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Warriors...
Class and spec please?
I wasn’t aware warriors had the best tank spec in fact this is the first time I’ve heard that said.
l2p your class :P
Every class has had someone scream nerf at them, warriors are one of the few who are balanced, and most people agree.
Warriors are actually under powered in most aspects which people assume means theyre balanced…most warriors run the same ol glass cannon spec hoping to kill you with 100b + bulls rush/bola/zerk and pray u dont dodge at any point (imo its the worst spec for warriors in game but keep running it i enjoy killing them)
But the only way a warrior is running a Bunker build is if hes using (imo) mace+ shield with traits in toughness for the shield skill CDR and heal traits for shout heals…if thats the case if hes still out dpsing you…u have a horrible build =/
Warriors are pretty well balanced. If anything they are a little too good for killing noobs and a little underpowered for more organized pvp where they struggle to get into teams.
l2p your class :P
Every class has had someone scream nerf at them, warriors are one of the few who are balanced, and most people agree.
Warriors are one of the few who are balanced, and most warriors agree.
I actully think that’s what you ment.
Actually its not.
Anet stated that warriors are what all the other classes will be balanced around, and that they are very happy with them.
Wouldnt know anyway, I play a thief and they seem fine to me, reaction to them on the forums seems ok. Just going by what I have noticed.
EDIT: Sadface he deleted his post
You obviously don’t do much tPVP, where warriors often struggle to get into a team.
Warriors are good at slaughtering noobs, not so great at tPVP.
All bunker builds need a good review.
EDIT: Sadface he deleted his post
Deleted it due to deciding to not want to get into antother warrior OP/UP thread – you posted while i was removing it.
Zarturo: Elemental – Desolation.
They may well be balanced..it’s just ashame being balanced means you’re ineffective.
The bunkers were an elementalist first. Between his mist form/shields/ traits/ kicking in and knockdowns (dagger/scep i assume) he could pretty much heal himself up non stop, and seemed to never get snared and have alot of stability. In the end I just left. I was never going to win. In fact his mist form came up twice, that’s how long the fight went on.m If he had chased me off his point he would have finished me.
A necro, so many conditions. He could just kite around, drop marks etc, deathshroud/fear. It was laughable. I had one whole condition removal ability on a 30 sec timer. Honestly….it;s replaced almost instantly with another condition.
Engineer…wow, between the constant damage from bombs/mines and his ability to kite and heal yet be very resistant to damage. Quite an impressive class to point hold.
I really couldn’t see any point in a warrior in spvp. I didn’t say they had a tank spec, warriors don’t have any such thing. Everyone can dodge/negate hbs now. Condition damage is so prevalent heavy armour counts for little in defence. I keep finding guardians running round doing equal damage to mine yet are 10x harder to bring down in some cases.
Disagree with me, but I rarely see warriors even in hot join anymore. Just the same old cookie cutter specs for all the other classes.
There has to be a trade off for having to get into melee range to do any damage when pretty much every class you come up against can do ranged attacks whilst moving, drop aoes everywhere and just run back and forth through them whilst you shuffle round snared/chilled trying to get in 130 units to land a weapon swing. Oh yes you can spec for some more mobility/defence, but your ability to topple anything is 0.
People think warriors are fine because they’re not really any sort of threat to them.
It’s like all the classes had abilities designed to get away/stop melee from hitting them.
I’m sure i’ll get warriors who hot joined and have fought some baddy eles or engineers and will tell me how easy they found it. But whatever.
Phaeris-
dude I completely misread your post maybe others did too. You seemed to be complaining about defensive warriors but you’re actually complaining about fightings bunker builds as a warrior. Self face palm I hope others made the same mistake because your title paired with the way your OP read confused the kitten out of me.
phaeris.7604
I played warrior when the game came out, now 100B max damage is 700 even if you set your traits to max on arms and dis and power!
But its okay to take a back stab for 20K!
kitten A NET!
The Warrior was likely using the Taugrim’s Captain Hammer build. It is one of the most viable Warrior builds, but most Warrior’s still run glass cannon builds.
http://taugrim.com/2012/09/01/guild-wars-2-pvp-video-captain-hammer-warrior-ep-3/
phaeris.7604
I played warrior when the game came out, now 100B max damage is 700 even if you set your traits to max on arms and dis and power!
