Guild Wars 2

I don’t see the problem with the majority saying Warriors are bottom tier :/ maybe it’s because I get lucky with my queues but I went 9 wins 1 loss today and I was top in my team for 7 of them. Rampage… I didn’t even notice the nerf. I was still able to wreck entire teams mid-fight after dragging them low health. Hell I love my warrior even more now the fanboys have stopped playing it due to thenerf lol I saw 2 other warriors in 10 games, was lovely.

Only downside is I can’t make a viable rifle or axe build, now that’d be fun!

Warrior is fine but not viable in competitive pvp atm.

Even with a good support you need to be an excellent warrior to do the 20% of what thieves or mesmers do… sadly.

Warrior…….
The main reason it is still kitten in pvp is because their gap closers just don’t connect with their intended targets 80% of the time.

They have no shadowsteps or blinks…

…and the only thing they really have going for themselves atm is rampage.

Although anet need to buff some unused skills of warrior such as banner & rifle stuffs though, other than that, I would say warrior now is fine. it’s just that DD cele ele is too op.

I see so its not that warrior is bad it’s just that Ele and Mesmer are better.

Well I still have a blast with it and enjoy it over my other classes so I’ll continue to rock the rampage for a while longer

Right now, even if Ele and Mes weren’t so overwhelmingly strong, I don’t think War would be strong. Let’s examine what made the previous War metas good:

Hambow: This build excelled at AoE damage via LB, Might stacking, and CC. LB has been turned into basically a hybrid only weapon, you can make it work in power builds but it feels like a shadow of its former self.

Shoutbow: A fantastic if mechanically boring Bruiser. It had Might stacking, condi clear, AoE damage, crazy condi cleanse, and could still dish out some single target damage as well. Funnily enough, with all the rest of the changes last patch they could have probably left Shout healing untouched and it would have just been balanced atm.

Both of these builds brought a decent amount of support to the table. Now, Warrior is basically 100% selfish. There’s another issue, while it might have better AoE CC than Mesmer (though they can still do decent CC even post mantra fix) or Thief, those 2 classes can bring team support and more importantly MOBILITY!

Yes, Greatsword makes you fast on flat terrain, but in PvP real mobility comes from using the Z axis to bypass parts of the map. A Thief or Mesmer (Eles and Necros too) can quickly get out of danger by teleporting to a place where classes that can’t teleport can’t chase quickly.

Guardians have the handy ability to chase these guys by using Sword or JI. Warriors and Rangers on the other hand have no way to do this. I don’t think Warrior necessarily needs a blink/teleport/shadowstep (although making Stomp a big jump that works for certain ledges would be cool) , just having a way to follow those that can would help a great deal. maybe make Sword 2 (Savage Leap) be able to follow like Guardian Sword 2 (Flashing Blade) would be really useful. It would give the weapon a sort of anti-backcap ability if you are fast enough.

We also just need our support aspect back. I’m tired of bringing very little to the team.

They’re not bad, it’s just Cele Ele’s and Mesmers are completely over the top and pushing them out of the spotlight.

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I don’t see the problem with the majority saying Warriors are bottom tier :/ maybe it’s because I get lucky with my queues but I went 9 wins 1 loss today and I was top in my team for 7 of them. Rampage… I didn’t even notice the nerf. I was still able to wreck entire teams mid-fight after dragging them low health. Hell I love my warrior even more now the fanboys have stopped playing it due to thenerf lol I saw 2 other warriors in 10 games, was lovely.

Only downside is I can’t make a viable rifle or axe build, now that’d be fun!

If you were able to use rampage in team fights that alone might say who you are fighting. Anytime i use that in a team fight i get moa by the engy or mesmer. The necro uses plague especially in the cele signet build its running at. Eles and thieves should be able to get away with ease. Also its not the casual who stopped playing warrior like myself but the elite teams in the ESL,AG,WTS who arent using warrior as much.

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Only downside is I can’t make a viable rifle or axe build, now that’d be fun!

When I play War I only play Ultimate Killshot War.

It’s really easy to focus down Mesmers with it too. That ranged pressure.

What build is that sniper one…? Tbh I don’t find Mesmer fun at all so I deleted it and made a necro, which is more enjoyable. I only liked vs/staff on Mesmer wasn’t a fan of sword build… Do love my warrior the most, in pve also I enjoy it and in wvw. It’s very versatile imo. Mesmer I find I play the same build almost across the board. Ele varies very slightly but not by much. Engi is tweaked a little here and there and my necro is almost the same

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Although anet need to buff some unused skills of warrior such as banner & rifle stuffs though, other than that, I would say warrior now is fine. it’s just that DD cele ele is too op.

