Guild Wars 2

KumaTazZ.8054:

All I see is a newb that doesn’t know how to play warrior try to prove that warrior is not OP.

Well if warrior was so OP he wouldn’t have failed regardless if noob .

Isn’t that the whole point of being OP ?

A lot of effort went into what I’m going to have to put down as the silliest kitten I’ve ever seen.

Where to even start? Let’s go with the part where you complain about condition removal on banner bunker. “Banner regen” doesn’t mean LITERALLY 4 BANNERS in your slots. You get permanent regen bar ~5 seconds downtime with 1 banner, you don’t need kittening four. Try zerkers stance and lyssa runes in other slots.

On top of that, invest in movement and dodging occasionally. You just stood in his mess of minions taking hits.

Errant Venture.9371:

That’s the definition of an anecdote. You’re trying convince others to accept your opinion about warriors BASED ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE not based on QUANTIFIABLE, IMPARTIAL EVIDENCE.

zzz, trying to explain logical analysis to people on the internet.

You mean the same way people try to convince others Warrior is OP through word of mouth and their personal experience? You’re trying to shut down someone with a video of actual gameplay to back some of their points, but believe people going around stating Warrior is OP because of x, y, and z are fine? Even though they offer nothing but stories? Seems legit.

As it currently stands all evidence of the Warrior being OP is anecdotal at best, at least I have the decency to go and record actual gameplay. I’ve even got other videos of tournament play where you can see that I’m not carrying entire teams and facerolling the enemy due to my class alone.

You’re pretty much saying we should throw at all complaints about Warriors because it’s all anecdotal. The logic works both ways. You should probably try to argue without hurting your cause.

Jax.5261:

This is absolutely appallingly bad gameplay.
By face-roll people mean really easy to play, you can make a load of mistakes and not be punished, you can not really know what you’re doing and still win and you don’t have to pay much attention to the enemy to deal with them.

If you were any other class (or warrior before patch) you would’ve lasted ~20seconds.

• You waste EVERY SINGLE dodge roll
• You waste EVERY SINGLE defensive skill
• You have no idea how to keep damage up on your enemy
• You have no idea how to kite
• You don’t know what/how to dodge
• You don’t know combinations of attacks

That was an awful, awful video. I’m holding back so much more due to the forum rules but you are the one who posted it as ‘proof’.

The ONLY reason you survived nearly as long as you did was because the warrior is broken currently, not beyond fixing but enough to impact the game quite a lot. You literally showcased the opposite of what you were trying to do and embarrassed yourself in the process.

Awesome.

I’d say given my, what so many consider bad, gameplay I was punished severely. Even with how “overpowered” the class I was using is. You do pretty much nothing but say how bad I am and state the reasons people consider the Warrior OP, or rather why you believe they think it’s OP, but if it were truly a faceroll class should I not have done better? Even with my horrible gameplay? Shouldn’t I have been punished far less for mistiming dodges and not landing damaging hits or burst skills as much as I should have?

To everyone else posting: Feel free to post videos of how Warriors are OP. I’m sure others would love to seem them, the same way I would.

10/10 would laugh at OPs terrible video again.

Seriously, that video proved nothing, except that you lost against an MM 1v1.

Zanryu.3417:

Errant Venture.9371:

That’s the definition of an anecdote. You’re trying convince others to accept your opinion about warriors BASED ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE not based on QUANTIFIABLE, IMPARTIAL EVIDENCE.

zzz, trying to explain logical analysis to people on the internet.

You mean the same way people try to convince others Warrior is OP through word of mouth and their personal experience? You’re trying to shut down someone with a video of actual gameplay to back some of their points, but believe people going around stating Warrior is OP because of x, y, and z are fine? Even though they offer nothing but stories? Seems legit.

As it currently stands all evidence of the Warrior being OP is anecdotal at best, at least I have the decency to go and record actual gameplay. I’ve even got other videos of tournament play where you can see that I’m not carrying entire teams and facerolling the enemy due to my class alone.

You’re pretty much saying we should throw at all complaints about Warriors because it’s all anecdotal. The logic works both ways. You should probably try to argue without hurting your cause.

Jax.5261:

This is absolutely appallingly bad gameplay.
By face-roll people mean really easy to play, you can make a load of mistakes and not be punished, you can not really know what you’re doing and still win and you don’t have to pay much attention to the enemy to deal with them.

If you were any other class (or warrior before patch) you would’ve lasted ~20seconds.

