Guild Wars 2

I can never fully understand this change. I mean seriously? The last thing we needed in pvp was a horde of Shorbow auto-attack spamming/kiting ranger that spams bleeds and other conditions so fast, even Chuck Norris can’t keep up. Add to that an annoying hard to kill pet which now has improved HP and toughness and improved abilities that follows you like a twitter fanboy.

After the massive hit on eles, expect rangers to be dominating every match. Mark my words.

I’m no QQer but for the love of God, why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

I can never fully understand this change. I mean seriously? The last thing we needed in pvp was a horde of Shorbow auto-attack spamming/kiting ranger that spams bleeds so fast, even Chuck Norris can’t keep up. Add to that an annoying hard to kill pet which now has improved HP and toughness and improved abilities that follows you like a twitter fanboy.

After the massive hit on eles, expect rangers to be dominating every match. Mark my words.

I’m no QQer but for the love of God, why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

What? You don’t like PvE changes in your PvP? It goes both ways.

^Exactly

They can’t buff warriors because they are already PVE gods.

Ele’s remained OP for so long because nerfing them would make them worse in PVE where they are already not that good.

The pet buffs are obviously directed at improving ranger viability in PVE.

only karl knows why pets need to be buffed in pvp.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

… why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

One word answer: Zoophilia

Keep your head on a swivel to look out for birds, and if you see a Jaguar go stealth, then run like hell.

Ranger doesn’t need to be anywhere near you to kill you, is not dependent on LoS to burst you and is immortal underwater (not that UW combat matters at the moment). Seems perfectly fair to me. At least we know already where the nerf bat is going to crash down next patch.

Yeah maybe I didn’t realize that this is a good improvement on PVE side including AI improvements on necro pets too. But looking at it on the PVP side is just sickening. Can’t we split these changes too since you’re already at it with some skills? Desperate plea for such a horrible horrible change.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

At least we know already where the nerf bat is going to crash down next patch.

One Word: Engineers

Rangers were already crazy OP 1v1 and on point defense but no one complained so they got buffed.
Shame Shame.

maybe because they encouraging a ranger to have a skillset beastlord style where the pet does everything. I dont see any problem with pets being stronger.

Rangers were quite good before and there was quite a bit of them.

I called it before the patch that this will be the new FOTM. Expect to see some serious complaining about rangers within the next week. There’s been some complaining in the past but we haven’t seen anything yet.

Wait til more of them start actually using swoop too.

This is probably just a correction to the nerf of pet toughness and vitality. They problably over-did it. If you noticed Guardian spirit weapons also got a boost in hitpoints again. So thats 2 boosts in hit points for them since they were nerfed. A-net is probably trying to find the sweet spot for ranger pets. I highly doubt they are more powerful then they were at the height of beast master specs.

swoop 1100 range 12 sec cd..
Heres your new rtl and heres your new bunker far point..Have fun :P
On the bright side it never has been easier for me to kill other eles ..
haha

Is there a reason you think you should be able to down a ranger’s pet without actually targeting the pet? And is your strafe key broken? Is there a reason you’re not just walking in circles away from pets? Because they’re still easy to avoid even with the changes 4 months ago.

Yes, it seems out of the blue.

Ranger pets were a waste to focus down already and especially broken in Downed State.

The improvements to responsiveness / AI were needed, but making them even more survivable lowers the skillcap even more and I don’t think that is what Rangers need, nor what SPvp needs right now.

Besides the leash range hasn’t been reduced, so this buff will be unpleasant.

Well, it was uncalled. Anyway, can we at least put a range leash on those pets? Being chased for 2 mins straight, across all the map because their owner is clueless is not fun…

kostbabis.8791:

swoop 1100 range 12 sec cd..
Heres your new rtl and heres your new bunker far point..Have fun :P
On the bright side it never has been easier for me to kill other eles ..
haha

Funny thing is they were quicker to reach far point and bunker than eles even pre patch.

Minion of Vey.4398:

kostbabis.8791:

swoop 1100 range 12 sec cd..
Heres your new rtl and heres your new bunker far point..Have fun :P
On the bright side it never has been easier for me to kill other eles ..
haha

Funny thing is they were quicker to reach far point and bunker than eles even pre patch.

