Guild Wars 2

Every other profession has a long list of passive defenses, blocks, evades,. Warriors only block prevents any skills from being used (shield) and is outclassed by literally every other profession.

We do have defy pain and last stand but they don’t proc well or do not always proc.

While I prefer the active defense, something more passive would be on par.

The last thing this game needs is more passive defense.

Ruru.1302:

The last thing this game needs is more passive defense.

+this. pls.
Every defense/stunbreak/whatever triggered by traits as passive should be removed. The last you want is to add even more.
Passive defense= no need for skill. that is a fact.
Also this would probably be more appropiate in the…warrior forum perhaps?

I would much rather have active defense rather than getting on board with every other class that has a laundry list of passives. Making Burst skills more reliable and tying our sustain to landing them seems way more interesting to me.

Defy Pain: Gain a stack of Defy Pain that gives toughness when connecting with a Burst. Gain 1 stack per bar. The number of max stacks and how much toughness it gives would have to be tested but I think allowing for a high number of stacks but only getting a bit of toughness for each would really reinforce the idea that the Warrior gets more dangerous as the fight goes on.

Last Stand: Using a Stance gives 3(?) seconds of 1 stack of Stability. Would have synergy with Eternal Champion in certain situations as well.

Changes like these would make Warrior more reactionary and would also reward consistently hitting your burst skills. I would also like to see Leg Specialist moved to where Restorative Strength is currently and replace Thick Skin or some other useless trait with something that removes blind on Burst skill use. They’re already highly telegraphed that they shouldn’t be so easily countered by such a easily available condi.

Warrs have loads of passive defenses, healing signet is probably one of the best out there, healing 21k over a minute.

Roll a shield with defy pain and you have incredible staying power, berserker stance when used correctly (dont elt it get corrupted) gives full condi immunity for 8 seconds.
Outrage a 10sec stunbreaker tied with rousing resilience which gives 1k toughness and a heal.

This class is far more powerful than people imagine. Use your actives correctly and the passives as a backup.

larocca.8391:

Warrs have loads of passive defenses, healing signet is probably one of the best out there, healing 21k over a minute.

Roll a shield with defy pain and you have incredible staying power, berserker stance when used correctly (dont elt it get corrupted) gives full condi immunity for 8 seconds.
Outrage a 10sec stunbreaker tied with rousing resilience which gives 1k toughness and a heal.

This class is far more powerful than people imagine. Use your actives correctly and the passives as a backup.

LOL who are you? Your post made me laugh so hard

OK so warrior doesnt need more passive defenses. It has that, what has happened is other classes passives have gotten better.

Rev has both warriors heal skill in the healing signet and the stance heal with just the herald heal. The the rev gets another heal from a 2nd champion.

Necros signet heal and consume conditions makes it so they can take and heal off of being attacked.

Im not going to break down all the classes skills and passives and even in my explanations they are a bit short and vague.

IMO even thieves have better passives, heal and utility skills. What thief lacks is what warrior has which is huge burst damage in condi and damage that can be quickly reapplied.

Problem is every class in the game except thieves and warriors can have it all which is sustain, dps, and bursts. These 2 classes have to choose.

kdaddy.5431:

IMO even thieves have better passives, heal and utility skills. What thief lacks is what warrior has which is huge burst damage in condi and damage that can be quickly reapplied.

Problem is every class in the game except thieves and warriors can have it all which is sustain, dps, and bursts. These 2 classes have to choose.

I play warr and wreck people, not sure who you are or why i should care really.

In what way do thieves have better passives? Signet of malice? Quick Reflexes? Thieves have massive burst with their autos which outperform backstab, they have a hard time actually applying it because they’re so squishy, also vs a valk vault bound daredevil and try avoid his 8k vaults, no burst my kitten .

Warrs can have sustain and burst they just need to be played right and they unfortunately have to put in considerably more effort to keep up with other classes in that respect, you seem to dispute this so you clearly aren’t doing it properly.

Warrs are incredible in a 1v1 environment, headbutt and mace/shield lockdown in a condi build is brilliant, but in group situations they fall under focus fire like most other classes.

But we are not a condi class, we are a dps class. Dps warriir sucks atm.

Warr is hybrid and is far from a pure condi class atm, merc amu gives everything you need.

Asrat.2645:

Ruru.1302:

The last thing this game needs is more passive defense.

+this. pls.
Every defense/stunbreak/whatever triggered by traits as passive should be removed. The last you want is to add even more.
Passive defense= no need for skill. that is a fact.
Also this would probably be more appropiate in the…warrior forum perhaps?

That’s not really true bro. For Rev, they have to use Dodge, between their evades and Resistance, in order to get Stability. Totally active!

Asrat.2645:

Ruru.1302:

The last thing this game needs is more passive defense.

+this. pls.
Every defense/stunbreak/whatever triggered by traits as passive should be removed. The last you want is to add even more.
Passive defense= no need for skill. that is a fact.
Also this would probably be more appropiate in the…warrior forum perhaps?

So you would prefer to keep warrior useless under the guise(or delusion) that at some point the other classes passive defenses will be removed?

lel.

This game is so badly designed I don’t understand how the PvP team still has jobs.

At this point it would literally be better for everyone if warrior was straight up removed, at least people wouldn’t waste their time on it anymore.

9/10 If it’s a troll.
Otherwise; no it doesn’t. The other elite specs need nerfs.

