We already had a burst meta.

We already had a burst meta.

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Posted by: Nova Stiker.8396

Nova Stiker.8396

It was just a battle of cooldowns, Obsidian Flesh vs. Gear Shield, Endure Pain vs. Renewed Focus.

I really hope ArenaNet knows what they are doing. Freaking out about the buff to necro scepter? It’s very possible the necro will be thrown into a CC tornado and dies in 4 seconds before he can even hit his 2nd auto chain. With the removal of a lot of defensive amulets, a lot of people will turn to glassy builds. Kill your opponent before he kills you.

It really wasn’t much better when you feel like you lost because your invulnerability skills doesn’t recharge as fast as others.


This is why I stated GW2 needs a rock-paper-scissor structured PvP system balance because it’s very hard for one play style to not completely dominate the meta.

- Bunker out sustains spike.
- Spike out damages pressure.
- Pressure overwhelms bunker.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

Your rock paper scissors thing only works if the bunkers are able to be killed, and right now they aren’t. They need toned down. You can still run a dolyak rune cavs shield warrior (or whatever, insert beefcake) if you want an anchor for your other roles.

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Posted by: alain.1659

alain.1659

Heh everyone thinks that necro scepter will be op. They will be surprised.

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Posted by: Areopag.8749

Areopag.8749

Well, even if this is a battle of cooldowns, I think it will make more fun, than just camping for like 15mins on 1 point with gamescore: 0-0

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

I’ll take a burst meta over a bunker meta any day.

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Posted by: rchu.8945

rchu.8945

I’ll take a burst meta over a bunker meta any day.

sure, if the burst role is able to be filled other than thieves, why not. But we all know the history from before…

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Posted by: Nova Stiker.8396

Nova Stiker.8396

I’ll take a burst meta over a bunker meta any day.

sure, if the burst role is able to be filled other than thieves, why not. But we all know the history from before…

Actually, thieves don’t have it much better. It was a battle of invulnerability skills, so for 4-5 seconds the thief had to run, evade everything or endure whatever burst the target has.

Keep in mind, the thief will pretty much be 2-3 shotted. Sooooo… once again it was pretty frustrating.

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

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In most situations, a 2v2 with a guardian and warrior (for instance) vs any other class + thief, the side with the thief would consistently lose assuming similar levels of coordination and skill. Thief was always a backcapper/+1er and decent at best in a 1v1 vs players who knew what to look out for. Only reason zerk thief was meta vs a zerk anything else was because thief also brought mobility which was too valuable in conquest.

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Posted by: Quaman.9167

Quaman.9167

Im sure some classes will still go for a more tanky build. Necromancer for example does 4k damage to himself by using traited corrupt boon every 26 seconds. With a 10 second Cd when traited, he would be using it way more often, so chances are necro’s are gonna be taking carrion or mercenary so they have more health they can burn through.

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Posted by: Nova Stiker.8396

Nova Stiker.8396

Im sure some classes will still go for a more tanky build. Necromancer for example does 4k damage to himself by using traited corrupt boon every 26 seconds. With a 10 second Cd when traited, he would be using it way more often, so chances are necro’s are gonna be taking carrion or mercenary so they have more health they can burn through.

That’s assuming they get life force to spare. Players had no problem melting through 25k health in a fraction of a second, getting full life force was nearly impossible unless you exploit maps like Khylo.

It wasn’t till the cele meta you’d ran into power necros.

If the meta shifts towards glass, when you have 5 players running quick, high damage. Necromancers WILL become the weakest class. Unable to generate a healthy amount of life force to stay alive.

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Posted by: brannigan.9831

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I’ll take a burst meta over a bunker meta any day.

sure, if the burst role is able to be filled other than thieves, why not. But we all know the history from before…

Medi Guardian was the counter at the time. You can’t just say this or that the meta needs to be changed its garbage. There are like four classes that can compete and really its like three: chrono, tempest, and herald. This current meta is indefensible on any level.

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Posted by: Stalefish.7615

Stalefish.7615

Bunker right now need to be toned down, no one is arguing otherwise. But this seems not to be a nerf to bring back in place, this patch is a witchhunt to eradicate all and every single bunker build there is. Burst cc power meta gets boring fast, bunker meta gets boring fast, endless condition meta gets boring fast, ANY meta where everyone is running same thing is boring. the only meta that can ever truly be amazing is one where bunkers, burst, sustain, condi and support all thrive so all classes can bring diversity and prosper to a fight.

Overreacting and going from one meta to another with an oversized nerfbat and WAY oversized buffbat is just playing pingpong with the PvP community. Getting a new meta is fun for a very short time, then it enevitable get boring. What should be celebrated is frequent and minor but brave changes.

Something tells me though that ANET simply lacks the resources too deliver what is needed to stabilise a long term fun for all meta, where one can play what you and as long as you are good enough at your own build: Youll be your own and viable meta!

All of you, ANET, writers on this forum, never forget that all that really matters is long term. Think bigger

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

this patch is a witchhunt to eradicate all and every single bunker build there is.

Ok, over dramatic much?

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

There wont be a burst meta with thieves, mesmers and guards roaming around. People will still be forced to use sustain+power builds.

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Posted by: Impact.2780

Impact.2780

There will still be bunkers... The stats are just being balanced in light of the sustain, healing, cc and evasion classes now have. As for already having had a burst meta, firstly, I highly doubt we will have another now, secondly, would you really prefer a bunker meta? Actually I shouldn’t ask because it doesn’t matter; the majority of players hated it, ANet didn’t intend for it, and it’s bad for the competitive scene both for fun and esports. Thirdly, so what if there is a burst meta? Not everyone currently playing was here for it last time, so it’ll be a new meta for a lot of players, and with new builds anyway.

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