Guild Wars 2

excellent points. they really just needed to put a cap on quickness and prot. everything else was perfectly fine.

You need to copy/paste this into the thread for it on the ranger subforum. Give the devs more chances to see it.

Unholy Pillager.3791:

You need to copy/paste this into the thread for it on the ranger subforum. Give the devs more chances to see it.

Rangers don’t have a dev that supports us. Better it is here at least than it has a chance to get noticed.

Kitty.1502:

Unholy Pillager.3791:

You need to copy/paste this into the thread for it on the ranger subforum. Give the devs more chances to see it.

Rangers don’t have a dev that supports us. Better it is here at least than it has a chance to get noticed.

We got Irenio and on the Ranger forums we got several red posts from other Devs too.

I think our new toy got Booned.

I agree with the OP. The boon-sharing component of WHaO is essentially useless now. As far as PvP goes, this means that TU is essentially the only valid heal once again, which is a shame.

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

Tuomir.1830:

I think our new toy got Booned.

lol I like that ill start using it, cept this this case we got UN-booned, (badoom, chh)

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

Also, people are acting as if this skill was useless before the buff, yet Eurantien managed to make good use of it before this buff.

Belial.9350:

Also, people are acting as if this skill was useless before the buff, yet Eurantien managed to make good use of it before this buff.

so? Eura is on an amazing team that supports him as a ranger. Few have that, and a lot of rangers need the extra condi cleanse from Unguent traited by Wilderness knowledge. so many rangers have to go that route, and therefore cant always go with the builds that have less condi removal. He probably takes it solely for the short cooldown on it and RaO when traited. Not to mention Eura has gone though many builds since patch, so just because Eura uses it, doesn’t mean its godly.

It wasn’t useless before, no one is saying that. Find me a post that says that. I don’t think you are getting the point of why rangers are upset about this.

please copy/paste this on ranger Whao feed back thread

Zatoichi.1049:

It wasn’t useless before, no one is saying that. Find me a post that says that. I don’t think you are getting the point of why rangers are upset about this.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I agree with the OP. The boon-sharing component of WHaO is essentially useless now. As far as PvP goes, this means that TU is essentially the only valid heal once again, which is a shame.

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

No it’s not dude. You’re blinded by the state it was in before it was nerfed. You need to think of it this way: Before patch WHaO was a strong burst heal on a 16s cd that also provides swiftness and regen. It needed zero changes as the heal was fine the way it was. The overbuffed state of WHaO made it 10x better than any other heal Rangers had.

The buff it has now is extremely welcome to a heal that needed no changes. People are complaining and they are using this as a strawman to throw shade at Anet. Literally people are complaining because one of our heal skills got buffs that it didn’t need. If it’s worthless now then why don’t they just revert it back to what it was pre-patch. Guess we don’t even need the might it gives, or short duration of the boons since they are obviously worthless.

Mcrocha.3891:

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

No it’s not dude. You’re blinded by the state it was in before it was nerfed. You need to think of it this way: Before patch WHaO was a strong burst heal on a 16s cd that also provides swiftness and regen. It needed zero changes as the heal was fine the way it was. The overbuffed state of WHaO made it 10x better than any other heal Rangers had.

The buff it has now is extremely welcome to a heal that needed no changes. People are complaining and they are using this as a strawman to throw shade at Anet. Literally people are complaining because one of our heal skills got buffs that it didn’t need. If it’s worthless now then why don’t they just revert it back to what it was pre-patch. Guess we don’t even need the might it gives, or short duration of the boons since they are obviously worthless.

I also agree it was fine the way it was, but im not gonna sit here and ignore what ANET did, and I don’t think you should either. Reading the forums, I think you are in the minority of those who feel like the current version is a welcome buff, so much as a pointless buff, when ranger has so many other issues that have been ignored. Their aim when balancing ranger seems to be consistently off-base. Honestly, the fact that a skill did get buffs that didn’t need it is one of the issues. Its current version is just a little icing on top of a skill that was already used but in general doesn’t get at the core of the ranger issues. You do have to spec to get the swiftness and regen in BM too, its not inherent of the heal, which is a tough choice btw cuz blind on f2 is very good for pvp as well. People are upset at that, in addition to ANETS lack of attention to detail when it comes to ranger, not really the buff/nerf itself. I jus don’t think you are truly seeing what the ranger community is upset about..

btw, I have silently agreed with many of your points in the hundreds of posts within the past couple days, so don’t think im one of the ones who is flaming you. Keep that in mind when responding to me plz

Mcrocha.3891:

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

No it’s not dude. You’re blinded by the state it was in before it was nerfed. You need to think of it this way: Before patch WHaO was a strong burst heal on a 16s cd that also provides swiftness and regen. It needed zero changes as the heal was fine the way it was. The overbuffed state of WHaO made it 10x better than any other heal Rangers had.

