Guild Wars 2

Now that paid Tpvp is finally up, can we please change free Tpvp to not allow groups of 3 or more.

This allows you to still do it with a friend, but if you want to do a full group then you need to do the Paid Tpvp.

I had hopes that Free Tpvp would finally become pug friendly. However, that has not been the case. There is still always that full preset group wiping the floor against all the pugs. I assume it’s because they can’t handle a fair fight in the paid Tpvp, but it still sucks.

I agree too, Solo~trio only its ok already.

Or they could create a new tournament style, called something like random, where there is no premades whatsoever. 5 random people on each team with 2 minutes before the match to strategize. I think that would be quite fun..

That or they could just make some of the 200 unused pvp servers into 10 player cap servers…

Yes, separating randoms and pugs in tPvP is a must. In fact, it should have been done two months ago.

Too late now, though. Too many people have just outright quit because of such heavily unbalanced matches. Such a shame.

Never too late, Pugging is always fun and a 1-3 premade max would be pretty awesome too many scrubs who can’t win without a full premade.

Not going to lie, getting roflstomped every single tourney in the first or second round is really disheartening/frustrating/insert colorful kitten-transform here.

Please at least consider preferentially matching pugs vs pugs and premades vs premades. For those of us with difficult schedules teaming is hard to do, so once you graduate from sPvP there’s nowhere to go with the current way tPvP is matched.

Not every premade is actually a premade, even if it looks like it.

Take myself for example: in my guild, there’s constantly tourneys going on. Someone asks in the guild who wants to go and a team of 5 people is quickly made. The people in a team are never the same tho, so this doesn’t make it much different than going in with a bunch of randoms.

What makes this better than going full pug is that at least there’s some form of communication that makes things better. Now, if GW2 had some form of integrated voice communication system without having to resort to Mumble, Teamspeak or what have you, even full pug runs would be much more enjoyable.

At least have some kind of protection for those who queue with randoms. Mostly end up being kitten by full premade group because of this.

For example make groups have their own queue like any other game. Sure the queue will be a lot longer, but I hate to see people rage when they can do bugger all with no communication against communication.

Kagemitsu, if someone in one of those groups of yours behaves like an idot, they will get trouble for that in your guild I suppose.

There’s more to a pug than just not playing with the same people.

On topic more: if they can’t seperate completely (which they should) than at least have a matchmaking set that only the last pugs who can’t fit a tournament, are put against premades.
Fill the tournaments with pugs till you have either no more pugs, or just a few pugs too many.
Same for the premades.

If the leftovers of both have enough to fill a tournament too, than throw them together while giving the pugs a headstart or something.
or a better consolation price.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about constant premades vs pugs. People joining free tournament randomly, by themselves, should be “matched” with the same. People in a group of 4 or 5 should be “matched” with others who are grouped.

I understand the desire to do free, even when grouped, since its free and not everyone has a giant stack of tickets for paid all the time, but it becomes completely demoralizing to get steamrolled game after game, all day long, by guilds running their premades through free tournament, leaving you with wasted time and almost nothing to show for it, driving you to stop doing tournaments and only do hot join, which has its own drawbacks but ends up giving the solo player more reward for his time.

Find a group and play. Stop being lazy. Ultimately, you will enjoy your game experience more.

Thats a cop out response. It has nothing to do with being lazy.

Perfect. Than put together a group. That easy

Forcing players to have to play in groups to have fun in PvP will certainly not make this game a very popular esport. Most people do not and don’t want to play in organized groups, but want to enjoy the game just as much in random groups. The game should actually be designed for casuals first if it is to increase in popularity. What’s the point in designing the game as an elite esport if there will be almost no one left interested in the game because they can’t enjoy it?

What if I don’t want the weight of an entire team on my shoulders? I certainly can’t drag them down with my warrior or ranger.

What if I just worked an 8 hour shift, giving and taking orders for people all day, and now I just wanna come home and play my game @ 3am, alone?

Pugs and casuals are the biggest demographic, by far. They’re also what competitive teams will grow out of. There’s got to be a place and format for them to just step into the game and have fun with, while remaining competitive and cooperative. Just force less communication through another mode or design.

