Guild Wars 2

I was playing mostly sPvP, but recently I decided to try out tPvP. Well difference of skill is huge. Where I would mostly feel superior in sPvP, now mostly I would feel hopeless and outplayed.

Now if I would run into organized team, after 1, 2 minutes I can tell whats going on and those kind of loses are not that important to me. What surprised me the most when I would play vs random teams they would hold their own. Sometimes even outplay me completely. Now keep in mind I play alone and I’m in random teams.
My goal is to improve and to be able to contribute the best I can. Here are questions:

I use axe/shield and I like it. Axe is good dps with range cripple + imob and shield stance saved me lots of times. My biggest problem is secondary weapon. I tried rifle and I felt its not that good. People are dodging, dps on rifle is bad. Other people have better range options so I tried hammer. Didn’t like hammer because animations are so slow, good players simply dodge the hell out of me. Rarely I would connect combo and even then they survive. I looked other option and didn’t find any to fit my style.
What are good options for secondary weapons?
Also I run 0 0 25 30 15 shout build soldier rune + berserk amulet. With axe I crit a lot since I’m perma fury. Any suggestion here? My main goal was to create balanced build, with surviving options while still be able to take down peoples hp. I use shake it off, for great justice and fear me.
Also is this build better for camping spots, or maybe I should add gs and try to roam. What are general ideas behind each map for warrior? Should I create totally new build? Would like suggestions from experienced tPvP warriors.

Personally I would change the class, but if you wanna keep playing warrior then run the following standard:
weapons: axe/shield, greatsword

Utilities: Bullscharge, Frenzy, Endure Pain, Mending, Signet of Rage/Battle Standard.

Traits: Mobile Strikes (when imobilized put greatsword = can be live saving, especially in teamfights)
Sweet Revenge (absolutely must have)
Leg Specialist (pretty cool imobilize, skill 3 on axe / skill 4 on GS, makes it easier to stay in range of foe)
Slashing Power (10% more dmg on GS is pretty insane when you hit 100b combo)

The rest is up to you. Test and look what fits best in your playstyle.
The problem what you face as warrior is that your an easy target as you cant get yourself invisible or have lot of heal.
The fact that you have a high dps in teamfights (especially when they ball) makes you to the nr.1 target besides the necro.

http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/1834683

Been running this in paid tournaments and throwing everyone off.

Watched it and made me laugh… obviously two players that dont know how to play their class still funny build but not as strong as axe/shield, you missing the defense sir.

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Just another low skill casual who doesn’t know what Long Bow (Berserker Amulet) has over Axe. Get some QPs or play some paids and tell me if going “full melee” with a Warrior is actually THAT forgiving.

Just because you don’t know how it works or you can’t make it work, doesn’t mean its not viable. Because when you’re actually good with a Warrior you wouldn’t be relying on a shield to “defend” yourself.

After playing Longbow/GS i probably won’t be going back to Axe/Shield.

Considering how AOE Intense the game is right now playing a melee only Warrior is brutal. One of the main reasons people prefer not to bring them is the fact that if they get to close to the center of any large fight, they explode just due to the sheer AOE and mass conditions everywhere.

This gives you some flexibility to still pump out considerable damage without sacrificing yourself for the hopes of a quick kill.

Also, Shield Stance CD / How easy it is to dodge the shield stun / evis has turned me away from Axe/Shield – it may be good against medium level players, but anyone who knows what their doing knows how to avoid evis burst.

I dont see any higher individual skill in tournies just better team play. you rarely have an even 1v1 or 2v2. either your team brings an extra or the other team does and its gg

I never said it’s weak. Still the thief and the guard are pve players…Watch the score, no good team do 17 to 200 points…
And every other thief who know whats stealth is will farm you.

Played against thiefs all night in paids and had no issues.

3 seconds of block doesn’t buy you a whole lot in the scheme of things. But a 4 second root, aoe deterents and a range blind does a bit more for players willing to try a little harder.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

I never said it’s weak. Still the thief and the guard are pve players…Watch the score, no good team do 17 to 200 points…
And every other thief who know whats stealth is will farm you.

Again, you’re a low skill player. Whatever you say does not apply to people who are willing to get better. You honestly think shield makes it better vs. Thieves? If another Warrior can kite Shield Stance via GS so can any other classes.

Take this advice from a higher skilled player. Thief’s incentive to kill is mitigated by AoE’s, pre-fight stability, and predicting. If you don’t know how to put any of those to practice as a Warrior then it doesn’t matter what build you do, you will get wrecked by anything.