The buff it has now is extremely welcome to a heal that needed no changes. People are complaining and they are using this as a strawman to throw shade at Anet. Literally people are complaining because one of our heal skills got buffs that it didn’t need. If it’s worthless now then why don’t they just revert it back to what it was pre-patch. Guess we don’t even need the might it gives, or short duration of the boons since they are obviously worthless.

The skill is buffed compared to a week ago. Even if the boon duration would’ve been in the milliseconds range, it would still be a buff compared to a week ago. Useless buff, but still a buff, right?

Point is, if they go ahead and put the time and effort in, to change skills, in this case bring new functionality and buffing it, why not actually make that change worthwhile?

The first version was too strong. The current version is close to useless (not the actual heal of course, not talking about that here).

I hope the devs, if they decide this functionality should stay, at least tweak the duration timers.

Belial.9350:

Zatoichi.1049:

It wasn’t useless before, no one is saying that. Find me a post that says that. I don’t think you are getting the point of why rangers are upset about this.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I agree with the OP. The boon-sharing component of WHaO is essentially useless now. As far as PvP goes, this means that TU is essentially the only valid heal once again, which is a shame.

kudos. though my point about Eura is valid

Was it op? Imho not really. It had a hard counter in condis and made the pet a credible threat. The fact they let so much sit for months (PU, RoF, etc.) but toss out this nerf quick seems strange. In reality a few players got hit by it and I guess they didn’t want to deal with the complaining.

Zatoichi.1049:

Belial.9350:

Zatoichi.1049:

It wasn’t useless before, no one is saying that. Find me a post that says that. I don’t think you are getting the point of why rangers are upset about this.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I agree with the OP. The boon-sharing component of WHaO is essentially useless now. As far as PvP goes, this means that TU is essentially the only valid heal once again, which is a shame.

kudos. though my point about Eura is valid

Have you actually done the math and compared the heals properly? Here, Eura has even done it for you: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Why-was-WHaO-buffed-in-the-first-place

Belial.9350:

Zatoichi.1049:

Belial.9350:

Zatoichi.1049:

It wasn’t useless before, no one is saying that. Find me a post that says that. I don’t think you are getting the point of why rangers are upset about this.

Rising Dusk.2408:

I agree with the OP. The boon-sharing component of WHaO is essentially useless now. As far as PvP goes, this means that TU is essentially the only valid heal once again, which is a shame.

kudos. though my point about Eura is valid

Have you actually done the math and compared the heals properly? Here, Eura has even done it for you: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Why-was-WHaO-buffed-in-the-first-place

I don’t even need to look at that link, cuz PvP isn’t about math. Eura plays on a team that the majority of the PvP population will never experience. So just because It works for Eura, doesn’t mean its “the best” as he says, and you seem to think. I will certainly not be the best to everyone, because everyone plays on a different level, in different pvp modes, with different people of different levels. He can afford to run it because he says, to paraphrase, ’doesn’t need the extra condi cleanse and fury from TU’ and would rather have the mobility offered through the Swiftness of Resounding Timbre , then through other means. That doesn’t make it the best, it means the environment he plays in is conducive to his build decisions, and that he, like the rest of us, has a preference for an effective build.

Eura is an amazing player, one of the best, but Ive beaten himr 1v1, Longbow to longbow before in hotjoin, so that tells me that him playing on his team is where he is the strongest. He is not the be-all-end-all deciding factor in determining what is the best

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

No it’s not dude. You’re blinded by the state it was in before it was nerfed. You need to think of it this way: Before patch WHaO was a strong burst heal on a 16s cd that also provides swiftness and regen. It needed zero changes as the heal was fine the way it was. The overbuffed state of WHaO made it 10x better than any other heal Rangers had.

The buff it has now is extremely welcome to a heal that needed no changes. People are complaining and they are using this as a strawman to throw shade at Anet. Literally people are complaining because one of our heal skills got buffs that it didn’t need. If it’s worthless now then why don’t they just revert it back to what it was pre-patch. Guess we don’t even need the might it gives, or short duration of the boons since they are obviously worthless.

