Guild Wars 2

…and it was full of problems, but still better than the last time I played in May!

Sure, my teammates were ranks 1, 1, 2, and 5. Yes, the queue was 8 minutes long. Yes, there were four necros and two rangers in the match, and yes, we lost. But it was still fun. The story of GW2 pvp may be summed up by “too little, too late” but at least for now, there’s a chance to have:
—a real match (as opposed to loljoin)
—viable niche builds (as opposed to the strict team-only queue of the spring)
—more emphasis on fighting than rotating (see above)
—the possibility of changing the outcome of a match as a solo player (see above)

I’m aware that PvP is as full of flaws as it has ever been—but for now, I’m just enjoying the feeling of actually playing the game, rather than playing the system. If solo queue had been available from launch, who knows where this game could be now…but ah well, no use crying over what might have been. There is some fun to be had yet. In fact, if Anet manages to fix a few simple problems and get PvP really ironed out, maybe we could see a comeback?

tl;dr—this combat system is good at the core. Here’s to hoping Anet doesn’t just give up on PvP.

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

See, I love that. Taking damage or holding a point don’t contribute to your score, when really if you’re sitting there being a bunky mofo you should be awarded for taking the kind of damage you’re likely to take. I remember a game I had with some elitist who trashtalked everyone on my team and I called her out on it, and after the game (which we lost) I had the least amount of points because instead of going and trying to damage everything I was holding them off points and taking on more than one of them in multiple situations, resulting in far less kills than my teammates. Apparently my lack of points meant I did absolutely nothing to contribute.

Zanryu.3417:

See, I love that. Taking damage or holding a point don’t contribute to your score, when really if you’re sitting there being a bunky mofo you should be awarded for taking the kind of damage you’re likely to take. I remember a game I had with some elitist who trashtalked everyone on my team and I called her out on it, and after the game (which we lost) I had the least amount of points because instead of going and trying to damage everything I was holding them off points and taking on more than one of them in multiple situations, resulting in far less kills than my teammates. Apparently my lack of points meant I did absolutely nothing to contribute.

It’s arguably easier to stand on a point and hold it, especially if you’re a bunker guardian and enemies don’t focus you anyway – in fact you get ignored most of the time in team fights. Isn’t it appropriate for the role that takes more active gameplay and decision making to be rewarded with more points?

Let me put it this way. Damagers on your team must worry about 1) killing opponents while 2) surviving, plus 3) supporting teammates, and 4) controlling the rest of the map. Bunkers don’t worry about killing, they don’t need to worry about surviving, they don’t have to even move anywhere on the map, they just support. That’s all they need to care about. Therefore, they get rewarded points for supporting. It just makes sense.

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

zone.1073:

Zanryu.3417:

See, I love that. Taking damage or holding a point don’t contribute to your score, when really if you’re sitting there being a bunky mofo you should be awarded for taking the kind of damage you’re likely to take. I remember a game I had with some elitist who trashtalked everyone on my team and I called her out on it, and after the game (which we lost) I had the least amount of points because instead of going and trying to damage everything I was holding them off points and taking on more than one of them in multiple situations, resulting in far less kills than my teammates. Apparently my lack of points meant I did absolutely nothing to contribute.

It’s arguably easier to stand on a point and hold it, especially if you’re a bunker guardian and enemies don’t focus you anyway – in fact you get ignored most of the time in team fights. Isn’t it appropriate for the role that takes more active gameplay and decision making to be rewarded with more points?

Let me put it this way. Damagers on your team must worry about 1) killing opponents while 2) surviving, plus 3) supporting teammates, and 4) controlling the rest of the map. Bunkers don’t worry about killing, they don’t need to worry about surviving, they don’t have to even move anywhere on the map, they just support. That’s all they need to care about. Therefore, they get rewarded points for supporting. It just makes sense.

I’m not saying those taking active roles should be rewarded less points, but a key point is that when bunkering if you do get focused, and in my experience it happens a fair amount, there should be some system in place to award points for damage taken. In the same way it makes sense to get points for actively fighting and killing opponents, doesn’t it make sense for someone who’s sitting there taking the heat off his team to get points as a reward rather than to get nothing?