P.S Solo Que against High Levels at Kylho EU server.
http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/b/357556202

Nier, while I agree with you I don’t think calling someone a low skill player regardless of whether you believe it or not is going to help the discussion.

In general the Longbow is highly underrated as of late, and has been since the beginning.

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I’m simply saying that just because a low skill can’t play a certain build competitively that doesn’t mean its not viable. A lot of people who affect balancing negatively are primarily people like him.

I agree, I was just pointing out specifically claiming he’s of low skill isn’t going to get this conversation anywhere. You can make this argument without doing such, and besides you can’t know how truly skilled he is via a forum post no matter how much you disagree with it.

Ok. First I was one of your three viewers just now. So I did watch you. I don’t know why you are calling other people low skilled. you have a lot of room to improve.

For starters, you need to turn on quick cast because you are losing vital seconds where otherwise you would land a full whirlwind or even your longbow shots that miss otherwise. You run many times when you could just have stayed and won; I’m sure you will get better with experience at that. Or maybe you just like to run in frees. My final point would be that you tend to blow all of your cooldowns to get one kill. Longbow 5 (immobolize) followed by the bulls charge, frenzy and balanced stance. If you go back and watch your vid from just today you will see that you over use your CD’s a lot. You don’t need all of those for one kill, especially when it’s 2 or 3 of you on 1 guy, or a 1v1. Anyway, i mean these as constructive other than you don’t have room to call be low skilled. You may have potential but as of now you are not high skilled on warrior.

To the original OP, and to this post. Warriors can viably melee with the GS and Ax/shield combo, but there are not many warriors that can do it. There are only 2 in the NA scene that currently do it at a competitive level. Nnight (Lil Nnight) and Hman.

To the Longbow warrrios, I think that your build could work, however I have yet to see it work well for anyone. I play paids often, and I win often, and I don’t see any warriors with a longbow as a threat ever as of now. And I mean a threat to actually winning the tourney. As of now it’s 1 of like 4-5 teams we play on Khylo pretty much everyt time. However, I would like to see new builds, and new teams there, good luck to you.

My name is “Well Whale Well” and I play necro. Although QP’s do not matter I am actually on the list and play regularly against all teams if that helps my credibility at all.

Thanks

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I have no idea why you’re lecturing me when you don’t even play a Warrior.

Can you actually practice what you preach? I did fine for a solo que, but could you be at the same efficiency though Whale? I’d like to see if you’re not really all talk and no action

Also the people you mentioned, I’m telling you right now they’re not the ones carrying their team. Its Chubbsz and Vain doing the work.

I actually do play warrior. It is my second most played class. I also said those were meant to be constructive. I hope you can take them that way, if you want to get better.

Also you do know I play on the team with chubbz and Nnight right? Also this post was about warriors playing in Tpvp, not a person carrying their team, but to your point. They are both very good, but i assure you that it is hard to “carry” in this game to the extent you can in other games, but Nnight is in no way getting carried, and I would argue that he is the one carrying us, over anyone else on our team. I think chubbz would agree. I think Nnight is one of the best players in this game right now, and can really play every class at a high level which I think is impressive. Maybe you could ask him to stream and you could learn something. I’ll ask him too.

I don’t know this for sure but you only mentioned the players from each team that happen to stream, which people often make the mistake of assuming those are the best players out there, which is generally not true. Or maybe you have an ele fetish? Ele’s are a great class that can do a ton, I admit I am jealous of their team utility myself!

Nier.2478:

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I have no idea why you’re lecturing me when you don’t even play a Warrior.

Can you actually practice what you preach? I did fine for a solo que, but could you be at the same efficiency though Whale? I’d like to see if you’re not really all talk and no action

Also the people you mentioned, I’m telling you right now they’re not the ones carrying their team. Its Chubbsz and Vain doing the work.

Because you’re calling people out about being “low skilled,” acting like you’re amazingly high skilled, and getting upset that someone points out ways to improve.

Please stop.

As to why I mentioned Chubbsz and Vain as the ones carrying their respective teams? Because they’re the ones baiting out stun breaks and cleansing conditions for the team.

In short, all Axe + GS Warriors do is wait until everyone’s stun breaks are gone AND they Bulls Charge + Frenzy at the end of the dodge when you do force a dodge. They aren’t doing jack if an Ele isn’t there to initiate or babysit for them. Basically, the Ele’s are the ones carrying in both QT and Synergy. You’re telling me these Warriors can self-sustain with Axe + GS? Nope. Why aren’t they switching to a better build then? Because I can name a lot of better builds and I don’t mind showing you in-game

Anyways back on topic, okay sorry. I’m wrong, you’re right. Low skill isn’t the right term. Lets find another term then shall we? How about.. “people who didn’t have the decency to seek out potential.”