Quadox.7834:

9/10 If it’s a troll.
Otherwise; no it doesn’t. The other elite specs need nerfs.

No one is going to change all other classes instead of changing one. Stop this nonsense already.

Stochastic.1398:

Asrat.2645:

Ruru.1302:

The last thing this game needs is more passive defense.

+this. pls.
Every defense/stunbreak/whatever triggered by traits as passive should be removed. The last you want is to add even more.
Passive defense= no need for skill. that is a fact.
Also this would probably be more appropiate in the…warrior forum perhaps?

So you would prefer to keep warrior useless under the guise(or delusion) that at some point the other classes passive defenses will be removed?

lel.

This game is so badly designed I don’t understand how the PvP team still has jobs.

At this point it would literally be better for everyone if warrior was straight up removed, at least people wouldn’t waste their time on it anymore.

I main thief. The recent addition of passive defenses in the acrobatics traitline is the same cancer as all the others.
I have no general problem with passives. I do have a problem with active abilities triggered as passives.
I also have a problem with passive defense systems.
If you dont want to die when you get hit, you either run bunkery base stats or you prepare to sacrifice some godkitten skills for it.
Passives can be used to enchance performance. Not to carry you through an enemies burst untouched.
And if everything is op but 2-3 classes, and you make that 2-3 classes op too, you did not solve any problems. You just add to the power creep.
Thats what we have the nerf hammer for. You can still also buff the warrior if that shouldnt be enough, but the last way you want to accomplish that is by adding moar passives.

Edit: godkitten huh? wp anet, thats a good one. gotta remember that.

Rednik.3809:

Quadox.7834:

9/10 If it’s a troll.
Otherwise; no it doesn’t. The other elite specs need nerfs.

No one is going to change all other classes instead of changing one. Stop this nonsense already.

No, you stop this nonsense already. Take a look at recent history, for instance, and you will see that Anet instead of changing one/two imbalanced classes before june 23rd (shoutbow mainly), they revamped (meaning changed, as you so plainly put it) the entire trait system of all classes, adding more passives in the process. I could make more arguments for why nerfing instead of further buffing and powercreeping is so incredibly important, but i prefer to refute your entire claim with this simple history lesson.

Quadox.7834:

No, you stop this nonsense already. Take a look at recent history, for instance, and you will see that Anet instead of changing one/two imbalanced classes before june 23rd (shoutbow mainly), they revamped (meaning changed, as you so plainly put it) the entire trait system of all classes, adding more passives in the process. I could make more arguments for why nerfing instead of further buffing and powercreeping is so incredibly important, but i prefer to refute your entire claim with this simple history lesson.

It was revamp for whole talent system promised long ago, not pvp one. Stop making things up.

Rednik.3809:

Quadox.7834:

No, you stop this nonsense already. Take a look at recent history, for instance, and you will see that Anet instead of changing one/two imbalanced classes before june 23rd (shoutbow mainly), they revamped (meaning changed, as you so plainly put it) the entire trait system of all classes, adding more passives in the process. I could make more arguments for why nerfing instead of further buffing and powercreeping is so incredibly important, but i prefer to refute your entire claim with this simple history lesson.

It was revamp for whole talent system promised long ago, not pvp one. Stop making things up.

That literally does not matter whatsoever in the context and does not in any way shape or form prove that anet never would “change all other classes instead of changing one”. This is not about making things up, this is about you making irrelevant points. Start by making grammatical sense, then try to make actual good points, rather than telling me in a slightly offensive manner to “stop this nonsense already”.

Quadox.7834:

That literally does not matter whatsoever in the context and does not in any way shape or form prove that anet never would “change all other classes instead of changing one”.

Oh, that will be easy to prove. Just wait till next balance patch, though I’m sure you will quietly disappear after that.

Rednik.3809:

Quadox.7834:

That literally does not matter whatsoever in the context and does not in any way shape or form prove that anet never would “change all other classes instead of changing one”.

Oh, that will be easy to prove. Just wait till next balance patch, though I’m sure you will quietly disappear after that.

Not so sure about that actually. The next balance patch might be the breaking point. In good old anet tradition they ignored the existing problems for too long (now 9 months). A lot of who enjoyed the game before left – a lot of who didn’t play it before joined – so they have a different playerbase. They waited too long to make this game more skillbased again, if they do it now it might led to a lot of the new players leaving. And they probably know that, so it might well be that this game stays brainless and that was that.

Rednik.3809:

Quadox.7834:

That literally does not matter whatsoever in the context and does not in any way shape or form prove that anet never would “change all other classes instead of changing one”.

Oh, that will be easy to prove. Just wait till next balance patch, though I’m sure you will quietly disappear after that.

This isn’t a talk about what is likely to happen so much as it concerns what NEEDS to happen for the continued success of this game’s PvP. Also, if you need proof, look at the history of guild wars 2, where we can easily see that anet indeed has changed every class in so-called “reworks” before, which goes against your entire point. In fact, the only “argument” you present uses an extraordinarily false logic in which you assume that your point is proven, but you cannot show evidence until some unspecified time into the future -“Just wait until X, you will see Y”. Surely even a falsifiable idiot must see the flaws in this type of irrational reasoning? The same reasoning can be used to arrive at all manner of “conclusions”. Don’t vote for Donald Trump, he will wreck the economy. Just wait and you will see.