I also agree it was fine the way it was, but im not gonna sit here and ignore what ANET did, and I don’t think you should either. Reading the forums, I think you are in the minority of those who feel like the current version is a welcome buff, so much as a pointless buff, when ranger has so many other issues that have been ignored. Their aim when balancing ranger seems to be consistently off-base. Honestly, the fact that a skill did get buffs that didn’t need it is one of the issues. Its current version is just a little icing on top of a skill that was already used but in general doesn’t get at the core of the ranger issues. You do have to spec to get the swiftness and regen in BM too, its not inherent of the heal, which is a tough choice btw cuz blind on f2 is very good for pvp as well. People are upset at that, in addition to ANETS lack of attention to detail when it comes to ranger, not really the buff/nerf itself. I jus don’t think you are truly seeing what the ranger community is upset about..

btw, I have silently agreed with many of your points in the hundreds of posts within the past couple days, so don’t think im one of the ones who is flaming you. Keep that in mind when responding to me plz

Fine I apologize if I offended you in any way, but I am fairly certain I know why the Ranger community is upset and it is because of an issue that is unrelated to WHaO which you probably agree with. People are mad because of a perceived lack of communication by Anet. I don’t think that this is the way to do it though, it makes the community look like whiny and aggressive.

Mcrocha.3891:

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Zatoichi.1049:

Mcrocha.3891:

Belial.9350:

It’s still stronger than it was 2 weeks ago…

Exactly this. Before the patch everyone thought it would logically work like Fortifying Bond and thus would be a nice little buff to a skill that didn’t need to be changed at all. Since there was an oversight however, and WHaO was buffed to unintended levels, the majority of the people posting on the forums seem to believe that they were done some major injustice. Much a do about nothing really.

its an irrelevant buff dude, kinda live MDG, and the historic aquaman buffs

No it’s not dude. You’re blinded by the state it was in before it was nerfed. You need to think of it this way: Before patch WHaO was a strong burst heal on a 16s cd that also provides swiftness and regen. It needed zero changes as the heal was fine the way it was. The overbuffed state of WHaO made it 10x better than any other heal Rangers had.

The buff it has now is extremely welcome to a heal that needed no changes. People are complaining and they are using this as a strawman to throw shade at Anet. Literally people are complaining because one of our heal skills got buffs that it didn’t need. If it’s worthless now then why don’t they just revert it back to what it was pre-patch. Guess we don’t even need the might it gives, or short duration of the boons since they are obviously worthless.

I also agree it was fine the way it was, but im not gonna sit here and ignore what ANET did, and I don’t think you should either. Reading the forums, I think you are in the minority of those who feel like the current version is a welcome buff, so much as a pointless buff, when ranger has so many other issues that have been ignored. Their aim when balancing ranger seems to be consistently off-base. Honestly, the fact that a skill did get buffs that didn’t need it is one of the issues. Its current version is just a little icing on top of a skill that was already used but in general doesn’t get at the core of the ranger issues. You do have to spec to get the swiftness and regen in BM too, its not inherent of the heal, which is a tough choice btw cuz blind on f2 is very good for pvp as well. People are upset at that, in addition to ANETS lack of attention to detail when it comes to ranger, not really the buff/nerf itself. I jus don’t think you are truly seeing what the ranger community is upset about..

btw, I have silently agreed with many of your points in the hundreds of posts within the past couple days, so don’t think im one of the ones who is flaming you. Keep that in mind when responding to me plz

Fine I apologize if I offended you in any way, but I am fairly certain I know why the Ranger community is upset and it is because of an issue that is unrelated to WHaO which you probably agree with. People are mad because of a perceived lack of communication by Anet. I don’t think that this is the way to do it though, it makes the community look like whiny and aggressive.

its cool. I think many things contribute outside of communication

• “Buffing” us in areas where we don’t need buffs (infamous aquaman patch)
• ignoring the core issues of ranger (pet, lack of synergy between trait lines, making us healers to be competitive/have a role)
• not communicating with the base (as you said)
• giving us things that were clearly not thought out, and taking it away almost instantly (they have done that at least 3 times I can remember), even though stuff like D/D and PU Mesmer went on for months.
• Making jokes about Rangers and being on a vendetta to keep them less than competitive (Peters, Roy)
• having the worst set of utilities across classes (signets were total kitten til recent patch, shouts are garbage outside of 2, the 2 that weren’t shouts pre-patch, Spirits are beyond useless, and of course the trap nerf making them unthrowable, having no dual -funtionaility to be able to run a trap build effectively)
• Strong nerf history, when we almost always were in need of buffs

+1 Zatoichi, spot on.

Especially this: “giving us things that were clearly not thought out, and taking it away almost instantly (they have done that at least 3 times I can remember), even though stuff like D/D and PU Mesmer went on for months.”

Nerf to Natural Healing, anyone? After three years, they removed the healing to the ranger part of this trait. Guess that trait was sooo op. Just to name one…