MM mancer is annoying.
And problem is that weapons hit only 3 targets no more and often it’s a minion that receive the damage, not Necro.
So as some necros cry for minions to be AI silly, it’s rather convenient to have them packed on yourself.

Warrior is this sort of exotic ireful kitten that can be extremely dangerous and resilient but is very hard to excell at due to its high skill cap design which is fine.
A big issue in tpvp is its lack of options, it can easily get kited by blinks which is superior to any movement skills.
Also the rampage nerf made it less reliable as a point holder.

In the previous meta, warriors used to decide matches. Since the update, they’ve fallen quite a bit. They could use a little buff, but rampage would have to be dealt with.

Of course, now that they can’t tank several mesmer bursts, they’ve been out in full force complaining about them rather than dealing with the deficiencies in their class.

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In the previous meta, warriors used to decide matches. Since the update, they’ve fallen quite a bit. They could use a little buff, but rampage would have to be dealt with.

Of course, now that they can’t tank several mesmer bursts, they’ve been out in full force complaining about them rather than dealing with the deficiencies in their class.

TBF, the whole ‘How Warriors feel about Mesmers’ has been around a long time. There are many of us who do have been outspoken about attempting to increase our impact as a profession overall (some to the extreme, Deimos*cough*) or perhaps requesting additional profession mechanics to add complexity and depth to the profession.

And, in true fashion that everyone here knows from their own personal experience, we get silence. I think I could write a small novel on many fields a warrior needs help with, without even comparing the Warrior to other professions.

I wouldn’t say I die to mesmers often, I usually survive until a teammate turns up then it’s a case of LoSIng and lockdown lol.

I can see how blink is annoying. Perhaps we need a “Leap” to get to these high places also.

Is gs/hammer the only viable build for solo queue? I mainly play my necro now as I’m trying to main it and get awesome on it and decided I’ll rock my warrior as my main alt class. But I can see gs/hammer getting tedious after awhile… What other builds work?

I refuse to play my Dd Ele haha, find it quite boring anyway. Same with bunker guard… So necro and warrior FTw

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Is gs/hammer the only viable build for solo queue? I mainly play my necro now as I’m trying to main it and get awesome on it and decided I’ll rock my warrior as my main alt class. But I can see gs/hammer getting tedious after awhile… What other builds work?

I refuse to play my Dd Ele haha, find it quite boring anyway. Same with bunker guard… So necro and warrior FTw

Ummm…no?

I’m rather surprised by people using 2 slow weapon types.

I thought that having a set of fast attack weapon is rather a norm.

Warriors aren’t that bad, and there are other (stronger imo) builds than GS/Hammer.

I wouldn’t mind a fix on rush though, if the target is moving 80% of the time it will faill and rush the air.

What’s better than gs hammer for solo queue??

GS/LB is more reliable and overall stronger I think.

Is that the greatbow build on metabattle? I’d love to try it as 2. Slow weapons is well… Slow.

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Is that the greatbow build on metabattle? I’d love to try it as 2. Slow weapons is well… Slow.

Hammer, gs and LB are slow weapons.

Decide on one and grab fast attack ones for your build or liking.

Protip: If you grab Sword for main hand, equip Sigil of Intelligence for 100% crit on Final Thrust.

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I don’t see the problem with the majority saying Warriors are bottom tier :/ maybe it’s because I get lucky with my queues but I went 9 wins 1 loss today and I was top in my team for 7 of them. Rampage… I didn’t even notice the nerf. I was still able to wreck entire teams mid-fight after dragging them low health. Hell I love my warrior even more now the fanboys have stopped playing it due to thenerf lol I saw 2 other warriors in 10 games, was lovely.

Only downside is I can’t make a viable rifle or axe build, now that’d be fun!

The problem is warriors are GLORIOUS until they are on CD, at which point they become hilariously exposed.

The fanboys no longer play it, that much is true, but I have been having much success as well with the absurd amount of damage tacked onto GS, even though people whine that it isnt viable for pvp.

Oh so I don’t want to go lb/gs for pvp it’s more ideal doing gs/swordshield or maceshield or shoutbow to an extent I guess…?