Yeah they were and many people knew that.Also rtl migh not be affected by slows but their leaps have evades and are so many and in so low cd that the disengage is completely over the top compared to their policy and what they did on eles.
Did i mention the damage pets do on bm build?? :S

Atherakhia.4086:

Is there a reason you think you should be able to down a ranger’s pet without actually targeting the pet? And is your strafe key broken? Is there a reason you’re not just walking in circles away from pets? Because they’re still easy to avoid even with the changes 4 months ago.

Yea, L2P. Thank you for that.

Jonathan Sharps response to this, “cool story bro”

>Making pets less kittenty
>Adding 1s to QZ
>Making SoS less kittenty
>Reducing LR cd by 9%
>Buffing spirits which nobody uses in pvp
>Buffing shouts which nobody uses in pvp

Oh man Rangers 2 OP /s

pets with aggro range of tyrannosaurus were not killing everything so they needed a little buff to just destroy errything without effort.

Wouldn’t care much if they nerfed leash range.

Nik Rane.6431:

>Making pets less kittenty
>Adding 1s to QZ
>Making SoS less kittenty
>Reducing LR cd by 9%
>Buffing spirits which nobody uses in pvp
>Buffing shouts which nobody uses in pvp

Oh man Rangers 2 OP /s

Yeah, the buffs are so little, they mean nothing and Rangers are still so underpowered no wonder half your team are always shortbow rangers. Please tell that to the future rants and QQs similar to what has happened with the eles. Enjoy your Super Pets and Crazy Conditions while you still can.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Awhy the buff on pets?!?!

Because someone still managed to kill pets…but apparently pets must not die, their bunker specced ranger won’t die too so you’ve just better to give up cuz now we basically have a bunker ranger+tons of evades+conditions AND a dps pet with more tough and hp to face able to chase you for the whole kittening map..

…yeah…fortunately i already lost all hopes months ago so i don’t care so much, i’ll just reroll ranger if needed, it’s easy to play and it takes a very short time to bring it on a tpvp level (3-4 hours in hotzerg aka custom arenas or whatever they are it’s more than enough, just to memorize the skillbar and cds)…not so much skills needed and good rewards for a cheap price..

btw i already said (Something like 2 months ago) that bunker char + dps pet is clearly nonsense since pets must follow their owner’s base points, you can’t just give a “pocket warrior” to a bunker….

Dps Spec = Dps Pet
Bunker\Condition Spec = Bunker\Condition Pet

No matter which animal you take, stats must always be based on owner’s ones.

But we all know…anet used to do 1 thing right (Ele nerf in this case) and screw up everything else with every patch…so not a big surprise after all..

The way the ranger pet performed was a much needed quality of life improvement in terms of AI handling, and the stat point increases aren’t really noticeable except on (lol) bears.

As far as what the AI improvement seems to have done, it appears that the only difference between pets pre patch and pets post patch is that they don’t move their footing every time a person strafes outside of their last location.
What I mean is that you can’t circle strafe them, you actually have to move OUTSIDE of the attacks range.

As far as the amount of damage the ranger pet does, MOST of the ranger community would rather the pet serve as mostly utility while the damage be controlled by mostly the player. So I would say the majority of the ranger community has probably wanted to not have to rely on the pet so much since release.

I’m hoping MORE people play BM rangers now. Maybe it will finally send a message and will result in getting buffs to the class that people actually want.

Pets may have needed a buff in PvE or something but not in Spvp!

pot.6805:

Pets may have needed a buff in PvE or something but not in Spvp!

When you can figure out to to split the way mechanics function between game modes (AI functioning different in PvP than PvE), I’m sure ANet will hire you to do it.

jcbroe.4329:

pot.6805:

Pets may have needed a buff in PvE or something but not in Spvp!

When you can figure out to to split the way mechanics function between game modes (AI functioning different in PvP than PvE), I’m sure ANet will hire you to do it.