3v3 TDM: do your thing while res’ing your allies. Call targets effectively. Be mindful of class strengths and weaknesses, make use of ally combo fields, and react accordingly without having to yell at each other. Seems simple, yet team-based, fun, and accessible.

a 5v5 hot join is what should be implemented to solve this problem. I’m not trying to be an kitten but tpvp is not always the greatest experience for casual solo queue players.

Master Charles.7093:

What if I don’t want the weight of an entire team on my shoulders? I certainly can’t drag them down with my warrior or ranger.

What if I just worked an 8 hour shift, giving and taking orders for people all day, and now I just wanna come home and play my game @ 3am, alone?

Pugs and casuals are the biggest demographic, by far. They’re also what competitive teams will grow out of. There’s got to be a place and format for them to just step into the game and have fun with, while remaining competitive and cooperative. Just force less communication through another mode or design.

Nice example. Most people want to play with others but in their own little bubble of relaxation. Having to communicate with others by voice is not relaxing.

Its also next to impossible for some people to find a group. The mists chat on my server is dead and unresponsive.

this has been suggested the first week since the game has been released. so this is old news.

I think adding hotjoin 5v5’s will greatly improve this situation but there are a few things you can do to improve your chances in a Pug.

I pug quite often, I’d say about 60-70% of my tourney games are solo/duo que, and while if you meet a good team you’re more than likely going to lose it’s still very possible to win more than you lose overall if you do a few things.

1)Change your profession to make your groups composition better. Not everyone can play the same role, if you know how to play multiple professions or builds you can adapt to what your team needs. If you only know how to play one thing take advantage of the fact that you have access to everything and learn something new.

2)Create a simple strategy, explain it to the group and try to execute it as best as you can. Generally focusing on holding/supporting 2 points and rotating to help what’s needed.

3)Call Targets, and tell your group to attack the marked target before the game starts.

4)If you’re bunkering a point tell your team which point you’re going to and that if you type a number thats how many people are coming. EX:" I’m bunkering mine if I type 3, 3 people are coming to mine". Also if you’re okay try to type it out, a lot of times people see that a point is being contested and run over only to get there as you’re stomping.

Obviously there’s a ton of other things you need to do to be able to win, and you’re not going to have much of a chance vs a strong team, but a lot of groups/teams aren’t as organized and you can improve your chances vs them by doing a few of these things.

Yes random and premade free tourneys NEED to be separate queues. Whenever I play with a premade it’s a free win against randoms, and when I queue solo it’s a loss without any points or fun against a premade.

Seperate tournements for pugs and pre-mades is a must for me. I work long hours, I’m at the older end of gameing demographic, I’m never gona develop leet twitch skills, I have no intrest at all in e-sports (other than wishing those who can and do good luck and enjoyment). I just want to spend a few hours of my limited spare time de-stressing by playing sPvP every day so. GW2 has made a huge step forward for me by leveling the playing field for solo puggers by breaking the link between available time played (gear) and skill. Its therfore quite the shame that the “gear” level field is then tipped on its end in favour of those with the time & age/reflexes to play in organised competative teams. I’m sure i’m not alone in this…

Worst idea ever … srlsy for PUG games you have a hot joins deal with it … stop crying about ohh i cant play pug vs premade its so hard to JOIN GUILD ? Tournaments are based on TEAMS and if you are so leazy to add some friends or ask on guild chat or even spam in hearth of mist (classes needed lvl and so one ) blame your selfs only. Nobody gona do it EVERYTHING for you…

DragonM.2170:

Worst idea ever … srlsy for PUG games you have a hot joins deal with it … stop crying about ohh i cant play pug vs premade its so hard to JOIN GUILD ? Tournaments are based on TEAMS and if you are so leazy to add some friends or ask on guild chat or even spam in hearth of mist (classes needed lvl and so one ) blame your selfs only. Nobody gona do it EVERYTHING for you…

if you were right, than the dev’s wouldn’t have created the option to join alone.

Since they did, it’s to them you should be telling that they are wrong, not us.
You say we should blame ourselves, but since the devs created the option you’re blaming them for this in the end.

Everybody in this thread knows that you can make a team. That’s not really the point.

