capping a point with 7. While buffs, other points and myself are totally left for the enemy
  • Gimmick burst builds that require ultimate reflexes to counter
  • Fighting bunkers or extremely mobile survival elementalists
  • Zergs
  • Lame Moa
  • Premade tournament farms (against pugs)

The ultimate fun things in SPvP list:
From my own experience, and from the ones posting here, these are considered the fun things in SPvP.

  • Killing an opponent with skill
  • Winning a tournament because your teammates understand tactics and movement
  • Escaping certain death

Things that hopefully change in SPvP:
Idea’s and suggestions.

  • 8 v 8 becomes 5 v 5
  • Burst builds become toned down (no more 1, 2 ,3 instakill while you’re on cooldown)
  • Bunker builds toned down (1 v 3 outlasting capture points? Please…)
  • Change PvE skills in SPvP as they don’t belong there
  • More game modes

Feel free to add suggestions for the list.
This thread is not to flame certain classes, give constructive criticism.

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Posted by: Yasha.5963

Yasha.5963

I like fighting warriors, guardians, and rangers the best, then necros and engineers. I dislike fighting mesmers, thieves (especially stealth focused types) and dagger/dagger eles.

The classes I like fighting all have interesting easy to read tells, and cannot regularly dissappear or leave combat at will. Some of them are good at exiting combat, but it either requires good player skill or a very specialized build that is likely weak in other areas. I nearly always have fun and often protracted fights against these classes.

Mesmer and theif have extreme and difficult to read burst, the ability to leave combat basically at will (with little player skill needed), and are just generally annoying and not fun to fight against. The ele has no stealth, but has low CD skills like the cold aura which means you basically cannot attack them while they can move/heal/attack you; also they can easily get away if things go bad for them and very quickly heal up.

I basically agree with the OP’s “The ultimate fun things in SPvP list:” and “Things that hopefully change in SPvP:”

I would add I hope more game modes are released, and do not match pugs against premade in tournys.

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Posted by: Chi Malady.2015

Chi Malady.2015

The thief needs to be re-designed from the ground up, like they did with the dervish in GW1.

Stealth and initiative are completely broken mechanics.

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Posted by: Menzies The Heretic.3415

Menzies The Heretic.3415

The thief needs to be re-designed from the ground up, like they did with the dervish in GW1.

Stealth and initiative are completely broken mechanics.

How would you do that? Give them cooldowns on skills?
I think it wouldn’t be bad, actually help against spamming skills.
But its part of the thief mechanic at the moment.

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Posted by: bslapya.6384

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people need to stop whining nerf this nerf that just because they can’t insta kill one class or the other.. deal with it and learn how to play against those classes effectively instead of whining.

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Posted by: Menzies The Heretic.3415

Menzies The Heretic.3415

people need to stop whining nerf this nerf that just because they can’t insta kill one class or the other.. deal with it and learn how to play against those classes effectively instead of whining.

So this is your solution to loads of people who would like to improve GW2, presenting their opinion? “L2P?”

First of all people are not whining because they can’t insta kill, its because they want the lame burst options removed. Or require more skill to be executed.
And of course the bunker, which is just too tanky for a capture the point game.

As this thread shows some points in which the majority of SPvP forum visitors would agree, we are here not to discuss who likes OP builds. But why they are not fun in this setting.

I requested constructive criticism.

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Posted by: Chi Malady.2015

Chi Malady.2015

people need to stop whining nerf this nerf that just because they can’t insta kill one class or the other.. deal with it and learn how to play against those classes effectively instead of whining.

Tell me why everyone and their mother has a thief alt these days, if they aren’t OP?

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

people need to stop whining nerf this nerf that just because they can’t insta kill one class or the other.. deal with it and learn how to play against those classes effectively instead of whining.

Tell me why everyone and their mother has a thief alt these days, if they aren’t OP?

Because thieves are more fun to play than certain other classes. Personally, I use different classes depending on sPvP, dungeons, or WvW. I choose based on my own playstyle and which is the most fun. The balance across the classes overall is pretty good.

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Posted by: Chi Malady.2015

Chi Malady.2015

Because thieves are more fun to play than certain other classes.

Good one!