I’m torn. I love lb and gs lol… I miss shoutbow that playstyle was incredibly enjoyable.

I’ve no idea what to try I guess my only option really is swordshield and gs. Unless there’s a solid lb build out there?

What is the norm to run lately for any sort of success in solo queue?

Try condi or hybrid Warrior: LB + Sw/Sw or Warhorn (could be shield too). Shoutbow Settler or Celestial or Rabid imobilization build, they are both ok. And don’t forget to Trait your LB: you can get 1000 -1200 burning per 1,25 seconds just from LB autoatack.
I don’t find GS + LB optimal: one is power and another one hybrid, more condi weapon. To max dmg on your LB you just have to use it as condi weapon. Power LB is not that strong. Take GS + Rifle, if you insist to play GS + range weapon.

So lb and sw/sw or gs/rifle… Hmmm… I guess I can try these out. Just get bored playing gs/hammer every game which sucks as I love my warrior.

I’d have no idea how to trait for lb however Lmao.

So gs and sw/shield, rifle, mace/shield
Lb and sw/sw,

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To max dmg on your LB you just have to use it as condi weapon. Power LB is not that strong. Take GS + Rifle, if you insist to play GS + range weapon.

I see this a lot on forums bu that’s pretty wrong actually. Longbow is an amazing power weapon, here’s why :

1. is a decent auto attack, not rly amazing but who cares about auto attacks ?
2. deals kittening glorious damage in a power build. In my zerker greatbow each hit crit for something between 1400 and 1800. And it hit 3 times, + about 1k burn damage which is the cherry on the top. All of this while being 1/4s cast time.
3. deals ridiculous damage, I’ve just hit an 8k arcing arrow on an engi. And it’s also a blast finisher.
4. and 5 are sheer utility skills and are good in any builds.
   F1 is :
   -A fire field that you can blast yourself with #3, and your allies can blast it too
   -decent direct damage
   – Guaranteed damage buff through berserker’s power
   – guaranteed condi cleanse through cleansing ire
   Also longbow enables you to proc leeching sigil from range, which is often pretty usefull.

So please, how exactly is Longbow a bad power weapon ?

And rifle is just super bad. It doesn’t bring anything, F1 is terrible, 5) is useless most of the time since you want to stay close for when you’re going to swap back to GS, 3) is decent but too slow and the rest is nothing.

And about the having one slow and one “fast” weapon. You then talk about sword. Only thing fast about sword is the auto attack, but honestly who cares about auto attacks ? Most of the time you won’t be able to auto much, besides against very immobile classes like necro. And I really don’t see what’s the problem from having 2 slow weapons, especially when GS is rly not that slow.

I can’t showcase the build myself because I don’t stream and I’m way too lazy to do youtube videos, but if you want to see what it’s capable of you can check Tarcis’ past broadcast.

EU monthly finals just started. Both Lypion and ROM are running shoutbow. Prepare for every warrior you see in queue running it lol.
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I switched last night.

Y-yea…

The issue with Shoutbow now is that you have to really rely on +1 tactics to do well with it both aggressively and defensively. Which means teamplay, which means premades and not solo queue. Solo queuing as a shoutbow is a big gamble on how well your teammates pick up on what you can do for them and what they should do for you…

Good luck with that!

Ye shoutbow so gud post patch. Rom- one of the best mechanically and one of the most skilled players – with shoutbow more often in downstate than with the current GS/Ham build.
Shoutbow is ded and I bet the only reason why Lypion is playing it is that he’s too lazy to relearn ele.

All in all warrior is pretty much garbage atm and I would say it’s the same burden/handicap to have one like it was a burden/handicap to have a necro pre patch.

It is sad.

Nerf ele and burning and warrior will be fine.

So solo queue is lb/xx or gs/xx whichever works. Qq aside I have a stupid question to ask.
Wtf is a fire field and/or a combo? I’ve noticed skills have combo finisher: blast or whatever in the tool tip… Why? I’ve never asked this or looked into this before

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So solo queue is lb/xx or gs/xx whichever works. Qq aside I have a stupid question to ask.
Wtf is a fire field and/or a combo? I’ve noticed skills have combo finisher: blast or whatever in the tool tip… Why? I’ve never asked this or looked into this before

Fire Field is a type of ‘Field’ that ‘Finishers’ can utilize for additional effects. Fire specifically can add burning to your projectiles, grant a Flame Aura when you leap through it, or if you Blast into it, grant Might.

