Guild Wars 2

Ouroboros.5076:

“PU MESMER IS A NIGHTMARE”

In the meantime, dude uses so much stealth he can heal twice before getting attacked, (no counterplay), to reingage with a 4k crit, double proc with immob (still no counterplay).

kittenit thieves are so lazy now…

Fact that Thief is kittened shouldn’t be ever used as argument allowing Mesmers to be even more kittened ;-)

Morwath.9817:

Ouroboros.5076:

“PU MESMER IS A NIGHTMARE”

In the meantime, dude uses so much stealth he can heal twice before getting attacked, (no counterplay), to reingage with a 4k crit, double proc with immob (still no counterplay).

kittenit thieves are so lazy now…

Fact that Thief is kittened shouldn’t be ever used as argument allowing Mesmers to be even more kittened ;-)

Also, I find that thief being laughably weak in WvW compare to Mesmer now. I have absolutely no trouble killing thief anymore. Just live through the first burst with protection + weakness and use a quickness to instantly burst him down. They lose alot of dodging potential, and they switch from S/D to D/P once more, so killing them is very easy.

Mesmer, on the other hand, is another dimension to deal with. Longer stealth duration, permanent reflection, lots of invulnerable/evade and stun breaker, lots of interrupt, lots of conditions, way harder to countered burst. 10 times HARDER to deal with than thieves now that’s for sure.

Mesmers dont have permanent reflection. What on earth are you smoking…

Besetment.9187:

Mesmers dont have permanent reflection. What on earth are you smoking…

Dodge grants reflect with no ICD. Manipulation grants reflect with no ICD.
They don’t need to sacrifice weapon choice or even utilities to do these things anymore. (Manipulation is one of the most popular choices for Mesmers anyway)
And then they have that permanent stealth to cover the endurance and CD issue.

Have you fight a good PU Mesmer in WvW before?

Reminder:
Guys, were at PvP forums.
WvW “balance” isn’t our concern.

DP literally trained warrior with blind for ages, and no non warriors finally realize how op blind actually is…

Morwath.9817:

Reminder:
Guys, were at PvP forums.
WvW “balance” isn’t our concern.

Well permanent reflect still works perfectly in PVP.
PU is still perfectly usable in PVP too.
I mentioned WvW only because it is a more extreme example with stealth having no consequences or drawbacks whatsoever.

First, stealth for a long period burns up all your utility spots. Second the “twice” mantra heal doesn’t do much healing. Third, there’s no such thing as permanent reflect. In fact one of the major Mesmer reflects, [Temporal Curtain] will often fail on LOS if an opponent is even slightly on higher ground.

Max Stealth = minimum damage. Permanent reflect doesn’t exist.. that’s in your mind

It seems Mesmer has you freaked out, which after all is what we do. This is a learn to play issue.

Aomine.5012:

Besetment.9187:

Mesmers dont have permanent reflection. What on earth are you smoking…

Dodge grants reflect with no ICD. Manipulation grants reflect with no ICD.
They don’t need to sacrifice weapon choice or even utilities to do these things anymore. (Manipulation is one of the most popular choices for Mesmers anyway)
And then they have that permanent stealth to cover the endurance and CD issue.

Have you fight a good PU Mesmer in WvW before?

Successful evasion grants 1.5 sec of reflection. It also requires you to take evasive mirror which means you can’t have blind on shatter.

Master of manipulation grants 2 sec of reflection on blink (24 sec cooldown) and mass invis (72 sec cooldown).

@beset they have light armor for a reason by the looks of it
ur not happy until u get free kills

The whole premise for this is kinda ironic. Thief has issues fighting a class they used to dominate because now when they reset the fight with stealth, the mesmer can too.

But @Aomine, most mesmers I’ve seen don’t take Evasive Mirror as Blind on Shatter is useful in more cases. As for mirror on manipulation, this affects blink and badly affects mass invis. Since the mirror applies after the casting completes, all you really need to do is start a channeled projectile attack or even just a projectile from far away and it’ll hit them in stealth, reflect back to you and give them reveal, effectively wasting an elite on a 72 second cd for them.

the real question is… what does counter mesmers nowdays?

I am laughing so hard at the thief that posted this.

I don’t exactly see what this video is trying to prove. I see a pretty balanced matchup here.

Aomine.5012:

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

Yeah right, hard countering guard and ele because you can run/hide away from them. Logic?

Cynz.9437:

the real question is… what does counter mesmers nowdays?

Bunker elixer engi,
Bunker necro
petting zoo necro
Rampage
Burn Guardian
Cele

serenke.4806:

Aomine.5012:

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

Yeah right, hard countering guard and ele because you can run/hide away from them. Logic?

Point is they can one shot you out of stealth any time, while you can’t do the same to them due to numerous invulnerable, evade, in addition to long stealth up-time.

Cynz.9437:

the real question is… what does counter mesmers nowdays?

Killshot warrior.

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Aomine.5012:

serenke.4806:

Aomine.5012:

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

Yeah right, hard countering guard and ele because you can run/hide away from them. Logic?

Point is they can one shot you out of stealth any time, while you can’t do the same to them due to numerous invulnerable, evade, in addition to long stealth up-time.

As long as you have 1 dodge, 1 evade, 1 damage mitigation, 1 teleport, 1 stealth, 1 mobility skill, or any number of 1’s, they can’t 1 shot you out of stealth. In fact, when they go into stealth they’ve given you such a big tell you should thank them.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aomine.5012:

serenke.4806:

Aomine.5012:

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

Yeah right, hard countering guard and ele because you can run/hide away from them. Logic?

Point is they can one shot you out of stealth any time, while you can’t do the same to them due to numerous invulnerable, evade, in addition to long stealth up-time.

As long as you have 1 dodge, 1 evade, 1 damage mitigation, 1 teleport, 1 stealth, 1 mobility skill, or any number of 1’s, they can’t 1 shot you out of stealth. In fact, when they go into stealth they’ve given you such a big tell you should thank them.

Hey, do you know that list you posted actually resemble Mesmer the most? So basically the best way to counter Mesmer is by another Mesmer lol…

Aomine.5012:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aomine.5012:

serenke.4806:

Aomine.5012:

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

Yeah right, hard countering guard and ele because you can run/hide away from them. Logic?

Point is they can one shot you out of stealth any time, while you can’t do the same to them due to numerous invulnerable, evade, in addition to long stealth up-time.

As long as you have 1 dodge, 1 evade, 1 damage mitigation, 1 teleport, 1 stealth, 1 mobility skill, or any number of 1’s, they can’t 1 shot you out of stealth. In fact, when they go into stealth they’ve given you such a big tell you should thank them.

Hey, do you know that list you posted actually resemble Mesmer the most? So basically the best way to counter Mesmer is by another Mesmer lol…

Yes.

Play to win.

Of course you only need 1 of those things from the list. So all classes are covered.

Solori.6025:

Cynz.9437:

the real question is… what does counter mesmers nowdays?

Bunker elixer engi,
Bunker necro
petting zoo necro
Rampage
Burn Guardian
Cele

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