• You waste EVERY SINGLE dodge roll
• You waste EVERY SINGLE defensive skill
• You have no idea how to keep damage up on your enemy
• You have no idea how to kite
• You don’t know what/how to dodge
• You don’t know combinations of attacks

That was an awful, awful video. I’m holding back so much more due to the forum rules but you are the one who posted it as ‘proof’.

The ONLY reason you survived nearly as long as you did was because the warrior is broken currently, not beyond fixing but enough to impact the game quite a lot. You literally showcased the opposite of what you were trying to do and embarrassed yourself in the process.

Awesome.

I’d say given my, what so many consider bad, gameplay I was punished severely. Even with how “overpowered” the class I was using is. You do pretty much nothing but say how bad I am and state the reasons people consider the Warrior OP, or rather why you believe they think it’s OP, but if it were truly a faceroll class should I not have done better? Even with my horrible gameplay? Shouldn’t I have been punished far less for mistiming dodges and not landing damaging hits or burst skills as much as I should have?

To everyone else posting: Feel free to post videos of how Warriors are OP. I’m sure others would love to seem them, the same way I would.

You didn’t read anything at all,
the reason you didn’t fail MUCH, MUCH harder is because you were a warrior. You effectively just stood still, I just…. wow…
You argument may as well be “guys warrior isn’t OP, I can’t win while afk” well no you can’t you have to press some buttons in the right order but most normal mistakes will be unpunished or the punishment is negligible.

You don’t have game sense to really be commenting on this.

Jax.5261:

You didn’t read anything at all,
the reason you didn’t fail MUCH, MUCH harder is because you were a warrior. You effectively just stood still, I just…. wow…
You argument may as well be “guys warrior isn’t OP, I can’t win while afk” well no you can’t you have to press some buttons in the right order but most normal mistakes will be unpunished or the punishment is negligible.

You don’t have game sense to really be commenting on this.

It would seem you didn’t read much at all either, you still don’t state why you feel your viewpoint is valid. You don’t state why Warrior is actually overpowered, your post comes down to “u just stand der n die so u sux n warrior is still OP”. Tell me why the class is OP.

Even if I didn’t play that well, it should have been cushioned far more with how broken the mechanics of a Warrior supposedly are. However, as you saw, Healing Signet+Adrenal Health+Bersker Stance didn’t actually save me. The fight still ended in the Necromancer’s favor.

Which is kind of the point of this thread. To show that what people believe is overpowered and broken actually isn’t.

…Still waiting on that video evidence to the contrary.

op for your sake pl stop posting the only thing that was BUSTED! is your credibility and dignity.
i would say why in details but jax already covered that pretty much.

poor qulity video of a warrior that plays a silly build a got of the net vs one of the strongest 1v1 build out there eating everything the necro dish out not doing any dmg and not capitalizing on nothing and still survive for that long on passive play.
i get the feeling the meaning of overpowered for him is to not get down from 90% hp and oneshot ppl when he plays like that./facepalm

Zanryu.3417:

Jax.5261:

You didn’t read anything at all,
the reason you didn’t fail MUCH, MUCH harder is because you were a warrior. You effectively just stood still, I just…. wow…
You argument may as well be “guys warrior isn’t OP, I can’t win while afk” well no you can’t you have to press some buttons in the right order but most normal mistakes will be unpunished or the punishment is negligible.

You don’t have game sense to really be commenting on this.

It would seem you didn’t read much at all either, you still don’t state why you feel your viewpoint is valid. You don’t state why Warrior is actually overpowered, your post comes down to “u just stand der n die so u sux n warrior is still OP”. Tell me why the class is OP.

Even if I didn’t play that well, it should have been cushioned far more with how broken the mechanics of a Warrior supposedly are. However, as you saw, Healing Signet+Adrenal Health+Bersker Stance didn’t actually save me. The fight still ended in the Necromancer’s favor.

Which is kind of the point of this thread. To show that what people believe is overpowered and broken actually isn’t.

…Still waiting on that video evidence to the contrary.

Just google it, I don’t watch other peoples’ streams and I don’t stream Warrior gameplay myself, you’re so lazy.

The fight was super cushioned for you, you were just vastly inferior in skill level (which is saying something because the Necro wasn’t good either). You got outplayed completely, but if you had any game sense you wouldn’t have been due to the Warrior being so strong atm.