This is what makes Combustive Shot, I dare say the most potent thing a Warrior can do on a point.

So what’s an example of executing it? Pop the field then spam dmg inside it to pop buffs or?

You simply need to lay the field down at a location of your best judgement, and under the tooltips for your skills and utilities you can see what ‘Combo Finishers’ they can perform.

The finisher will always proc the field when the effect of the attack goes off within it, for instance Earthshaker can start off the field and land inside it to perform its Blast Finish.

Projectile Finishers can be different though, some have percentages when they proc and others are always proccing.

So, as a warrior whay you’re gonna use the most is firefield -> arcing arrow -> get might -> profit.
This combo can be done with LB alone, you also have cross weapon combos like firefield into earthshaker, firefield into call to arms and firefield into savage leap. Those are the most commonly used warriors combos.

You also have pin down and smoldering arrow through firefield to add an little bit of extra burning damage.
If you want to see how GS/LB plays, you can watch this :
http://www.twitch.tv/tarcisanastasis/v/9114941

That would explain why I’m so poor on my dd ele, never combining fire fielda. Awesome I’ll try this on my warr to say thanks guys il check that link out also ty

im all about Hammer X/shield. sure it’s got weaknesses, but I’ve never minded being a specialist. plus none of my pals play bunker so when we que we need that dude withthe clerics amulet and the soldier runes.

if I want deeps i just play engineer and stack those burns.

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What build is that sniper one…? Tbh I don’t find Mesmer fun at all so I deleted it and made a necro, which is more enjoyable. I only liked vs/staff on Mesmer wasn’t a fan of sword build… Do love my warrior the most, in pve also I enjoy it and in wvw. It’s very versatile imo. Mesmer I find I play the same build almost across the board. Ele varies very slightly but not by much. Engi is tweaked a little here and there and my necro is almost the same

Here’s what I run
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBkYDbkpDa8w+OwKE4ExwPQZPQA0A3bkCVvW4dfZA-TpRBABbcEAM+CAcxBBgm9HIrMAAPAAA

Most run Rifle/GS and the defensive line instead of arms.

Update

So I tried axe shield and gs which worked ok but overall just wasn’t good enough vs most classes. Gs and lb was very fun however, again not really as good as other classes but I still found it extremely fun to play, was enjoyable

Have noticed I only really enjoy engi, necro and warrior these days, seem to find engi rampage works a lot nicer than my warriors though hahahaha.

So seems gs lb is working best for me so far

for those talking about rifle war

are you even serious?

like really…hotjoin is the only place were rifle would actually work…

war in high tier pvp is garbage, is not tanky anymore, anyone can dodge hammer…if running hambow you have crap mobility and most telegraphed skills in the game, hammer/gs is only melee with marauder amulet (Aka as soon as you’re out of endure pain you’re dead) and still not gonna get anyone playing at a decent level with hammerstuns, ppl can blindspam you all day long…you can have 3 gs/hammer wars going on target that only one plague is gonna disable everything, moa on an already nerfed rampage, they made shout worse than crap and eles can just laugh at you while sitting on earth getting no crits, mesmers can trollkite you around 24/7 while they keep applying pressure on you, you have no team support, you won’t burst as hard as a thief or mes, you can’t roam as fast as an ele, you don’t have nearly as much condi pressure as any celestial bs spec while being also more squishy, you don’t have istant or long range gap closers to chase targets (You just run after them like a freakin reterd), you don’t have nearly as much boon access as other meta specs, let alone active condi cleanses, healing, vigor, regen, viable blocks without losing a ton of damage and on and on and on…

before nerf war was all about rampage (Still have to run it along with hs active otherwise you are just gonna be the special guest into the blindspam party of doom, so you have to try to down something before resistance had gone cause after that you gonna get nothing anyway)…now after rampage nerf is not even that cause 15 secs rampage on 144 secs cd is not worth anymore, being good for 15 secs every 144 and then all you can do is to kite around trying not to get ganked hard hoping for something to go down before you so you can cleave (That is the only thing you’re decent at when outside rampage…if you still have your stab up ofc) is definately not enough to make anyone with a proper brain getting a war in team instead of another esymode celestial

even if i main war and i would like to be able to effectively play it i can objectively say that i wouldn’t run ANY war spec in any decent teamcomp atm…this meta is not for wars, simple as that