But its okay to take a back stab for 20K!
kitten A NET!
Backstab for 20k is impossible under normal circumstances. Maybe if a Backstab speced Thief gets a Warrior who just used Frenzy or has 3 orbs of power, max bloodlust stacks, tons of might stacks, and the target is stacked with vulnerability.
warriors are one of the few who are balanced, and most people agree.
If by balanced you mean “excellent for jumping noobs in hot join” then I agree, but the difficulty Warriors have finding groups in tPvP is evidence of their current lack of balance. If Warrior can do something, chances are another class can do it better. But that’s ok, I’ve switched to Guardian (like a lot of people it seems), I use my Warrior now for jumping noobs in hot join occasionally.
warriors are one of the few who are balanced, and most people agree.
If by balanced you mean “excellent for jumping noobs in hot join” then I agree, but the difficulty Warriors have finding groups in tPvP is evidence of their current lack of balance. If Warrior can do something, chances are another class can do it better. But that’s ok, I’ve switched to Guardian (like a lot of people it seems), I use my Warrior now for jumping noobs in hot join occasionally.
Well, look on the bright side. At least you’re not a ranger. Those guys are really sad right now.
But yeah I agree war is a little too good at jumping hot join noobs and not quite good enough in tPvP with organized groups.
The Warrior was likely using the Taugrim’s Captain Hammer build. It is one of the most viable Warrior builds, but most Warrior’s still run glass cannon builds.
http://taugrim.com/2012/09/01/guild-wars-2-pvp-video-captain-hammer-warrior-ep-3/
Not viable at all. I could tank 2 people way longer than this guy ever did on my Necro. Make that 3 if I have plague up.
Going point holder Warrior is the same thing as point holder Thief. In other words, its not going to work. Just like a Necro roaming, that doesn’t work either.
Roaming with a Warrior isn’t all that bad to be honest. Just that every simpleton on this forums believes that Bulls Charge + Frenzy is the end-all be-all build for Warrior that no other build is viable.
Eh warrior bunker isn’t AWFUL but it definitely isn’t as good as the bunker classes you normally think of (guardian, necro, engi, ele).
Its work-able but whats the point when you put more to the table as a roamer? And not the simple minded one. The one that actually does work.
Yesterday a spec to a power/crit build just to check something on my ranger.
I was is the middle point of Forest of Niflhel, (the plataform) free casting to a warrior tank, i cant even damage him. I pop elite, nothing. :S
The warrior just stand there laughing…
Nice balance…………………………………………………….
The Warrior was likely using the Taugrim’s Captain Hammer build. It is one of the most viable Warrior builds, but most Warrior’s still run glass cannon builds.
http://taugrim.com/2012/09/01/guild-wars-2-pvp-video-captain-hammer-warrior-ep-3/
Not viable at all. I could tank 2 people way longer than this guy ever did on my Necro. Make that 3 if I have plague up.
Going point holder Warrior is the same thing as point holder Thief. In other words, its not going to work. Just like a Necro roaming, that doesn’t work either.
Roaming with a Warrior isn’t all that bad to be honest. Just that every simpleton on this forums believes that Bulls Charge + Frenzy is the end-all be-all build for Warrior that no other build is viable.
That spec is viable. It may not be the best tanky spec in the game, but it doesn’t mean it is worthless either. Of course you are better off with a Guardian or something on point, but I was pointing out what spec it could have been.
So when is that spec actually ever effective? When your roamer camps your point?
I think alot of you misread what i typed.
I was playing as a warrior trying to take point from other classes set up as bunker builds.
Warriors can’t bunker at all. A 1v1 is tough enough as a warrior, a 2v1 is impossible, no matter how good you are. If the other two players arn’t morons you will fall over in no time at all.
Roaming is the only thing a warrior can do, but once you reach a point what then? You can’t beat a bunker so what then?
If I said you had to bring in one more class to your tpvp team, and it was a highly skilled warrior, or a mediocre mesmer, which would you pick?
/sigh Not even going to bother. lol
Warriors aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. Yes, they probably have some issues that need to be addressed, but they aren’t that bad. The perception that they are so bad comes from the fact that team size is limited and other professions can do a Warriors job a little better. It doesn’t mean they are some horrible kittened class incapable of playing on any team worth anything.
