Guild Wars 2

Torment was first introduced only available to Necro, Thief and Mesmer. Now later War is also given Torment.

Stealth was before exclusively to Thief and Mesmer through skills and Ults, not by combo. Now later, Stealth also is given to Ranger.

With these 2 changes, I could see a future in which Stealth and Torment will be available to all class through skill and Ults, not by combo. The only difference is how many they are given access to.

What you guys think?

Why is stealth associated with cowardice/being sneaky? One could argue that stealth actually allows players to be even more aggressive. Since targeting is dropped when a player stealths, they can continue to pursue a target freely and relatively safe from constant focus fire.

While warriors get to attack a couple times at the start of a fight, about 60% of the time they are just giant punching bags, fleeing or trying to shake off focus fire to try and stay alive during team fights. Meanwhile thieves are able blow off a full rotation of attacks, instantly drop enemy focus fire, continue attacking, rinse and repeat. They get to be more offensive and make more aggressive plays because of stealth.

Stealth allows players to be even more aggressive. So, why shouldn’t warriors have access to this option?

Because stealth is kittened and should be nerfed instead of spread around. The better solution for warriors is to reduce the cd of shield stance (and give it retaliation/reflection baseline), endure pain, berserker stance, and give him better access to regenerating health.

OK, so endure pain may be too strong if you cut it to 30 sec cd. Slightly reduce the duration instead. Tweak all these defensive stances and cd’s to 25-30 sec cd’s and shave a bit of the duration. Make burst skills restore like 3-4k health at stage 3.

Stuff like that.

Stealth is just dumb and it doesn’t need to be spread around.

I could see a several reason why Stealth should not give to Warrior. Warrior possess one of the highest burst in the game, long stun lock and sustain if wearing Soldier Amulet, yet still dish out amazing damages. Right now, the only way to counter War Stunlock is look for its animation. Without anyway to see the stun chain coming, Warrior will be ridiculous strong, if not the most OP in OP level.

Stealth is a broken mechanic and I don’t see ANet being idiotic enough to allow any other classes to have it.

Warrs are big and dumb they can’t stealth smash someones head with a hammer sure.
Stealth isn’t a broken mechanic your just bad at countering it. There is no class weak to it atm where as in the past we could pray on wars rangers and necro.

Why is torment such a big deal? the condi itself is meh

Torment is very punish to all mobile class out there such as Engine, Eles,Thief,… And by mobile, I mean they need to be constant on the move to sustain. War is giving torment which is I feel a bad idea due to its burst. And if any of these mobile class stay still and eat War full burst, they will be dead in no time. Though, it is still in the early stage of the game. Need to observe a bit more to tell..

Stealth.9324:

Torment is very punish to all mobile class out there such as Engine, Eles,Thief,… And by mobile, I mean they need to be constant on the move to sustain. War is giving torment which is I feel a bad idea due to its burst. And if any of these mobile class stay still and eat War full burst, they will be dead in no time. Though, it is still in the early stage of the game. Need to observe a bit more to tell..

Warriors can also run condition builds — and warrior condi builds need condi covers so torment fits perfectly.

Zenith.7301:

Stealth.9324:

Torment is very punish to all mobile class out there such as Engine, Eles,Thief,… And by mobile, I mean they need to be constant on the move to sustain. War is giving torment which is I feel a bad idea due to its burst. And if any of these mobile class stay still and eat War full burst, they will be dead in no time. Though, it is still in the early stage of the game. Need to observe a bit more to tell..

Warriors can also run condition builds — and warrior condi builds need condi covers so torment fits perfectly.

If they need some Condi covers, any Condis will fit in just nice. Torment is just ugly if simply for that purpose and way too underestimate Torment. But Torment giving to Warrior has more purpose than that and it is like I said, ugly…

It’s a shame that a game with such great combat mechanics has to be polluted by the huge amount of stealth and pve entites. Great engine, bad design pvp wise.

shaolin.9716:

It’s a shame that a game with such great combat mechanics has to be polluted by the huge amount of stealth and pve entites. Great engine, bad design pvp wise.

Pretty much this.

And stealth, especially stealth that doesn’t come at a price, has been a bad idea since pretty much ever. It just annoys experienced players, and flat out makes new players quit PvP before they even get started, and provides a tool for griefing for players that like to do that sort of thing.

Im sorry to say, but if an experienced pvp player gets frustrated by stealth, then theyre not experienced enough at countering stealth. That, or they should not get frustrated, as its just a game.