The option to join as pug is there, all we ask is for it to be seperated from teams.

The REAL question is: since you can join alone, is it fair and good for the game, to be forced to play against premade teams?

You missed that. All you are saying is that the option to join alone shouldn’t even be in the game.

As for hot joins spvp: that’s not 5v5 and is an utter mess. Nothing comparable to a tournament.
And ‘hot joining’ tournaments isn’t a seperate option, wich is exactly the point of this thread. Joining tournaments alone puts you against premades… So it’s not an option to avoid the issue. It IS the issue…

Basically you’re making a lot of noise, but saying nothing to the point.

as said, if you dont like playing against premade teams, go play hot join… tournaments are what they should be now…

hot join – free for anyone, cant join as premade, only alone
free tournament – free for anyone, can join alone aswell as premade
paid tournament – need to pay tickets, only for premades

1 for solo players, 1 for good solo players/“bad” teams, 1 for good teams, this IS balanced

I think disallowing groups of 3+ is a bad idea just cause many teams will eventually have to do free’s for a bit to restock tickets. Instead, just separate the free’s queues – one queue for full 5 mans and another for partials, or something like that.

That is, unless they don’t believe they have a large enough playerbase to support it – which is another issue altogether.

MaXi.3642:

as said, if you dont like playing against premade teams, go play hot join… tournaments are what they should be now…

hot join – free for anyone, cant join as premade, only alone
free tournament – free for anyone, can join alone aswell as premade
paid tournament – need to pay tickets, only for premades

1 for solo players, 1 for good solo players/“bad” teams, 1 for good teams, this IS balanced

I would actually agree IF spvp hot join was 5v5 instead of 8v8.

Seeing as it is 8v8 it has absolutely nothing to do with the tournament form of conquest.

And a good solo player in a pugged tournament group still gets beaten by a half decent premade, even if he himself is better.
That’s part of the issue too: there simply is no format where good solo players can do good pvp.

For a game claiming to be a pvp game, it offers next to nothing to solo players.
This is a major issue for the future of pvp in this game, as well as an obstacle to create an audience for e-sport.

DragonM.2170:

Worst idea ever … srlsy for PUG games you have a hot joins deal with it … stop crying about ohh i cant play pug vs premade its so hard to JOIN GUILD ? Tournaments are based on TEAMS and if you are so leazy to add some friends or ask on guild chat or even spam in hearth of mist (classes needed lvl and so one ) blame your selfs only. Nobody gona do it EVERYTHING for you…

Again, it has nothing to do with being lazy (or leazy, whatever the kitten that means). Some people do not want to join a guild. Just because you are in a guild doesn’t mean that other people want to be. Some people don’t have real life friends that play this game too. Some people do in fact try to get a group together by spamming in mists chat, but on some servers (like mine) mists chat is all but dead and no one responds to such things. That has already been said but I guess you chose to ignore that.

MaXi.3642:

as said, if you dont like playing against premade teams, go play hot join… tournaments are what they should be now…

hot join – free for anyone, cant join as premade, only alone
free tournament – free for anyone, can join alone aswell as premade
paid tournament – need to pay tickets, only for premades

1 for solo players, 1 for good solo players/“bad” teams, 1 for good teams, this IS balanced

That is not balanced at all. Good solo players will lose in a pug, hands down, I’d say 90% of the time, to what you consider a “bad” premade. There is NO option to avoid that. Telling solo players to go play hot join does not solve the issue as hot join is A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING THAT TOURNAMENT. Sure it solves the premade issue, but has issues of its own and does not have the reward system that tournaments have. That is what makes people want to play tournament. Anyone who genuinely argues against all this I’m sure is having a great time rolling pugs in free tourny, and enjoy. Really, have a good time. You are getting great reward for little “work” and thats the whole drive behind a reward based system of any kind. Get more, fast.

But don’t think for 1 second that that was balanced.

If hot join Spvp was 5v5 I would join that in a heartbeat.

But 8v8 is just a clusterkitten for these maps. It always ends up zerg vs zerg with little deviation.

Hehe… clusterkitten.

I agree though, hotjoin is too zergy, I mainly join tournaments for the 5v5. For 8v8 the maps would have to be larger.