Um it is not hard to split the amount of tough/vit ranger pets get in PvE vs spvp. They already have splits on other skills.

pot.6805:

jcbroe.4329:

pot.6805:

Pets may have needed a buff in PvE or something but not in Spvp!

When you can figure out to to split the way mechanics function between game modes (AI functioning different in PvP than PvE), I’m sure ANet will hire you to do it.

Um it is not hard to split the amount of tough/vit ranger pets get in PvE vs spvp. They already have splits on other skills.

Obviously they thought that the base amounts weren’t enough (and outside of a BM focused build they weren’t).

Again, as I mentioned earlier, everybody, INCLUDING a large majority of the ranger community, would rather see the damage on the player than on the pet. I cannot stress this enough, as the survival and function of the pets are in good spot across the board.

I cannot stress enough that pets wouldn’t even be an issue if they only hit ~300 damage per hit with the same amount of survival.

someone needs to go to anet office and tell them

Archaon.6245:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Awhy the buff on pets?!?!

Because someone still managed to kill pets…but apparently pets must not die, their bunker specced ranger won’t die too so you’ve just better to give up cuz now we basically have a bunker ranger+tons of evades+conditions AND a dps pet with more tough and hp to face able to chase you for the whole kittening map..

…yeah…fortunately i already lost all hopes months ago so i don’t care so much, i’ll just reroll ranger if needed, it’s easy to play and it takes a very short time to bring it on a tpvp level (3-4 hours in hotzerg aka custom arenas or whatever they are it’s more than enough, just to memorize the skillbar and cds)…not so much skills needed and good rewards for a cheap price..

btw i already said (Something like 2 months ago) that bunker char + dps pet is clearly nonsense since pets must follow their owner’s base points, you can’t just give a “pocket warrior” to a bunker….

Dps Spec = Dps Pet
Bunker\Condition Spec = Bunker\Condition Pet

No matter which animal you take, stats must always be based on owner’s ones.

But we all know…anet used to do 1 thing right (Ele nerf in this case) and screw up everything else with every patch…so not a big surprise after all..

You won’t reroll Ranger, Because it actually requires some amount of skill to play one.

gwawer.9805:

someone needs to go to anet office and tell them

This, but it’s because I’m sick and tired of getting things in my wvwvw and dungeons that are more for 5v5 stuff.

Separate everything already.

Archaon.6245:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Awhy the buff on pets?!?!

Because someone still managed to kill pets…
…But we all know…anet used to do 1 thing right (Ele nerf in this case)…

Felines got a 10% bump in life.
That’s literally it short of Sick ‘em getting a shorter CD
(pets can’t use F2 or switch targets or anything after you click Sick ’em or it cancels the pet dmg/speed buffs)

No AI buffs.
No more viable pets.

It’s the same game, just with nerfed eles.
And the ele nerf was a terrible way to go about it.
Plain and simple.
Hidden internal CDs are bad.
Nerfing cantrips by nerfing eles is bad.
Ruining the only good source of cleansing a class had without any sort of compensation, the class with the lowest hp in a condition dominated meta, is bad…

I main a condition ranger.

Anet seemingly has no idea what they are doing.
They seem to just be going to town just wack-a-moling anything they view as too good. Leaving classes as patchworks of bad utilities, niche balancing and hidden CDs.

Asomal.6453:

Well, it was uncalled. Anyway, can we at least put a range leash on those pets? Being chased for 2 mins straight, across all the map because their owner is clueless is not fun…

lol… alot of rangers tag a pet to a player as they go and cap a point; its definitely not ‘clueless’, and one of the advantages of having two half characters

It does not matter how hard-hitting pets are, because the AI is so horrible that if you are actually getting hit the issue lies with you..
Sure, Raven can crit for 6k with its F2 skill, but getting the pet in the correct position for it to land is almost impossible.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

I can never fully understand this change. I mean seriously? The last thing we needed in pvp was a horde of Shorbow auto-attack spamming/kiting ranger that spams bleeds and other conditions so fast, even Chuck Norris can’t keep up. Add to that an annoying hard to kill pet which now has improved HP and toughness and improved abilities that follows you like a twitter fanboy.