Lighter.5631:

lol, you are no more intelligent than any one by throwing that kind of bull crap.
you can give any argument and have better result than this BS. all those top team quit because of warrior being so op? lol k, stupid, get those crap back to your mouth.

There is pretty much the whole higher tier of the competitive scene saying that Warriors are OP.

I don’t know how you would dismiss their opinion, the opinion of half the community and the whole reasoning behind it and consider the video in the OP a more valid proof of Warriors’ state.

Ahuba is right, at this point it isn’t worth anymore arguing with you.

i dont think warriors are OP and i’m sure other people think the same way.

stop making the dev’s think that the majority of players have the same thinking like you do. warriors die in group fights and also 1v1.

i bet most of you whine just for the sake of whining. lol

Valentin.2073:

i dont think warriors are OP and i’m sure other people think the same way.

stop making the dev’s think that the majority of players have the same thinking like you do. warriors die in group fights and also 1v1.

i bet most of you whine just for the sake of whining. lol

You clearly have no clue.
Uh, no wait. According to your post history, you might be a troll.

Valentin.2073:

i play on tpvp, hotjoin and occasionally on duel servers so dont tell me i dont have a clue. i dont see people crying about how warriors are OP IG, just here on forums.

i think warriors population is growing because it got balanced from how underpowered it was before. if the mods think warriors are OP, i’m sure they could already have done something to fix it.

They have already fixed the sigil of paralyzation to indirectly nerf warriors. Now, according to dev, they are “watching the meta” to see how it evolves.
They know Warriors are OP, but they are waiting to see if any counter grows up to push them out of the meta but, until now, nothing has been found and their population is still growing.

You say that you see none complaining about Warriors in PvP? That’s probably because half of them have already rerolled. I’ve met some of them having a name such as “Warriors are op” or something similiar and in the mists there is sometimes people discussing on how warriors are OP.

Of course people don’t spend their ingame time complaining about warriors because, you know, they play ingame instead of discussing, which is something people prefer to do on a discussion forum.

good point. but i still say that this issue is getting blown out of proportions. i dont feel unhappy about what warriors were rewarded. it’s all cool to me.

btw, whats OP to you? i see warriors getting killed on 1v1 and team fights. if i see a warrior kill 2 players at the same time then i will agree that they are OP. do you have any video to show that?

Zanryu.3417:

Hello everyone, there have been many complaints about the Warrior class. How Healing Signet + Adrenal Health provide too much healing, how Cleansing Ire is too good at removing conditions, how Banner Regen Warriors are virtually unkillable, and I’m here to put a stop to this nonsense.

Warriors can die. Here’s the proof. Show me those Warriors that are carrying teams by themselves and winning 4v1s on video. Or really anything that shows how OP they are, rather than theorycrafting and telling stories about what happened. Sure, stories can give us some idea of what’s going on, but we don’t know the exact situations.

In other words… watch this video.

So let me get this straight, your irrefutable evidence is terrible gameplay. I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw the random evade and the back peddling. What are you going for, worst warrior in North America?

Time to close this thread,coming from me that says something ^^

i agree that a warrior’s longbow is extremely powerful. i think that aspect should be nerfed but thats about it.

This video is epic

lol

This doesnt proof anything, because you cant play and what are the builds you used?

Myth1: Healing signed is OP, it is the strongest heal ingame, even troll unguent heals only 340 hps and needs to be activated. All your quotes say HS + AH+ CI is op, only the last quote doesnt say HS + AH + CI. Btw for such a bad skill, you survived impressively lond, how long would other classes need to be killed?

Myth2: Why do you place 4 banners? one is enough for a 100% regen uptime. Then you could use endure pain, or other skills.
In the second fight, you did nothing, only placed your banners and turned you back to the thief…

All I can say is learn to play….. you are the weakest warrior I have ever seen. I think it took you more skill to play bad on purpose than simply playing a warrior.

All you try to do is playing things down and only see every skill at its own. But you have to watch the whole warrior skillset. Its the whole synergie in every skill a warrior has (you totaly forgot endure pain) and that a warrior has nearly nothing to sacrifice if he plays one build or another.

Again, your video doesnt proof anything at all, only you are a bad player

E: in your other videos you can play a warrior and even kill people…. very interesting

Zanryu.3417:

Errant Venture.9371:

I don’t think you understand what an anecdote or anecdotal evidence are. Look up the difference between Anecdotal and Empirical evidence.