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You play a thief. I’d be happy with the way warriors are too if I didn’t play a warrior.
Would you take a warrior over any other profession in a 5v5?
I don’t only play a Thief. I played a Warrior and Elementalist almost exclusively through the beta. I just happen to be focusing on Thief at the moment. I also played pretty much every class up to at least level 20-30 and have played all of them a decent amount in sPvP and some in tPvP.
I didn’t say Warriors were fine, I just said they aren’t as bad as people make them out to be. Anet does think they are in a good place though so good luck changing that.
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By the way, before the game came out everyone on these forums (during betas) and guild wars 2 guru forums swore up and down Warrior was Anets pet class and they were the most overpowered thing ever seen in a MMO. We see how right those people were. Maybe the forums aren’t a good place to get your ideas on class balance. Better to learn from experience.
As everyone here as already stated warriors are great at spvp and bad in tpvp where Guards do the same job only better. Right now I dont understand why every tPvP team isnt 2 Mes, 2 Guard and a Thief.
I main a warrior and I’m always trying to experiment new stuff with him, whenever is weapons combinations, traits or whatever else there is to do. The problem with the warrior is not as huge as people make it sound, the problem with the warrior is that they are balanced in every way, making the other classes who aren’t get an edge on us easily. Now let me explain what I mean.
Say I spec my warrior to be a “tank/bunker” if you go with healing shouts, weapon and shield and play it correctly, you will survive a long time but your damage output will be garbage. This is what you expect of a bunker, at least in most games this is how you balance them. Now we put a bunker guardian on the other hand. He doesn’t need to use a shield leave him with a GS as he gets traits that benefit 2 handed weapon even in the defensive tree. Give him healing meditations what do you get? Same tanking power BUT he still deals enough damage to pair a balance warrior or even out dps him and he does it on multiple targets at once while constantly healing and buffing allies. Use healing signet you go from 20% hp to full no problem. Use your meditations and deal conditions + heal conditions + heal allies and still get your hp full again, by the time you need to heal again signed will be ready for you. Mind you regardless of specs and choices you still get many passive bonus upon yourself. Now how is that fair?
Let’s go to another class, the thief. Spec full defense condition damage thief. He will keep self healing while placing conditions on you. His damage is garbage yes, but the conditions stack so fast they deal all the damage he needs while he heals himself and stealth when needed. Now let’s take a look at a condition damage warrior, sword or maybe rifle. We put a bleed on enemies with 3rd sword hit…can deal 10% more damage to bleeding enemies, now in a bunker build with sword that means like 30 -60 more damage? Our bleed stacking is so slow one can cure it and never see the bleeding do anything. If you go for a crit build you might put a bleed 2 two more. But again so slow it won’t help you much.
Now here is the main problem with warriors and all classes. Spec glass cannon in anything other than a back stab thief or maybe a mesmer and you will be crushed. Spec Balance builds and everything will go sort of ok until you meet a bunker. Spec bunker and win against everything except other bunkers. Now you may say that’s when team work comes in, but I thought team work was meant to be something like sharing buffs and curing each other conditions along with making combos, not teaming 3 v 1 to take down a guardian or mesmer.
Now warrior does all that, but if he does why is he so frown upon? Simple, guardians do all that while packing more fire power, free buffs and healing. Elementalist? Same story, if you learn to dance with your elements you be lol’ing at almost everything. Now that is great cause it requires actual skill which is the same as the warrior, with actual skill the warrior could shine if it wasn’t because the numbers play against him.
Let’s leave aside the mesmer who can pack a punch as any build, confuse the real player behind the character and deal both condition damage and burst damage.
Another problem with the warrior is their main mechanic. Burst, while guardians’s virtues give them free buffs and heals, elementalist elements give them a situation advantage by switching elements, thief stealth make them lethal and confusing and so on the list goes… Warriors burst does nothing. Burst with a rifle you see the kind of numbers you would expect from a burst. Now burst with a sword, laughable easy to dodge damage, mace? IT STUNS if it hits…does it hit? Rarely, even in pve high lvl areas have mobs that can counter the mace burst easily. Hammer? It stuns!!! AND IS AOE!!! But…only if it hits, the long animation means you can walk off the aoe area…not even dodge just walk…even moving pve mobs can dodge it.