After the massive hit on eles, expect rangers to be dominating every match. Mark my words.

I’m no QQer but for the love of God, why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

Because Ranger pets need better pathing and better survivability.

garethh.3518:

Archaon.6245:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Awhy the buff on pets?!?!

Because someone still managed to kill pets…
…But we all know…anet used to do 1 thing right (Ele nerf in this case)…

Felines got a 10% bump in life.
That’s literally it short of Sick ‘em getting a shorter CD
(pets can’t use F2 or switch targets or anything after you click Sick ’em or it cancels the pet dmg/speed buffs)

No AI buffs.
No more viable pets.

It’s the same game, just with nerfed eles.
And the ele nerf was a terrible way to go about it.
Plain and simple.
Hidden internal CDs are bad.
Nerfing cantrips by nerfing eles is bad.
Ruining the only good source of cleansing a class had without any sort of compensation, the class with the lowest hp in a condition dominated meta, is bad…

I main a condition ranger.

Anet seemingly has no idea what they are doing.
They seem to just be going to town just wack-a-moling anything they view as too good. Leaving classes as patchworks of bad utilities, niche balancing and hidden CDs.

They didn’t nerf Eles too badly, they can still remove a lot of conditions in a quick burst. Just not as much as or as often as before.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

I can never fully understand this change. I mean seriously? The last thing we needed in pvp was a horde of Shorbow auto-attack spamming/kiting ranger that spams bleeds and other conditions so fast, even Chuck Norris can’t keep up. Add to that an annoying hard to kill pet which now has improved HP and toughness and improved abilities that follows you like a twitter fanboy.

After the massive hit on eles, expect rangers to be dominating every match. Mark my words.

I’m no QQer but for the love of God, why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

Guess we who must roam alone (and that is MANY of us who don’t have close-knit friends who play this darned game!) may have a chance out there, FINALLY.

So what? You will actually have to have a friend to take down a lowly Ranger – or pay the price – BOUT TIME ANET AND GOOD ON YOU!!!

WE who play ALONE, THANK YOU@!

its almost like separating PVE and PVP would fix all these problems… too bad we dont have the tech to OAHDOWHDOWHDAWDH WAIT A MINUTE

Xsorus.2507:

Archaon.6245:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Awhy the buff on pets?!?!

Because someone still managed to kill pets…but apparently pets must not die, their bunker specced ranger won’t die too so you’ve just better to give up cuz now we basically have a bunker ranger+tons of evades+conditions AND a dps pet with more tough and hp to face able to chase you for the whole kittening map..

…yeah…fortunately i already lost all hopes months ago so i don’t care so much, i’ll just reroll ranger if needed, it’s easy to play and it takes a very short time to bring it on a tpvp level (3-4 hours in hotzerg aka custom arenas or whatever they are it’s more than enough, just to memorize the skillbar and cds)…not so much skills needed and good rewards for a cheap price..

btw i already said (Something like 2 months ago) that bunker char + dps pet is clearly nonsense since pets must follow their owner’s base points, you can’t just give a “pocket warrior” to a bunker….

Dps Spec = Dps Pet
Bunker\Condition Spec = Bunker\Condition Pet

No matter which animal you take, stats must always be based on owner’s ones.

But we all know…anet used to do 1 thing right (Ele nerf in this case) and screw up everything else with every patch…so not a big surprise after all..

You won’t reroll Ranger, Because it actually requires some amount of skill to play one.

Not really, already made a bm for fun some weeks ago and wasn’t hard to play at all expec if you already play mesmer and you’re used to AI dmg dealing things and a lot of F skills spamming…and meanwhile you realize that pets deal the same amount of dmg of traited glass phantasms and they’re more tough than the mesmer himself…just saying..wanna complain about izerk’s dmg? Just take a look at a jaguar (+ stealth wtf)/raven first…while his owner is not a glass cannon at all…

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Gallrvaghn.4921:

… why the buff on pets?!?! Buff on spirits, yeah they sure needed it. But pets?! They needed to be toned down actually.

One word answer: Zoophilia

Keep your head on a swivel to look out for birds, and if you see a Jaguar go stealth, then run like hell.