Not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

I’m not giving you a story based on my personal account, I’m showing you a video of a Warrior in action. That’s not anecdotal. What most people say about Warriors? That’s anecdotal. They offer no proof nor argument as to why what they say is true, all you here is “Warrior is OP. Signet is OP. Warrior does it all. Please nerf. Warrior’s OP”.

THAT is anecdotal.

Unfortunately, your claims are totally anecdotal, there is nothing empirical in the way you presented your argument. In fact you present no proof or argument.

I don’t think warriors are totally OP-although they are much more forgiving now than they were before buffs, and in the hands of a great player are devastating, but what you have shown us is not empirical proof that warrior is OP or not OP. Its just one persons view of warrior fighting two builds- in the first case not applying the right pressure on the necro, and in the second case fighting a build that can actually consistently take on a warrior if played right (and being well outplayed in both cases).

Let me give you an example of what I mean. A while back, ele was nerfed fairly hard. It was seen by the community as very OP. And it was (certain builds anyway). At the time I tried to play this OP build, but I couldn’t do the OP stuff (they were practically unkillable with huge mobility and could also do decent damage). I just wasn’t good at it. If I had made a video of me failing at ele, it wouldn’t have proven ele’s were not OP. It would have just been embarrassing.

All I see is great warrior gameplay (stop hating on the dude guys, you shouldnt be mean to people because they are stupid).

Thanks OP nice video, keep it up

Zanryu-3417 you are other clueless and writing falsehoods or doing it on purpose to try and make your argument stronger.

A Guardian with Hammer Mace Shield does NOT have a blind. He does NOT have a 3 hit block. He does NOT have 2 forms of invulnerability, where do you make this up?
Renewed Focus is a 2 second Invulnerability on a 90s cool down, Endure Pain is far better! Where is the magical extra 3 second invulnerability?

My one question… Why can warriors reliably cleanse more conditions more often than guardians who are supposed to be the “tanky” hard to kill come at me bro class… Why are virtually no warrior condition clearing traits in GM when guardians most preferred is and it relies on guards slotting 3 specific skills and a rune set just to keep up. Why can warriors heal better than guardians over time wihtout putting anything into healing power while the guard has to sacrifice everything to try and get good heals….

Lastly why does warrior have the best and longest access to self stability and the most access to hard CC on the shortest CDs….

Right now this is why I don’t play pvp since the beginning of oct its either stun meta or condi meta and on several occasions you face a stun/condi combo team… Its ridiculous. Fix your PVP anet.

Ugruk.4069:

All I see is great warrior gameplay (stop hating on the dude guys, you shouldnt be mean to people because they are stupid).

Thanks OP nice video, keep it up

dont call him stupid because he’s not. he might have said something that you dont agree with but that didnt make him less intelligent than you.

i agree with what he said. warriors are not that op. i see them get killed 1v1 all the time.

Clearly a OP class played at an unbearably low level against its supposed counter will prove your point….

Your level of play in the video is to low for anyone to conclude anything.

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

There is a clear difference between being a bad to mediocre player and completely brainded.
You’re right, playing warrior doesn’t carry braindead players in PvP. Actually, there are some footages of warrior carrying braindead players in WvW tho.

The video is complely spoilt.
The OP did not trigger cleansing ire once in some fights.
The OP didn’t even try to kill minions, he just ate all the damage.
The OP is bad even at spamming burst skill on cooldown.
The OP is running with 3 banners for no apparent reason.

Long story short: the OP acted (I seriously hope that for him) completely brain-dead on purpose in order to prove a wrong point and, as far as I know, Warrior doesn’t carry brain-dead players, but only bad players.

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

It doesn’t take skill to play it. It takes knowledge to understand how to build it. I just watched OP’s massive fail and he just flat out isn’t good at gw2. You cannot use this as an example to say “Hey, if you suck you’ll lose even with warrior—but just barely!” Is that really the perspective you want to defend?

Here is what (if I had time to waste) my response to OP would be:
- I make a video of 2 warriors fighting each other by recording from each side,
- Open two topics in parallel: “Lol warrior is OP and wins fight – see proof” and “Lol warrior OP is myth – see video proof” using appropriate footage.

How OP could think for a minute that this is proof of anything is beyond me.

sorrow.2364:

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

There is a clear difference between being a bad to mediocre player and completely brainded.
You’re right, playing warrior doesn’t carry braindead players in PvP. Actually, there are some footages of warrior carrying braindead players in WvW tho.