And in my attempt to re-rail this topic, the point still stands out, just because these “people didn’t have the decency to seek its potential out” says its not viable, that doesn’t meant it isn’t viable.

“As to why I mentioned Chubbsz and Vain as the ones carrying their respective teams? Because they’re the ones baiting out stun breaks and cleansing conditions for the team.”

I would not say that Vain or I carry any team, this is Chubbs Z. Vain and I are both great at what we do. But the one to be carrying Synergy but we call our selves VexX gaming now as our recent join to the guild is Nnight the warrior. He is by far the best warrior in my opinion has never lost to another warrior. But the both only competitive playing warriors use Axe/Shield + GS. Hman and Nnight are both key players in the team along with Khalifa Dom Xee Ect, as well as Yezhik Morf and Remko. Great sword + Long bow could be viable but is not being played at the moment. Our team went against a warrior like that but the only DMG i withstood was from the Great sword I felt 0 pressure when he switched to the bow. And for what Remko said about when you having to use a immo on a target then bull charge is a big waste of cool downs. I have 10 games played on a warrior but I understand the game enough to understand that. It’s not a solo game in which a warrior has to self sustain him self, and as i quote from a GW2 December 14 patch notes “They may have a hard time with enemy conditions, and may need to ask for ally help in order to keep themselves free of hampering conditions.” Guild wars 2 wants warriors to be a big part of a team, as why I as a elementalist have to help Nnight during a team fight with focusing but most importantly peeling healing him while giving his warrior the extra dmg needed to take out a foe. Nnight does not have a problem taking out any class 1v1 as a Axe/Shield + GS he has became a well known warrior among the respectable PvPers in GW2. So before changing a spec and saying it is weaker then another try to test it out with a team instead of 1v1ing everything, Because after all Guild wars 2 Paid tournaments are about Synergy and team work. And I apologize for miss spelled words or bad grammar.

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A quote from the patch notes of Dec 14.
“The Ele boasts some of the best team support and control abilities in the game, as well as some great area of effect damage.”
Elementalists are a good class and can 1v1 a wide range of other classes but our main job in a team is to support the other classes. Which when you say we “carry” I believe every role on a team has a GREAT impact. But as for Nnight he is a great player and prestigious leader for our team as we all listen to his calls but have our own say in the matter.

Nier.2478:

As to why I mentioned Chubbsz and Vain as the ones carrying their respective teams? Because they’re the ones baiting out stun breaks and cleansing conditions for the team.

In short, all Axe + GS Warriors do is wait until everyone’s stun breaks are gone AND they Bulls Charge + Frenzy at the end of the dodge when you do force a dodge. They aren’t doing jack if an Ele isn’t there to initiate or babysit for them. Basically, the Ele’s are the ones carrying in both QT and Synergy. You’re telling me these Warriors can self-sustain with Axe + GS? Nope. Why aren’t they switching to a better build then? Because I can name a lot of better builds and I don’t mind showing you in-game

My back aches.

When someone tries to help you, you shouldn’t shoot them down and state they know nothing. That shows nothing but ignorance and will hinder you from becoming better. That’s your first mistake. Secondly, making claims in which you don’t know much about is another mistake you made. Especially when it has nothing to do with the OP. Next time you should just be open and not bash anyone trying to help you. There are some people great at explaining things better then the players who play the class themselves. Anyway, gl.

When did Schwar change his name to Nier? Pity the attitude didn’t change along with it.

Lol what is this thread trying to prove?

Well thx for the compliment Nier. However it’s better or not, tell me how u can get away in a mid-team-fight, when you get bursted? Balanced Stance?…

If you wanna improve, mabye asking “Bruho” will help you.

And to get back to the topic: Play warrior and find out on your own what’s good and what’s not.

Nier.2478:

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Just another low skill casual who doesn’t know what Long Bow (Berserker Amulet) has over Axe. Get some QPs or play some paids and tell me if going “full melee” with a Warrior is actually THAT forgiving.

You are so low to be writing this…

Let everyone have their own opinion. I’ve seen amazing warriors playing various weapon sets. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean your point of view is the only right one.