Ranger doesn’t need to be anywhere near you to kill you, is not dependent on LoS to burst you and is immortal underwater (not that UW combat matters at the moment). Seems perfectly fair to me. At least we know already where the nerf bat is going to crash down next patch.

Yeah, I main ranger and feel extremely strong. I don’t get all the QQ on the ranger forums.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

After the massive hit on eles, expect rangers to be dominating every match. Mark my words.

omg…I LOL’d so hard! Linking this in the ranger forums to win the internet.

What was really funny was being on my ranger in WvW and seeing an ‘uplevel’ see me then run to a camp.

Pet goes in
Pet downs player
Pet kills player
Profit

Npc’s? Stood there with their thumbs up their kitten

Xsorus.2507:

You won’t reroll Ranger, Because it actually requires some amount of skill to play one.

I’m feeling how skill-based rangers can be when i’m running away from 2+ people or just from zerg. I’m feeling it in my back. Pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew-pew.

Oh no you need to hit a bear more, which already does awful damage.
Oh no you need to hit a cat two more times
Oh no the pets are so hard to avoid because of their smart AI

Dirame.8521:

They didn’t nerf Eles too badly, they can still remove a lot of conditions in a quick burst. Just not as much as or as often as before.

This wasn’t a class breaking nerf by any means.
Eles are still alive and kicking, the only burst of condition removal left is the fire cantrip, cover conditions can kitten the kitten out of eles that don’t take that cantrip now. Anyways Anet made a bad nerf with no compensation to eles to make anything else even slightly viable.

All those complaining about the pet boost need to realize that the biggest issue with pets is not related to PvE or PvP, but in fact to dungeons where they become absolutely useless in far too many cases, unless you do not send them into combat. This buff to pets unavoidably spreads everywhere.

I did happen to catch a developer talk about them looking into the idea of giving everyone a customized Hero pannel, in which you would be able to toggle between PvP/PvE/WvW/Dungeon tabs. This is to avoid having to pay for changing your build everytime you go into those environments, especially if you have not balanced your class out yet. This would be very useful because, if done propperly, it could help isolate balance issues that players find rather than have them spread everywhere because of a single nerf or buff to a profession.

Yea, they seriously need to split pvp and pve. I have no idea what ranger is like in pvp. But their pet survivability in pve, dungeons, and wvw was god-awful. The HP and toughness pet buff was meant to compensate for the pets dumb AI.

Straight from ranger’s forum here you are:

Ursan.7846:

Funny story. I was sPvPing yesterday. I was 1v2ing 2 mesmers. They burst me down pretty quickly. One mesmer leaves while the other remains to finish me off.

My dog KD’s him. Then I stop him with 2. Then I swap pet and my 2nd dog KD’s him. And suddenly, he’s down, and I’m 1-ing him to death while my dog revived me.

Ranger downed state is hilarious. I love it so much.

i think we all love it…right?

Archaon.6245:

Ursan.7846:

Funny story. I was sPvPing yesterday. I was 1v2ing 2 mesmers. They burst me down pretty quickly. One mesmer leaves while the other remains to finish me off.

My dog KD’s him. Then I stop him with 2. Then I swap pet and my 2nd dog KD’s him. And suddenly, he’s down, and I’m 1-ing him to death while my dog revived me.

Ranger downed state is hilarious. I love it so much.

i think we all love it…right?

1 dodge roll or distortion shatter.
L2P.

Btw I have completely killed a thief with my pets while in the downed state.
He ran in to stomp me, I 2’ed, he shadow refuged, I used wolf fear, he came back to stomp, wolf knocked down, he went to heal, I 2’ed again and swapped to the drakehound for another knockdown… he died….
I laughed for like 5 minutes.

Tons of heals, super dmg mitigation, tanky pets that hurt a lot, tons of arrows that make your own mitigation useless.

Pretty much king of 1v1 (maybe next to phantasm Mesmer which at least has no place in the meta unless its a niche team comp)

THEN WE ADD A PATCH TO MAKE THEIR PETS EVEN BETTER?

How is this not OP?