The video is complely spoilt.
The OP did not trigger cleansing ire once in some fights.
The OP didn’t even try to kill minions, he just ate all the damage.
The OP is bad even at spamming burst skill on cooldown.
The OP is running with 3 banners for no apparent reason.

Long story short: the OP acted (I seriously hope that for him) completely brain-dead on purpose in order to prove a wrong point and, as far as I know, Warrior doesn’t carry brain-dead players, but only bad players.

Weak are bad/low average players, and of course braindead people are included. So you are trying to say that those who dont dodge, evade, blind earthshaker are also braindead players? Or those who dont take stun breakers are also braindead players?
Or those who have good access to poison and dont use it is also braindead?

The OP failed some burst skills because he was blinded, in my opinion he fighted a good necro and not a braindead one as you would say.

I have one sugestion for people who think that warrior is OP.

Make a vídeo of yourself being beaten by one warrior, post it here and we will tell you what you did wrong (in case you dont se it by yourself of course).

silentnight warrior.2714:

I have one sugestion for people who think that warrior is OP.

Make a vídeo of yourself being beaten by one warrior, post it here and we will tell you what you did wrong (in case you dont se it by yourself of course).

So you know all the professions well enough to explain what builds and weapons to use to counter either sword or hammer/longbow warriors? Why not just spare us the games and list them all out here Mr Big Talk?

Chopps.5047:

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

It doesn’t take skill to play it. It takes knowledge to understand how to build it. I just watched OP’s massive fail and he just flat out isn’t good at gw2. You cannot use this as an example to say “Hey, if you suck you’ll lose even with warrior—but just barely!” Is that really the perspective you want to defend?

I assume that you are a person who can understant that build and can win, without skill, to that necro?

Chopps.5047:

silentnight warrior.2714:

I have one sugestion for people who think that warrior is OP.

Make a vídeo of yourself being beaten by one warrior, post it here and we will tell you what you did wrong (in case you dont se it by yourself of course).

So you know all the professions well enough to explain what builds and weapons to use to counter either sword or hammer/longbow warriors? Why not just spare us the games and list them all out here Mr Big Talk?

Where is your vídeo?

silentnight warrior.2714:

Chopps.5047:

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

It doesn’t take skill to play it. It takes knowledge to understand how to build it. I just watched OP’s massive fail and he just flat out isn’t good at gw2. You cannot use this as an example to say “Hey, if you suck you’ll lose even with warrior—but just barely!” Is that really the perspective you want to defend?

I assume that you are a person who can understant that build and can win, without skill, to that necro?

No don’t change the topic. You were about to explain in detail, profession by profession, how to beat the OP warrior specs. I’m listening.

Chopps.5047:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Chopps.5047:

silentnight warrior.2714:

After reading this posts people should finaly see that:

-It takes skill to play warrior. (people say it dont require: Busted)
-This class dont carry weak players. (people say it does: Busted)

The funny part its people that says the warrior in the video is weak are telling all other players the above.

And tho those who said that OP can’t compare classes what are you doing when you compare warriors sustain to other classes? Busted.

It doesn’t take skill to play it. It takes knowledge to understand how to build it. I just watched OP’s massive fail and he just flat out isn’t good at gw2. You cannot use this as an example to say “Hey, if you suck you’ll lose even with warrior—but just barely!” Is that really the perspective you want to defend?

I assume that you are a person who can understant that build and can win, without skill, to that necro?

No don’t change the topic. You were about to explain in detail, profession by profession, how to beat the OP warrior specs. I’m listening.

Where is YOUR vídeo?

Wait… the war can just spam mash buttons and win I thought? So this guy should have won no problem.

Rufy.6093:

Wait… the war can just spam mash buttons and win I thought? So this guy should have won no problem.

That myth was already busted….

silentnight warrior.2714:

Weak are bad/low average players, and of course braindead people are included. So you are trying to say that those who dont dodge, evade, blind earthshaker are also braindead players? Or those who dont take stun breakers are also braindead players?
Or those who have good access to poison and dont use it is also braindead?

The OP failed some burst skills because he was blinded, in my opinion he fighted a good necro and not a braindead one as you would say.

Braindead players are of course included into the “bad” category, but you seems to lack the logic to realize that people are saying that you need to be “from bad and above” to be effective as a Warrior, since there is an order in the skill level category.

Braindead is below bad, so it is not affected by that statement.

