Guild Wars 2

With the recent changes to berserker they can do some great things, burning is fantastic, gunflame is fantastic, I really appreciate these two things along with some of those minor trait changes (which are definately for the better), even though I still play mine, warrior is just not a good competitive option since they suffer from too many problems:

SHOEHORNED TRAITLINES AND UTILITIES:

This has been disucssed so many times so I’ll probably sound like a broken record, but I don’t think I’ve seen another profession so shoehorned into taking so many things just to be “ok.” Defense and Disipline are absolutely mandatory if you want even remotely the same survivability as other professions, two entire traitlines for very specific trait choices. Same goes for utilities, when I fight a necro for example, I see different things. Perhaps he is running signets, or minions, perhaps this guardian is running all traps or all meditations, or a mix. Every single “good” warrior is going to be bringing endure pain and berserker’s stance, regardless of what build you’re running. Power, Condi, it doesn’t matter. back then you could run all banners or shouts without the fear of being squishy, you can’t do that anymore.

NOBODY IS PLAYING BERSERKER WITH REAL SUCCESS

I have fun with mine no doubt, but go to this link: http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

Notice something odd here? It’s november now and not a single viable berserker build is on metabattle, it remains the only elite spec to not have a viable build in any tier. Even daredevil has builds in the great category. Even Tarcis, a dedicated warrior main, is playing Herald in actual competitive, the first competitive tournament since HoT launched ans 0 berserkers were played. You see the problem here?

BERSERKER UTILITIES ARE MOSTLY LACKLUSTER

I actually like Outrage and Headbutt, the rest seem very lackluster for an elite spec. I’m not here to slam on other elite specs, but really think about it. Dragonhunters get traps for cc and good damage, chronos get wells that grant AOE evasion (very useful), Herald gets constant AOE might, swiftness,

Shattering Blow, a few stacks of bleeding with mediocre damage, Sundering Leap, medicore damage, Wild Blow is fun, but you’d have to give up a stance or outrage so it just isn’t worth it right now. These utilities seem very baisc and underwhelming for someone who just wants to go angry and do good damage.

As much as I’ve talked down on berserker, I do love the playstyle and feel it has potential, but right now warrior in general is being labeled as the “noob” class which is really not deserved when other professions have to put in less effort to do your job better and have more build options. If warrior is going to be labeled a the beginner faceroll class, at least make it good, which it isn’t.

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I don’t think that Anet devs get that damage is not the problem for warriors, its the kittening sustain. Warrior drops like flies against some of the OP specs, melts like ice under conditions when zerker stance runs out. With no access to protection and superspeed and the constant need to be in melee range has ruined the warrior.

BUFF WARRIOR SUSTAIN, NOT DAMAGE. Give us PROTECTION and SUPERSPEED since most of the builds requires us to be melee range AND kitten FIX THE BUGS so that the skills actually hit.

Give berserker mode longer cd (30 as you can trait it for 24) and unlink it connection to adrenaline.. Then give 50% dmg reduction during berserk mode to both power and condi dmg. Yeah that would be gut.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

BUFF WARRIOR SUSTAIN, NOT DAMAGE. Give us PROTECTION and SUPERSPEED since most of the builds requires us to be melee range AND kitten FIX THE BUGS so that the skills actually hit.

Herald is exacly what Berserker should’ve been… I mean it has everything that Warrior is lacking.

Morwath.9817:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

BUFF WARRIOR SUSTAIN, NOT DAMAGE. Give us PROTECTION and SUPERSPEED since most of the builds requires us to be melee range AND kitten FIX THE BUGS so that the skills actually hit.

Herald is exacly what Berserker should’ve been… I mean it has everything that Warrior is lacking.

only for 3.3k hp less

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

BUFF WARRIOR SUSTAIN, NOT DAMAGE. Give us PROTECTION and SUPERSPEED since most of the builds requires us to be melee range AND kitten FIX THE BUGS so that the skills actually hit.

Herald is exacly what Berserker should’ve been… I mean it has everything that Warrior is lacking.

only for 3.3k hp less

HP doesn’t matters when adept trait can give you +400 toughness… ;-)

add thieves to the list

Cynz.9437:

add thieves to the list

There probably are competitive builds for thieves, you just haven’t noticed any because they were perma stealthed so far!

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

BUFF WARRIOR SUSTAIN, NOT DAMAGE. Give us PROTECTION and SUPERSPEED since most of the builds requires us to be melee range AND kitten FIX THE BUGS so that the skills actually hit.

Herald is exacly what Berserker should’ve been… I mean it has everything that Warrior is lacking.

only for 3.3k hp less

HP doesn’t matters when adept trait can give you +400 toughness… ;-)

exactly, before one of the reason i use to justify warrior’s clunky, telegraphed skills etc was because warrior has highest armor and HP and the other highest armor class had lowest hp and the other highest HP class had light armor
but now with rev only been 3.3k hp away, things simply can’t be justified.

Morwath.9817:

Cynz.9437:

add thieves to the list

There probably are competitive builds for thieves, you just haven’t noticed any because they were perma stealthed so far!

man they are good at it then, i don’t see any in qualifier final

Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.