Zanryu.3417:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

See, I love that. Taking damage or holding a point don’t contribute to your score, when really if you’re sitting there being a bunky mofo you should be awarded for taking the kind of damage you’re likely to take. I remember a game I had with some elitist who trashtalked everyone on my team and I called her out on it, and after the game (which we lost) I had the least amount of points because instead of going and trying to damage everything I was holding them off points and taking on more than one of them in multiple situations, resulting in far less kills than my teammates. Apparently my lack of points meant I did absolutely nothing to contribute.

only guardians and (staff2counternecros)elementalists are supposed to use cleric amulet, if you are a cleric insert class you are not an holder, you are just useless.

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

See this is the kind of stupid person i am talking about. Its not a 4v5 situation unless your complete idiots. 4v5 so they left a point unguarded and you would have failed to cap it. That’s just stupidity.

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

Exactly my thoughts.

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

See this is the kind of stupid person i am talking about. Its not a 4v5 situation unless your complete idiots. 4v5 so they left a point unguarded and you would have failed to cap it. That’s just stupidity.

wow i always thought that you are ignorant, but i didn’t know that you are this ignorant. so what, one guy run of to cap their back point, while the middle point is 3v5 and lost in an instant and they only need 2 people to run back to take the home point back, NOT to mention they can always send one back while 4v3 at middle point. and as they die the team spawn is splited, situation gets worst.

or you still haven’t realise how much an idiot you are, i can always bring the old quotes which you’ve been ignoring the whole time because you are too ashamed if you want to.

I am glad you played the game. Did i say i was never attacked? sorry missed that. I am not ashamed of anything i said. It just shows your pathetic personal vendetta.

Conan.8046:

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Lighter.5631:

Conan.8046:

Did you win or lose?

Actually its almost worth losing to hear everyone blame each other and whine about everyone else being noobs.

I stood and guarded a point the whole game, never lost it. My team mates all zerged middle point and beaten every time. However because i had lowest score i was the reason we lost!

obviously you are the reason your team lost, you leave your team in a 4v5 situation, because they know that you are not going to move a tiny bit so they ignored you and that point in a whole in exchange they got 2 other points. noobs who think that picking a brainless bunker sitting on home point the whole game will actually help alot in all comp are hilarious

See this is the kind of stupid person i am talking about. Its not a 4v5 situation unless your complete idiots. 4v5 so they left a point unguarded and you would have failed to cap it. That’s just stupidity.

wow i always thought that you are ignorant, but i didn’t know that you are this ignorant. so what, one guy run of to cap their back point, while the middle point is 3v5 and lost in an instant and they only need 2 people to run back to take the home point back, NOT to mention they can always send one back while 4v3 at middle point. and as they die the team spawn is splited, situation gets worst.

or you still haven’t realise how much an idiot you are, i can always bring the old quotes which you’ve been ignoring the whole time because you are too ashamed if you want to.

I am glad you played the game. Did i say i was never attacked? sorry missed that. I am not ashamed of anything i said. It just shows your pathetic personal vendetta.

Yea, attacked by back capper 1 time or 2 at the beginning, Or do you mean when after you team has been killed because of 4v5 and enemy have their 2 points?

Lol, you are not ashamed of anything you said? haha, thanks for the laugh, because you should.

sry lighter but you are wrong here

its not “only mid” you have 3 nodes and when you fight 4v5 in mid all day than you and your 3 mates do it wrong because there is somewhere a free cap and you could have 2 nodes without even fighting for it and enemy would have to split

dont fokus on mid all day

Well, I see that it’s still just as hard to stay on topic as always…

The point is that good things have happened. To those discussing tactics, it’s true that in a solo queue situation, playing pure defense is usually not the best strategy. It’s likely that their home point is unguarded. That’s one of the fun things about solo queue, actually.

Yes, as I said there are still very strong FOTM builds. But I also did just fine with my 4-kit cleric’s amulet engineer (not FOTM). In team queues, that wouldn’t work, because the enemy team would always send a necro+roamer to my point, every time. I’d lose every time. There would absolutely never be a 1v1, and I’d never even really fight any other professions. It’s just so predictable. All I’m saying is that solo queue is a breath of fresh air, even if it’s got a million problems left to fix. Most of them are incredibly simple fixes. I’m just trying to tell the devs that the PvP in this game is still worth the trouble.