Blind earthshaker and dodging it is what makes the difference between a bad-mediocre player to a good player.

Rufy.6093:

Wait… the war can just spam mash buttons and win I thought? So this guy should have won no problem.

No, because he even failed at it.
He wasn’t even able to spam burst skill on recharge or properly target his enemy.
He wasn’t even able to just move while attacking. He was just sitting, standing still.

Those are the base knowledge of GW2 PvP and the OP clearly lacks them.

sorrow.2364:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Weak are bad/low average players, and of course braindead people are included. So you are trying to say that those who dont dodge, evade, blind earthshaker are also braindead players? Or those who dont take stun breakers are also braindead players?
Or those who have good access to poison and dont use it is also braindead?

The OP failed some burst skills because he was blinded, in my opinion he fighted a good necro and not a braindead one as you would say.

Braindead players are of course included into the “bad” category, but you seems to lack the logic to realize that people are saying that you need to be “from bad and above” to be effective as a Warrior, since there is an order in the skill level category.

Braindead is below bad, so it is not affected by that statement.

Blind earthshaker and dodging it is what makes the difference between a bad-mediocre player to a good player.

So we agree (i think) that he fighted a good necro.
The warrior fighted the way people say in this forum that its enough to baddies win against good players. That was proven wrong.

silentnight warrior.2714:

The warrior fighted the way people say in this forum that its enough to baddies win against good players. That was proven wrong.

Baddies beating good players =/= Downies beating good players.

silentnight warrior.2714:

So we agree (i think) that he fighted a good necro.
The warrior fighted the way people say in this forum that its enough to baddies win against good players. That was proven wrong.

What Zencow said.

whyme.3281:

This doesnt proof anything, because you cant play and what are the builds you used?

Myth1: Healing signed is OP, it is the strongest heal ingame, even troll unguent heals only 340 hps and needs to be activated. All your quotes say HS + AH+ CI is op, only the last quote doesnt say HS + AH + CI. Btw for such a bad skill, you survived impressively lond, how long would other classes need to be killed?

Myth2: Why do you place 4 banners? one is enough for a 100% regen uptime. Then you could use endure pain, or other skills.
In the second fight, you did nothing, only placed your banners and turned you back to the thief…

All I can say is learn to play….. you are the weakest warrior I have ever seen. I think it took you more skill to play bad on purpose than simply playing a warrior.

All you try to do is playing things down and only see every skill at its own. But you have to watch the whole warrior skillset. Its the whole synergie in every skill a warrior has (you totaly forgot endure pain) and that a warrior has nearly nothing to sacrifice if he plays one build or another.

Again, your video doesnt proof anything at all, only you are a bad player

E: in your other videos you can play a warrior and even kill people…. very interesting

So… first I hear just anyone can pick up a Warrior and win, now I’m hearing they have to actually know how and when to use their skills? Your side really needs to make up its mind for an argument. This is getting inconsistent.

Yasha.5963:

Unfortunately, your claims are totally anecdotal, there is nothing empirical in the way you presented your argument. In fact you present no proof or argument.

I don’t think warriors are totally OP-although they are much more forgiving now than they were before buffs, and in the hands of a great player are devastating, but what you have shown us is not empirical proof that warrior is OP or not OP. Its just one persons view of warrior fighting two builds- in the first case not applying the right pressure on the necro, and in the second case fighting a build that can actually consistently take on a warrior if played right (and being well outplayed in both cases).

Let me give you an example of what I mean. A while back, ele was nerfed fairly hard. It was seen by the community as very OP. And it was (certain builds anyway). At the time I tried to play this OP build, but I couldn’t do the OP stuff (they were practically unkillable with huge mobility and could also do decent damage). I just wasn’t good at it. If I had made a video of me failing at ele, it wouldn’t have proven ele’s were not OP. It would have just been embarrassing.

Many are claiming Warrior can be played with high levels of success with little skill. Even if my gameplay sucks the video is still a valid representation of how Warriors aren’t as broken as people believe.

Ezrael.6859:

Zanryu-3417 you are other clueless and writing falsehoods or doing it on purpose to try and make your argument stronger.

A Guardian with Hammer Mace Shield does NOT have a blind. He does NOT have a 3 hit block. He does NOT have 2 forms of invulnerability, where do you make this up?
Renewed Focus is a 2 second Invulnerability on a 90s cool down, Endure Pain is far better! Where is the magical extra 3 second invulnerability?