Cynz.9437:

Morwath.9817:

Cynz.9437:

add thieves to the list

There probably are competitive builds for thieves, you just haven’t noticed any because they were perma stealthed so far!

man they are good at it then, i don’t see any in qualifier final

…but there was Toker in Monthly Final… however I believe Toker still would be MVP if thief could only throw potatoes at enemies…

Nier.8741:

Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.

No, no. Warrior needs buffs to sustain.
There is nothing more horrible than unblockables etc.

Nier.8741:

Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.

Numbers won’t do anything. Most of the time you can’t even land anything due to absurd amount of invuls/blocks/prot/blinds/CC etc.

Not to mention thief himself just gets 1-2 shotted by everything. Also… revealed, revealed everywhere…. which oh so smart person thought it was good idea to add so much AOE!!!!!! revealed to game.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

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I’ll just keep bumping these threads until I see a response from devs.

Harvey.7820:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

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I’ll just keep bumping these threads until I see a response from devs.

+1 this lol

We gotta keep it consistant and in their face until they’re as tired of it as we are.

DrDivine.5378:

Harvey.7820:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

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I’ll just keep bumping these threads until I see a response from devs.

+1 this lol

We gotta keep it consistant and in their face until they’re as tired of it as we are.

more like we will get all banned from forums before that happens

Anet “buff” timeline is way too long and there is far too much work to be done on war to make it competitive again.

My advice to warriors reroll a Revenant. Its everything a warrior should be and much much more.

Thats what i did. Tomes of Knowledge plus one day in Maguuma getting Hero Points and I’m ready to go. (warrior was my second level 80 and the one with the most hours on it).

but hey, heres a bump on the thread for ya.

I’ve been having my kitten handed to me by warriors pretty much all day tbh.

inb4 learn2play

Rogue Potato.4723:

I’ve been having my kitten handed to me by warriors pretty much all day tbh.

inb4 learn2play

Yeah it’s a l2p issue, just look at the professional players playing warrior in tournaments and how many berserker builds are on metabattle, oh wait.

teef is real strong right now, ya’ll are cray

Also some of these warrior suggestion miss the mark like a hambow vs players with eyes

Warrior needs an overhaul. The difficulty of landing hits vs the reward needs to stay, it’s just their defenses need something. It’s too easy to pick them apart, but passive sustain isn’t the answer.

Here’s 2 interesting trait ideas (come at me forums)

- player has 1000 increased armour when not attacking (rousing resilience revamp – stow weapon anyone?)
- Quckness is 100% more effective while in berserk mode (back to the glory days…)

I’ve pretty much given up on PvP in this game. I really hope you guys succeed in getting brought up to everyone else’s level. Anet should probably just delete Thief though.

Phaeton.9582:

teef is real strong right now, ya’ll are cray

Also some of these warrior suggestion miss the mark like a hambow vs players with eyes

Warrior needs an overhaul. The difficulty of landing hits vs the reward needs to stay, it’s just their defenses need something. It’s too easy to pick them apart, but passive sustain isn’t the answer.

Here’s 2 interesting trait ideas (come at me forums)

- player has 1000 increased armour when not attacking (rousing resilience revamp – stow weapon anyone?)
- Quckness is 100% more effective while in berserk mode (back to the glory days…)

The sad thing is, beta testers were throwing the red flags for berserker and warrior itself on the forums, but the other professions seemed to get more fixes and buffs. Now look where we are.

Warriors basically have nothing unique anymore, except to get a 6th skill attack once you get enough momentum. The trait lines are horribly jumbled up, Berserker still outclassed by conditions, and you’ll be mostly dead before you are able to engage on anymore, and then they can use their many escape tools to just get away and finish you off.

so yeah, warriors need help. I can’t comment on thieves since I don’t play one, but I agree, they need help too

Nier.8741:

Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.

Needs more of a rehaul and several baselines, then moving traits, then getting new traits. After that we need weapons looked at as some are clearly outclassed and GARBAGE. Once thats done, I’d like our utilities fixed, heals evened out, and some good friggin elites. But ye, mentality as quoted will be what Anet does “Oh shut up stupid Thief players, take this 4% damage buff to heartseeker. enjoy…”. Not mad at you mr.quotee, but… dead wrong. Warrior and Thief need SO much help. Good players make it work, average/new players are CRUSHED. I know a few new players who rolled thief didn’t make it one week. Still have em on my follower list, haven’t logged in since. I have some from Dec 10th as well. Warriors stay usually. Says something? Of course, I could be making this up I guess. It is the internet o.o

Ok I am no warrior expert but I remember my Eviscerates was hitting like 7K before specialization patch but now I can’ t exceed 5K, was it so OP to be nerfed that much?

I mean it has such big telegraph but hits like wet noodle.

So if I can land eviscerate and GS2 I can deal around 12K damage but this is a big if even with that damage, I am useless next 8s because all the rest hits like wet noodle also.

12K damage every 8s isn’t little bit pathetic? A Mesmer also has burst cycles but it can instagib somebody in his burst cycle ´, with Warrior you deal 12K and you say now what? Off course you can cheese rampage every 100s or but does Warrior hsa to suck because of Rampage?