And jumping on a completely anonymous player on the forums numerous times, calling him lowskill and asking to get QPs as if they were the only indicator of skill is just pathetic.

leman.7682:

Nier.2478:

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Just another low skill casual who doesn’t know what Long Bow (Berserker Amulet) has over Axe. Get some QPs or play some paids and tell me if going “full melee” with a Warrior is actually THAT forgiving.

You are so low to be writing this…

Let everyone have their own opinion. I’ve seen amazing warriors playing various weapon sets. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean your point of view is the only right one.

And jumping on a completely anonymous player on the forums numerous times, calling him lowskill and asking to get QPs as if they were the only indicator of skill is just pathetic.

Understand that some opinions can be poisonous to balancing, something that I don’t really buy. I do deserve to get shunned for being a jerk, but some people need to be more open minded to “potential and possibilities,” something which these type people lack which aggravates me because bad balancing decisions are the cause of these close-minded statements and arguments.

It leads me to believe that these type of people never think before they act.

As to why I’m being a jerk, if people keep having negative opinions because they are theory crafting and did not even have the decency to seek out potential nor even try to prove that it doesn’t have any worth via videos, then that is BAD feedback on balancing.

TL;DR It would be great if people actually tried and proved builds instead of calling it “not viable” out of the blue.

Nier.2478:

because they are theory crafting and did not even have the decency to seek out potential nor even try to prove that it doesn’t have any worth via videos, then that is BAD feedback on balancing.

TL;DR It would be great if people actually tried and proved builds instead of calling it “not viable” out of the blue.

Theorycrafting is an objective view of the math and functions available. In short, the facts. When you have videos showing the ‘potential’ then you are adding in variable player skill which attempts to skew the math. Min/maxing is about the facts, not scenarios of “if you’re better than the other player then the build works”.

This is the essence of character building and theorycrafting, it’s all about the math.

Duncanmix.5238:

I was playing mostly sPvP, but recently I decided to try out tPvP. Well difference of skill is huge. Where I would mostly feel superior in sPvP, now mostly I would feel hopeless and outplayed.

Now if I would run into organized team, after 1, 2 minutes I can tell whats going on and those kind of loses are not that important to me. What surprised me the most when I would play vs random teams they would hold their own. Sometimes even outplay me completely. Now keep in mind I play alone and I’m in random teams.
My goal is to improve and to be able to contribute the best I can. Here are questions:

I use axe/shield and I like it. Axe is good dps with range cripple + imob and shield stance saved me lots of times. My biggest problem is secondary weapon. I tried rifle and I felt its not that good. People are dodging, dps on rifle is bad. Other people have better range options so I tried hammer. Didn’t like hammer because animations are so slow, good players simply dodge the hell out of me. Rarely I would connect combo and even then they survive. I looked other option and didn’t find any to fit my style.
What are good options for secondary weapons?
Also I run 0 0 25 30 15 shout build soldier rune + berserk amulet. With axe I crit a lot since I’m perma fury. Any suggestion here? My main goal was to create balanced build, with surviving options while still be able to take down peoples hp. I use shake it off, for great justice and fear me.
Also is this build better for camping spots, or maybe I should add gs and try to roam. What are general ideas behind each map for warrior? Should I create totally new build? Would like suggestions from experienced tPvP warriors.

To starter:
In my opinion, shouts heal isn’t that good in tPvP. According to your build and amulet, you are just like a glass cannon with 2 extra healing skills that only gives you another 1.3k heal per shouts. This represent that your dps, def, and even healing power are low. In this result, I would like to recommend you to reconsider your build.

For another event in this thread, I would like to make some comments to “Nier” and “Empathetic Fighter”. I don’t really understand why people here are blaming Nier for calling Empathetic low skilled. He deserves it isn’t it? If you guys try to read carefully from the 3rd floor post through 6th floor post, you will see how rude and arrogant Empathetic Fighter is. Defektive was trying to show the thread starter another build but Empathetic Fighter just laugh at it and make a joke of it because he thinks it is a funny build. As what people always said, “if you want people respect you, you should respect others first.” Even Nier shouldn’t use a “low skilled” to mention others, but I think Empathetic Fighter is the one who isn’t really care to respect others at all.

If you have any question, welcome to whisper in game and discuss with me, I main a Nerco now, but I am still in love with Warrior.

Regards.
Tarcis Rhapsodos

Again…Read carefully.
“It made me laugh”… I didnt laugh at defektive nor the build he’s playing. It’s new and funny. It’s just my opinion the other 2 players he stomps aren’t that good. I never told the build is bad or the player is bad. I just told my point of view.
“Best Regards”