Sword 2 has a blind. Though admittedly, I was tired when posting and mixed Focus and Shield skills. The have two Blinds, a 3 hit Block, a Launch, and the ability to keep people out of a certain area. I was tried while posting but you seem to lack basic knowledge of the class. Renewed Focus grants 3 seconds of Invulnerability while Shelter provides a 2 second Block. That totals 5 seconds, along with restoring Virtues and giving a decent heal.

Have to double post. Character limit is as OP as Warriors man.

sorrow.2364:

There is a clear difference between being a bad to mediocre player and completely brainded.
You’re right, playing warrior doesn’t carry braindead players in PvP. Actually, there are some footages of warrior carrying braindead players in WvW tho.

The video is complely spoilt.
The OP did not trigger cleansing ire once in some fights.
The OP didn’t even try to kill minions, he just ate all the damage.
The OP is bad even at spamming burst skill on cooldown.
The OP is running with 3 banners for no apparent reason.

Long story short: the OP acted (I seriously hope that for him) completely brain-dead on purpose in order to prove a wrong point and, as far as I know, Warrior doesn’t carry brain-dead players, but only bad players.

You mean Cleansing Ire can actually be avoided?!
So Warriors can’t just auto win fights by spamming skills?!
You mean Warriors have to actually spam Burst skills to purify?!
You mean a Warrior would have to carefully choose his utilities to be effective?!

Long story short: Well there was no story. I said pretty much what I needed to say already.

Zanryu.3417:

You mean Cleansing Ire can actually be avoided?!
So Warriors can’t just auto win fights by spamming skills?!
You mean Warriors have to actually spam Burst skills to purify?!
You mean a Warrior would have to carefully choose his utilities to be effective?!

Long story short: Well there was no story. I said pretty much what I needed to say already.

No, no and no.

Cleansing Ire can’t be avoided on Longbow.
Warriors can win by just spamming burst skills, you didn’t spammed burst skill, just normal skills.
Yeah, you have to spam burst skills to cleanse. Too hard, huh?
Carefully pick… what? You just have to run the meta build, not throwing skills randomly in your bar. You failed even at that.

sorrow.2364:

Zanryu.3417:

You mean Cleansing Ire can actually be avoided?!
So Warriors can’t just auto win fights by spamming skills?!
You mean Warriors have to actually spam Burst skills to purify?!
You mean a Warrior would have to carefully choose his utilities to be effective?!

Long story short: Well there was no story. I said pretty much what I needed to say already.

No, no and no.

Cleansing Ire can’t be avoided on Longbow.
Warriors can win by just spamming burst skills, you didn’t spammed burst skill, just normal skills.
Yeah, you have to spam burst skills to cleanse. Too hard, huh?
Carefully pick… what? You just have to run the meta build, not throwing skills randomly in your bar. You failed even at that.

I didn’t know I had access to LB Burst 100% of the time.
I’ve never seen a Warrior win just from spamming Burst Skills, provide proof.
No, but interesting that it requires a certain degree of skill to cleanse yourself.
In other words.. certain skills have to be chosen to be efficient. Which was my point.

Zanryu.3417:

vinceftw.5086:

So you’re trying to proof your point by using the 2nd (or 1st) strongest class in the game, the necromancer. If a warrior can’t cleanse conditions enough, think about what others can do? Nothing.

Oh boy. Someone seems to be missing the point.

What you seem to be saying is “I think Class A is overpowered. If someone using Class B can beat someone using Class A, Class B is even more overpowered and all other classes stand no chance.” How is that constructive? How is that at all helpful? The people who think Warriors are overpowered seem to be unable to form proper arguments to support their point.

So let me say this. Before you post here, think. Don’t just type away on your keyboard and tell me Warriors are OP or that I suck. I want you to THINK. Think about your reply, tell me WHY we’re OP. Give a good argument to support your claim. Otherwise I’m not going to take anything you post seriously.

Let’s not have this be a bunch of Warrior haters circlejerking each other with no real counter-arguments.

That was not my point. You’re saying that warriors still melt to conditions and you use the example of the necromancer. The necro has the most conditions in the game and strongest burst condition in the game so it’s obvious they can kill a warrior. Other classes aren’t so lucky with their condition removal.

And I’m not a warrior hater, I have one myself, they’re just OP. Yes, hammer skills are telegraphed but A) people don’t have unlimited stun breaks and dodges auto attacks still hurt.

It’s also funny how you say conditions melt us when the warrior has the best immunity/clearing in the game apart from a necro himself. Try to think what a mesmer would do against those conditions? Jack kitten.

Do you play other classes? I have 6 characters and warrior is currently the easiest to play. You can literally combo people down if their stunbreak is gone. This while still having 2800+ armor, high health and high regen.

If we compare the warrior with what the so-called OP ele once did, the ele looks like a child. He had high healing and mobility, wow, a warrior has those too. He had decent damage, guess what? Warrior’s is higher AND he’s stunlocking you.

Besides, the argument that there’s stability is invalid. They only last a few seconds. In the meantime I’ll dodge/zerker stance/shield block and then go to town after your stability is gone and I baited a dodge or 2. There’s a reason everyone is playing warrior now. Now because they’re finally viable, but because they’re overviable.

Zanryu.3417:

I didn’t know I had access to LB Burst 100% of the time.
I’ve never seen a Warrior win just from spamming Burst Skills, provide proof.
No, but interesting that it requires a certain degree of skill to cleanse yourself.
In other words.. certain skills have to be chosen to be efficient. Which was my point.

Why do I have to waste my time to prove to someone who is clearly biased what I’m saying?
Do a video yourself, this time while actually moving and spamming burst skills.
Uh, and pick proper utilities.

Then you’ll see that you can’t replicate what you’ve done in this video.

Wait… Are you saying that it requires skills to not run random utilities but the meta ones?

vinceftw.5086:

Zanryu.3417:

vinceftw.5086:

So you’re trying to proof your point by using the 2nd (or 1st) strongest class in the game, the necromancer. If a warrior can’t cleanse conditions enough, think about what others can do? Nothing.

Oh boy. Someone seems to be missing the point.

What you seem to be saying is “I think Class A is overpowered. If someone using Class B can beat someone using Class A, Class B is even more overpowered and all other classes stand no chance.” How is that constructive? How is that at all helpful? The people who think Warriors are overpowered seem to be unable to form proper arguments to support their point.

So let me say this. Before you post here, think. Don’t just type away on your keyboard and tell me Warriors are OP or that I suck. I want you to THINK. Think about your reply, tell me WHY we’re OP. Give a good argument to support your claim. Otherwise I’m not going to take anything you post seriously.

Let’s not have this be a bunch of Warrior haters circlejerking each other with no real counter-arguments.

That was not my point. You’re saying that warriors still melt to conditions and you use the example of the necromancer. The necro has the most conditions in the game and strongest burst condition in the game so it’s obvious they can kill a warrior. Other classes aren’t so lucky with their condition removal.

And I’m not a warrior hater, I have one myself, they’re just OP. Yes, hammer skills are telegraphed but A) people don’t have unlimited stun breaks and dodges auto attacks still hurt.

It’s also funny how you say conditions melt us when the warrior has the best immunity/clearing in the game apart from a necro himself. Try to think what a mesmer would do against those conditions? Jack kitten.

Do you play other classes? I have 6 characters and warrior is currently the easiest to play. You can literally combo people down if their stunbreak is gone. This while still having 2800+ armor, high health and high regen.

If we compare the warrior with what the so-called OP ele once did, the ele looks like a child. He had high healing and mobility, wow, a warrior has those too. He had decent damage, guess what? Warrior’s is higher AND he’s stunlocking you.

Besides, the argument that there’s stability is invalid. They only last a few seconds. In the meantime I’ll dodge/zerker stance/shield block and then go to town after your stability is gone and I baited a dodge or 2. There’s a reason everyone is playing warrior now. Now because they’re finally viable, but because they’re overviable.

And your video evidence is.. where?

Other classes have access to large amounts of conditions or high burst damage. The point is that Warriors can still be brought down, I showed that. If you watched the entire video you’d see that a Thief also landed a kill through high damage output.

Warriors can be killed reasonably well. I wouldn’t call them overpowered as it currently stands.

What you are failing to understand, Zanryu, is that posting a video is not an evidence.

I can post a video of me as a Warrior beating out an afk player and then say “Hey, look! I killed that guy without taking any damage! Warrior is OP”, but that wouldn’t be a proof at all.

On the other hand, comparisons between the warrior meta builds and other build is a good way to prove that something is OP.
Checking the population might be also a sign of something being OP.
People have done that and came to the conclusion that Warrior is OP.